THE BOMBERS' DOPING SAGA - THE FAT LADY SINGS

[old dee 22,929]

2 hours ago, beelzebub said:

WJ. Do we just disregard that he brought all of this on himself. Now playing the victim card when all things regarded this is the polar opposite of the truth. 

I have some sympathy on the kiddywinkies who got bamboozled along the way ( but was still theirs to decide )

The Hirds of the world are what stains this game. Sorry Jack i cant abide the kid gloves. 

I do feel sorry for his kids though.

A fairly similar feeling to my own bb. I too feel for the kids.

[Red and Bluebeard 2,043]

James Hird is not one of my heroes, and if I saw him walking down the street, I would probably cross the street to avoid him. But like others I feel sorry for his children and family for what he has put them through, and I wish him the speediest of recoveries. It is one thing to thoroughly disagree with what he has done and how he has done it; it is quite another to wish him harm. Get well soon, James Hird.

[biggestred 4,320]

The path to redemption is paved with brutal raw honesty.

[Emerald 1,711]

I hope some young people see Hird's situation and realise that immorality leads to suffering. In that way, at least one positive would come out of it. Although some people still show resentment towards James Hird, I am pleased with some Demonlanders sympathy towards him and his family. It shows that goodness can prevail.

Having said that, I can't wait for us to beat the Bombers this year.

[Ted Lasso 16,863]

As someone who has been through mental illness to a fairly serious degree I am absolutely sympathetic for what James hird is going through, part of me wishes the media would leave him alone, he's missed a year, paid his fines and will never work in the sport he loves again so while I've personally lost respect for him as a football person for his actions I wish him well with his health. 

[Clintosaurus 6,479]

Don't think anyone is wishing ill towards Hird. If he wasn't too impatient to wait until 2014 or 2015 to win a flag, it's very like none of the current situation happens. Every action has consequences. 

Edited January 11, 2017 by Clintosaurus

[biggestred 4,320]

He's a bit of a Shakespearean tragedy. A flawed character. I hope he finds peace down the line.

[Dr evil 1,185]

mental illness is a [censored], have virtually no respect for hird as a person but wouldn't wish the black dog on anyone. 

[beelzebub 22,225]

10 hours ago, Dr evil said:

mental illness is a [censored], have virtually no respect for hird as a person but wouldn't wish the black dog on anyone. 

I wonder what his actual condition is, what the true nature of his illness is .

Depression is indeed a nasty passenger. 

Ill state quite plainly i have no time, no sympathy at all for Hird. As far as im concerned this is all of his making, all his current malaise would be as a result of decisions he has made and indeed thrust upon others all out of ego and maniacal delusion.

He had choices. He wears them now. For the sake of his kids i do hope he can get his life back to some place where he can be something of a parent. Only for them would i have a concern. 

This Saga has come to the place where those who sought to deceive are being trapped in webs of their own mischief.

Danks wont be far off

[sue 8,450]

15 hours ago, Abe said:

As someone who has been through mental illness to a fairly serious degree I am absolutely sympathetic for what James hird is going through, part of me wishes the media would leave him alone, he's missed a year, paid his fines and will never work in the sport he loves again so while I've personally lost respect for him as a football person for his actions I wish him well with his health. 

I wouldn't bet on that.

[Lucifers Hero 37,172]

2 minutes ago, sue said:

I wouldn't bet on that.

I doubt it will be while Gil is at the helm...unless Gil starts to worry about the 'bad look' from the AFL being blamed for Hird's ill health. 

Or some Essendon people in high places (eg Victoria Premier, Victoria Governor) might start leaning on Gil.  And as we all know Gil can be quite 'flexible' when it suits him or when his precious image/government funding are at stake.

[dpositive 1,547]

3 hours ago, beelzebub said:

I wonder what his actual condition is, what the true nature of his illness is .

Depression is indeed a nasty passenger. 

Ill state quite plainly i have no time, no sympathy at all for Hird. As far as im concerned this is all of his making, all his current malaise would be as a result of decisions he has made and indeed thrust upon others all out of ego and maniacal delusion.

