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And we'd have plenty of posters saying that despite sitting 2nd on the ladder we are shot, having lost 3 of our last 5 (which is Carlton's record in their last 5 games - with their two wins being against the 18th placed tigers and a lucky 19 point win over the 17th placed roos). The blues actually provide a good objectivity test case. Do posters think, with their record, that the blues are toast now?

On this, 5 day breaks are simply ridiculous (albeit helpful to my punting bank because their mpact is so predictable). Yet another example of the AFL putting profit ahead of running an elite competition.

The blues were clearly paddling from half way through the third. One goal in the second half, none in rhe last.

So you're actually helping the players with your critisism?

Punters have backed dees into favouritism:

Four, five if you count Jefferson: roo, kolt, disco, jeffo and Windsor. This is exactly why I like to lean into known facts rather than the where there's smoke palaver. Known fact #1 Mutiple players have recently recommitted to the MFC. Of the top of my head, that list includes: jeffo, roo chin, Petty, Windsor, the kolt, AMW (I think) and disco - and I'm probably missing some. Apply Occam's razor to the question of why so many players, particularly young guns who would def get picked up by other clubs, have decided their medium term future lies with dees. What is the answer?

Our drop in intercept marks is related to our changed method, ie greater focus on transition and turnover. And it is exacerbated by having o tracc, Gus and clarry not at his best as we are now often having even numbers at stoppages. In normal circumstances, even playing a turnover game, we have one less at stoppages and extra behind the ball - who takes intercept marks. And with our current mid situation we ate less effective at applying pressure to the oppo mids who win a clearance - pressure that would force a dump kick that creates a intercept mark opportunity.

Of course it wasn't nothing. Which is why he has been able to play as well as he has. Despite having a very limited preseason and having a badly broken hand that required surgery (that he is clearly still struggling with) Oliver has been our best mid this season. And that's also despite playing a different role - a defensive mid. A role that no doubt he is playing because of his limited preseason (because he doesn't have his breakaway speed and stamina). It must be so frustrating for clarry, a bloke used to being a walk up AA. He is working his guts out week on week out. Just look at him at the end of each quarter - he's spent. He knows he's not near his optimal condition and knows there is little he can do about that in season. Because he is so far off his peak condition he is often starting on the bench and is only playing 72% game time this season (I think the lowest of any regular best 22). He's working hard by all accounts on his wellbeing and off field stuff. Doing what is asked of him, including the things like the koz trip home. And on top of all of that had to put up with the peanut gallery in the media taking lazy pot shots - peanuts who are predominantly ex footballers who know all about fitness and preseasons, and so are simply gaslighting footy fans. Wouldn't it be great if clarry, who by all accounts is a really nice young man, had the full support of dees SUPPORTERS who instead of amplifying misinformation the media spews out for clicks, ratings and profit pushed back and got behind him. Or at the very least bothered to educate themselves about some basic facts about AFL football circa 2024 - for example the impact of interrupted preseasons and in season injury and surgery on elite athletes.

Settle down fella.

Not sure. Tim's brother?

HD, your position in Goodwin is well argued but you completely undercut them with this sort of reductionist palaver. There's a name for it, which I can't recall off the top of my head, but has become an ubiquitous strategy in modern discourse, particularly online discourse. It's a brutally effective strategy designed to do exactly the opposite of the complaint - silence the views of others. Accusation as projection. It forces people into binary positions and makes a nuanced debate or mature exploration of a topic all but impossible. Which of course is the key aim. I didn't start this thread. I did however do the bit on the podcast the OP references, which is me making a case Goodwin is a legend of the club and dees fans should get behind him. That was it. I never said during my bit that goody was above criticism. I have criticised goody plenty over the journey (ironically those critisims included his handling of jack Watts and jessie hogan - ironic because I got wacked for those views) And perhaps i missed it, but I don't recall reading a single post on here, or anywhere for that matter, that said posters 'must never question his wisdom or coaching'. If there was such a post perhaps you can point me to it. Of course the great irony is the people using this strategy, consciously or unconsciously, are often the same people complaining their opinions are shut down. Ironic because as noted the strategy works to silence the voices and opinions of others - to shut down conversation. It's a form of gaslighting that is particularly effective because instead of discussing substantive things and the core issues at hand (in this case whether goody can be considered a legend of the MFC) discussion devolves into being about the right to express contrary views and grievance. It one of the reasons (along with others like peurile personal attacks and deliberately misrepresenting my systed opinions) there is a vanishingly small number of posters on DL these days that i can be bothered having a robust debate with.

Four years is a big commitment Petty signs a three year deal and disco a two year deal. Great vote of confidence in the club, goody and the direction we're going. What odds Harley Reid signs a four year extension at the Eagles? Top work Tom Lamb.

True nuff.