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30 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Listened to it in its full context, he was on the money and he was cautious in his approach very much talking about the now, he was glowing in his future expectations of Clarrie and Gus

Yeah I obviously couldn't post the whole article, but I made sure I included that first bit about "they’re going to be fantastic in the history of that club". I think all of us still believe that, no matter how grumpy this year has made us.

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Oliver is this season becoming another example of an MFC stuff up.

Before you argue take a moment and think about it.

Oliver and Gawn are the kind you build teams around and we have......

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5 minutes ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

He’s right, except naming Oliver was wrong.

Yep if EVER Clayton Oliver was dropped from an MFC Team, then something is seriously, seriously wrong with this Club

Drop one of the very FEW that we have had as All Australians??? NOT IN A MILLION YEARS

If it ever were to happen See ya later MFC

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55 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Derm yes BUT HOW DO WE FIX IT!

We don't fix it. Clayton and Angus fix it. 

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55 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Derm yes BUT HOW DO WE FIX IT!

Yes.

Everyone* goes on about Melbourne failing to turn I50s into goals, but it's only Mick McGuane who has taken a stab at solving our probs.

* Everyone goes on about it belatedly. Our problem has been evident for two years, but donuts from the experts.

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Just now, Chook said:

We don't fix it. Clayton and Angus fix it. 

NO.. Correct and competent COACHING fixes it!

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7 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I wish we were downhill skiers. 

Yep...and we're not even flat track bullies.

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If Dermie could put a player into Hawks midfield for the next ten years it would be Clayton Oliver............he should be talking about how much manufactured muscle is going to be put into TWSNBN in the next six weeks to get them up and ready.......................

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19 minutes ago, willmoy said:

If Dermie could put a player into Hawks midfield for the next ten years it would be Clayton Oliver............he should be talking about how much manufactured muscle is going to be put into TWSNBN in the next six weeks to get them up and ready.......................

What

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I think Oliver's biggest issue is lack of awareness to lay a shepherd. The number of times in a game he delivers a handpass to a player under pressure that he could shepherd for, but doesn't, would be an interesting stat.

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5 minutes ago, FireInTheBelly said:

I think Oliver's biggest issue is lack of awareness to lay a shepherd. The number of times in a game he delivers a handpass to a player under pressure that he could shepherd for, but doesn't, would be an interesting stat.

this year clarrie is still averaging about the same possessions, tackles and contested possessions.......but i reckon his effectiveness and decision making is definitely down this year.......in his defence he seems to be tagged more (often illegally) and we must remember he had come off two shoulder operations which limited his pre-season

however, any talk of dropping him is just nonsensical

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1 hour ago, Earl Hood said:

Did they have any other insights? We know Gus is down on form but that doesn’t explain the fall down the ladder. I heard Plough say we have a good best 22 but lack depth so injuries hurt. 

Plough is the only media person who gets it.

Lack of fitness and team synergy as result of a third of the list having curtailed pre seasons. Injuries during tbe seaon. Rgese issues compounded by not having ggood depth (which is insurpriding given where we have come from - tbe only clubs with good deprh are those thst have bee n a round tge 8 for  decade, and gws).

This is the key cause of our issues in a nutshell. Not the only cause. And there is certainly the risk of the issues covering other ones. But none the less they are the key issues. 

Not rocket science and as I say plough is the only media person who I have heard be consistent on this.

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2 hours ago, rjay said:

Oliver tackles last week 6 week before 11...

I think he's keeping up his end of the bargain here.

He could run back defensively more though, he gets caught out on the counter punch a bit...

Composure is what he needs. 

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2 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

That doesn't answer anything.

Why should 'they' be dropped and who would you be dropping them for?

It doesn’t matter who you drop them for, because you’re dropping them to send a loud and clear message to improve.  That message is louder & clearer if you drop them for an obviously less talented player, but one that busts his guts and gives you all he’s got.  

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2 hours ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

Derm makes a fair point ! OK

However, he [censored] me because it’s always really just all about Derm 

What do you mean?

 

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9 minutes ago, goodwindees said:

It doesn’t matter who you drop them for, because you’re dropping them to send a loud and clear message to improve.  That message is louder & clearer if you drop them for an obviously less talented player, but one that busts his guts and gives you all he’s got.  

“Don’t do it again, alright...”

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My only gripe with Dermott is that he shouldve excluded James Harmes. Harmes is our most effective mid by ten miles, its not fair to throw him under the bus with the rest of these stat padders and handball happy panic merchants.

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2 hours ago, Mach5 said:

 

Without having listened to it, this was my first thought upon reading the excerpt - Clarry & Gus are world in progress. They’ll get there, but only an idiot would expect them to be the finished article at this stage.

and that is pretty much what Dermot was saying 

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10 hours ago, rjay said:

Oliver tackles last week 6 week before 11...

I think he's keeping up his end of the bargain here.

He could run back defensively more though, he gets caught out on the counter punch a bit...

Defensively he is awful. I'd rather him get 3 tackles but take 5 intercept marks, or lay 5 tackles in defensive 50, than lay 5 pointless tackles in congestion on a player who was never getting a clear possession to begin with.

IMO Hocking's comments re. tackling this week tie in with the type of tackling game Clarry and Co. produce. No impact on the game. Just a rugby scrum until the ball is knocked loose.

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11 hours ago, Tony Tea said:

Yes.

Everyone* goes on about Melbourne failing to turn I50s into goals, but it's only Mick McGuane who has taken a stab at solving our probs.

* Everyone goes on about it belatedly. Our problem has been evident for two years, but donuts from the experts.

Yes Tony

Reward for effort would make a big difference to the team psyche. We must fix our conversion rate. Its laughable to watch our F50 entrys . We keep passing the ball under increasing pressure commit far too many people to the ball then wonder why we are beaten on the rebound. Quite honestly is a sad, sad joke to watch the same crap every game. It must be fixed!

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Everyone on this site knows, but just won't say it....that we have been umpired out of the Games and the Finals, all because we criticize.....

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13 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

The article is about both players, so that's how I was framing my comments.

Thanks for your well thought out opinion though, always good to know which posters play the ball and which play the man.

Have a good one.

I find the ignore function blissful.

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