He had choices. He wears them now. For the sake of his kids i do hope he can get his life back to some place where he can be something of a parent. Only for them would i have a concern. 

This Saga has come to the place where those who sought to deceive are being trapped in webs of their own mischief.

Danks wont be far off

I repeat my previous comment that rather than a rigid denial with blame shifting some transparency would assist in mitigating the impacts on JH and perhaps other s involved in the program he initiated.

perhaps his fate her could  get Danks and others involved in the programto provide a full disclosure of what occurred to relieve some of the unimaginable  torment that this case has and is causing.

it seems AFL and WADA are limited in any defence they can provide without this sort of disclosure. It would certainly be more difficult to propose treatment without full knowledge of  previous circumstances.

From the reports released, i have complete sympathy for JH and deep regret that he is suffering and can only hope that current and future actions can help recovery

[Demon trucker 1,776]

This is all an attempt to get people to feel sorry for him so people will stop asking about his cheating lying scam, this all was a classic case of a clean skin thinking no one would think golden boy could do wrong, when stars are pot on a pedestal they believe everything the yes men tell them that they are better then everyone,  and they can do no wrong. 

[The Reverend 1,704]

15 hours ago, biggestred said:

He's a bit of a Shakespearean tragedy. A flawed character. I hope he finds peace down the line.

I used to use Wayne Carey and Shane Warne as examples of a tragic heroes when teaching Macbeth. Hird has proven to be a much better example - right down to Lady McHird.

[Ted Lasso 16,863]

4 hours ago, sue said:

I wouldn't bet on that.

Media is his only chance, in my humble opinion

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,463]

2 hours ago, The Reverend said:

I used to use Wayne Carey and Shane Warne as examples of a tragic heroes when teaching Macbeth. Hird has proven to be a much better example - right down to Lady McHird.

And you can use Stephen Dank and Dean Robinson as the witches.

Edited January 12, 2017 by La Dee-vina Comedia

[Whispering_Jack 28,007]

On 11/01/2017 at 3:00 PM, beelzebub said:

WJ. Do we just disregard that he brought all of this on himself. Now playing the victim card when all things regarded this is the polar opposite of the truth. 

I have some sympathy on the kiddywinkies who got bamboozled along the way ( but was still theirs to decide )

The Hirds of the world are what stains this game. Sorry Jack i cant abide the kid gloves. 

I do feel sorry for his kids though.

It's possible to look at this situation in different ways.

James Hird is a human being, a husband and a father who has attempted to take his life. In that respect, I think most other reasonable human beings should be looking at how he can be best helped to overcome whatever it is that brought him to that place. If he had a broken leg, it wouldn't be hard for us to understand that he needs proper medical attention, possibly an operation, followed by rest and recuperation. Mental illness is somewhat more complex but I see no reason why people need to go into whether or not he "brought all of this on himself" - we simply don't know and it's irrelevant at this point in time. In my view, the general community, the football fraternity and in particular the Essendon Football Club and its supporters should all be working together to help him in any possible way they can which at this stage is not to do or say too much, to leave it to the health professionals and let him know they have everyone's full support in his quest to get better. That's what I would expect we should be doing in the case of a broken leg and this is no different.

I've always maintained that Essendon played this saga out very poorly. Hird was part of that but we can't even say definitively whether it was the factor that brought him to the place he currently occupies. However, I don't think the recriminations and finger pointing in the media from his father, lawyer and some Essendon supporters and others playing the blame game is going to help anyone - neither Hird, the Essendon Football Club or the sport itself.

 

[Wrecker45 3,378]

I still think Hird is a scapegoat (not blame free) in this sorry saga but he has handled it the worst of any involved.

Regardless he needs to move on with his life and I wish him and family all the best.

[John Crow Batty 8,259]

1 hour ago, Wrecker45 said:

I still think Hird is a scapegoat (not blame free) in this sorry saga but he has handled it the worst of any involved.

Regardless he needs to move on with his life and I wish him and family all the best.

