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9 minutes ago, ding said:

This is where the AFL should institute a rule that says the average per year is what cold be matched. It its 5 years for 600k AVERAGE per year, that is what clubs should be allowed to match, not the heavily front ended number. If another club will pay 600 per year for 5 years............

Rule worth considering imo. 

He would have been nice, but we dont need him.

My understand that is the rule.

I also believe that what the player demands is what has to go into the cap but not actually what they have to sign for.

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32 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Has put his contract demands at 5 years, $1mil for the first year.

We haven't even met with him.

 

LOL

Carlton have lost the plot.  I wouldnt pay him more than 400k

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That’s a lot of $$’s Carlscum, but no doubt VISY can find some spare paperbags...

i doubt any GC$ player is worth anywhere near that price. 
 

Hate Carlscum always....

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On 11/10/2019 at 1:55 PM, Bates Mate said:

I heard from someone in the know at Carlton that they will front load at 800k for the first year and offer a five year deal.

 

He is not coming to us.

interesting if the AFL don't see that as draft tampering. within the rules but not at all what the draft is about. 

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gold coast well and truly shafted by carlscum, who value martin so highly on a contract basis but not on a trade basis

only hope is gold coast match his demand just to prove a point. afl can back them with a little help somewhere.

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22 minutes ago, Bay Riffin said:

interesting if the AFL don't see that as draft tampering. within the rules but not at all what the draft is about. 

Carlton have too much influence at HQ. Libba admitted Carlton tanked and there was crickets from HQ.

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25 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

gold coast well and truly shafted by carlscum, who value martin so highly on a contract basis but not on a trade basis

only hope is gold coast match his demand just to prove a point. afl can back them with a little help somewhere.

The source I have at Carlton mentioned this is the only thing they are concerned about as Tony Cochrane is an unpredictable unit

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so its a mill year one  then 500k next 4 years 

so 3 mill over 5 

600k per year 

is he worth 600k ??

for me its a yes , he would be locked in for 5 years 

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1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

gold coast well and truly shafted by carlscum, who value martin so highly on a contract basis but not on a trade basis

only hope is gold coast match his demand just to prove a point. afl can back them with a little help somewhere.

If I were GCS I would match $ and draft Martin to send a clear signal to rival clubs to deal a fair trade if they want to lure a player. 

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1 hour ago, Win4theAges said:

Close thread, he's not interested in coming, this all makes me sick.

Nah ... keep open until the PSD. 

 I was surprised that Martin nominated $1m and a 5 year contract, albeit averaging $600kpa over the full term which suggests that these terms are acceptable to Carlton. They’re placing a lot of store on their ability to turn him into a consistently good performer across what will virtually be the remainder of his career. 

So far, it’s been very unremarkable for someone who selected first in the 2012 special Mini Draft and was considered the best young player in the country at the time.
 

 

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I don't understand why people think this is crazy money. Surely, he is worth around 600k per season?

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3 minutes ago, WAClark said:

I don't understand why people think this is crazy money. Surely, he is worth around 600k per season?

Problem is they have front loaded $400k onto the first year to scare GC and us off.

Not sure if he is a DFA or a RFA but if GC are allowed to match, I would laugh if they did and then see what happens.

They could keep him for a year and then trade him, or delist him and get compo, either way being better off than losing him for nothing, as it currently stands.

If he gets to the blue scum, nothing personal against him, but I hope it is a monumental bust.

 

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5 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Problem is they have front loaded $400k onto the first year to scare GC and us off.

Not sure if he is a DFA or a RFA but if GC are allowed to match, I would laugh if they did and then see what happens.

They could keep him for a year and then trade him, or delist him and get compo, either way being better off than losing him for nothing, as it currently stands.

If he gets to the blue scum, nothing personal against him, but I hope it is a monumental bust.

 

GC17 aren’t going to stump up $1m for a reluctant player for a one year term.

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6 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

What a [censored] , happy to see him go to Carlton and chew up their salary. Absolutely no where near worth the money he is demanding.

Pretty immature reaction.

Don't think someone setting his wage requirements and preferred place of employment, which he is within his rights to do in this circumstance, requires strangers to make personal comments about him on the internet.

But welcome to 2019 I guess.

 

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2 hours ago, Blistering said:

GC17 aren’t going to stump up $1m for a reluctant player for a one year term.

If he becomes a FA (think hed have been at gc long enough, or maybe he'd need 2 more) after that year it'd be well worth the compo pick they'd get if he left to Carltank. Probably band 1 the way the AFL work. 

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Carlton and Martin are being smart.

Can't understand why we didn't do the same thing with Langdon tbh.

It's one of the few advantages you get after a disaster year and in a way it is the obverse advantage to that which the destination clubs enjoy with the powerful free agents.

Don't feel sorry for GC... they will keep receiving priority picks and money until they are successful.

Meanwhile .. us.. well we know what we get.

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3 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Carlton and Martin are being smart.

Can't understand why we didn't do the same thing with Langdon tbh.

It's one of the few advantages you get after a disaster year and in a way it is the obverse advantage to that which the destination clubs enjoy with the powerful free agents.

Don't feel sorry for GC... they will keep receiving priority picks and money until they are successful.

Meanwhile .. us.. well we know what we get.

Carlton will get a bad reputation to deal with in the future, at least clubs know if a player nominates us we have the reputation of getting deals done, players might be reluctant to nominate Carlton in the future because of it, Carlton didn’t want to give up pick 9 yet the the contract they are giving him would suggest he is worth every bit of pick 9 

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11 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Carlton and Martin are being smart.

Can't understand why we didn't do the same thing with Langdon tbh.

It's one of the few advantages you get after a disaster year and in a way it is the obverse advantage to that which the destination clubs enjoy with the powerful free agents.

Don't feel sorry for GC... they will keep receiving priority picks and money until they are successful.

Meanwhile .. us.. well we know what we get.

You appear always to turn things into an opportunity to bag the MFC

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If we can fit the large first year salary into the cap (maybe a bit of Elliot money?), it means the remaining 4 years are probably $450-500k, which isn't too bad considering we're not trading anything for him. Big issue is how much space do we have in next year's cap? Happy to pay him whatever is left in the cap for next year as it would just be left unspent otherwise

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1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Carlton and Martin are being smart.

Can't understand why we didn't do the same thing with Langdon tbh.

It's one of the few advantages you get after a disaster year and in a way it is the obverse advantage to that which the destination clubs enjoy with the powerful free agents.

Don't feel sorry for GC... they will keep receiving priority picks and money until they are successful.

Meanwhile .. us.. well we know what we get.

teams will remember what Carlton did, especially GC who will have a nice crop of young top footballers wanting to leave the goldcoast in the next couple of years.

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44 minutes ago, whelan45 said:

If we can fit the large first year salary into the cap (maybe a bit of Elliot money?), it means the remaining 4 years are probably $450-500k, which isn't too bad considering we're not trading anything for him. Big issue is how much space do we have in next year's cap? Happy to pay him whatever is left in the cap for next year as it would just be left unspent otherwise

IF we were still set on getting Martin, we still have time to reload contracts to fit him in. $650k across 5 years isn't wildly extravagant in the current landscape, but the $1 million front end loading is. 

AFL.com article basically says the fact that we can still re-organise contracts means the door isn't totally shut on us, but GC is effectively ruled out:

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-11-11/jack-martin

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