How can you believe he is the scapegoat when just about everyone else in positions of responsibility at Essendon were sacked or resigned swiftly? It took untill the bitter end and millions of dollars in his pocket  to get Hird out of the club. It was he who was in communications the most with Dank. He was the chief architect of the whole project. The perception that some hold that he is a  scapegoat is a sign that the Team Hird propaganda narrative has worked to some extent. He may be unlucky in that he got caught out while others at recently successful clubs may have got away scott free with their own programs.

Edited January 12, 2017 by america de cali

[picket fence 15,273]

James Hird is a victim no doubt about it!! He is a victim of his own ginormous never say die EGO! 

I believe that his inability to accept any ANY blame, responsibility, and apologise for bringing the game into disrepute and accept that the buck stops at the top is the catalyst to his current position. I actually have little pity for him until he can do this! His dulusionality is palpable!

I hope his Club and supporters can move on. He might not ever!

[beelzebub 22,225]

2 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

It's possible to look at this situation in different ways.

James Hird is a human being, a husband and a father who has attempted to take his life.

 

James Hird is a despot a narcissist of the Dorian Gray caliber. He is disconnected from reality and a slave to his own very well developed ego.

His children deserve compassion.,His children deserve concern, his children I feel for.

All of James actions have been about James, even this last effort. Some may say Im deplorable for having this view. Others may share my clarity.

James Hird is a victim of self. There are any number of AFL players who are also victims of his self .

Not once has he ever taken ownership of his misdoings. He has at times feigned concern and yet all of his actions legal and otherwise were about James.

He needs help....for his kids sake

He also needs to be life banned from Sport

[bing181 8,169]

3 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Not once has he ever taken ownership of his misdoings.

The route cause of so many of the problems here, from the very first day this came to light.

Until he does so, hard to see how he can/could move forward. Unfortunately.

Edited January 12, 2017 by bing181

[Fork 'em 6,526]

6 hours ago, picket fence said:

 I hope his Club and supporters can move on.  

I don't.
I want them reminded of their drug cheating whenever they walk into a football stadium till the end of time.
Hate the arrogant flogs with every fibre of my being.

Edited January 12, 2017 by Fork 'em

[Little Goffy 12,652]

On 1/11/2017 at 7:19 PM, Emerald said:

I hope some young people see Hird's situation and realise that immorality leads to suffering. In that way, at least one positive would come out of it. Although some people still show resentment towards James Hird, I am pleased with some Demonlanders sympathy towards him and his family. It shows that goodness can prevail.

Having said that, I can't wait for us to beat the Bombers this year.

 

Just playing Devil's Advocate... but what if Hird was telling the truth, and he really hadn't known about the illegality and scale of the Essendon supplements program, as adminstered by Dank, reporting to Robinson, reporting to Hamilton? What if he had sincerely believed that his admonishments, and request that no further injections be made without Dr Reid's approval, were taken seriously and had established a safe line of reporting?

How is it that Hamilton and Corcoran, for example, haven't been drawn and quartered for public entertainment during one of the 'We are Essendon' marches?

[Lucifers Hero 37,172]

4 hours ago, Little Goffy said:

Just playing Devil's Advocate... but what if Hird was telling the truth, and he really hadn't known about the illegality and scale of the Essendon supplements program, as adminstered by Dank, reporting to Robinson, reporting to Hamilton? What if he had sincerely believed that his admonishments, and request that no further injections be made without Dr Reid's approval, were taken seriously and had established a safe line of reporting?

How is it that Hamilton and Corcoran, for example, haven't been drawn and quartered for public entertainment during one of the 'We are Essendon' marches?

That is because they accepted responsibility because 'it happened on their watch' even if they didn't know/weren't involved.  They did the honourable thing, fell on their sword and resigned.  They and their families have moved on without stigma. 

James did not accept the 'it happened on my watch' principle, disclaimed any responsibility and decided to fight it tooth and nail.  That was is right and his choice.  And he has paid a heavy price for that choice but it was his choice.  He and his family have not moved on.