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19 hours ago, Deeoldfart said:

On the front foot like we are with most things these days.  Love it!

I wonder if its planned to announce at or just prior to AGM on 17th December?

Hope so.

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5 hours ago, hemingway said:

Its an interesting one.

Remember that its only half a season ago that there were more critics than supporters and even the media were asking questions.

Goodwin's improved status came on the back of half a dozen games. 

Cycles and perception of performance are a constantly moving feast and the critics will be back in a flash if team performance is below expectations or Goody's game plan is superseded by new game plans ?

Based on those half dozen games do you reward Goodwin with a long term contract such as 6 years or go for a more conservative period of 3 or 4 years and maybe throw in the option to renew at the end of that period ?

Perhaps Goodwin himself may prefer a shorter contract ? Its unlikely but possible. 

Is it possible that the Demons could go off the rails or simply not make the improvement everyone is now predicting. Particularly given that many believe that anything short of a flag will be a fail.

What happens if Goodwin himself has some sort of crisis and a replacement needs to be found ?

Giving him a long term contract such as 5 or 6 years would be a vote of confidence and provide stability. At the same time, a long term contract may encourage other members of his coaching panel to ply their trade elsewhere with more opportunities. Is the coaching panel hiding a potential top-line coach?

Long term contracts will not stop dissatisfaction and rumours (both inside and outside the club) if the Dees performance tails off.

What happens if the President and the Board changes or there is a falling out between President/Board and Goodwin a la Norm Smith?

You have to be very happy with a coach or any employee to offer a long term contract. The are many variables and things are in a constant state of flux. You have to be happy to the point of not having any doubts that he is the right guy.

Are we sure he is the right guy and will you still feel the same way if expectations are not met in 2019?

 

It’s a challenge not to go full @ProDee on your first two paragraphs, hemingway. I want to say what I think of the supporters and media who lit a bunsen burner under Goodwin in the early part of the season. I’ll just say I thought at the time, and still believe, that their opinion demonstrated hopeless impatience and a thorough lack of understanding of where we were at and what was happening. 

I don’t think it’s either in Goodwin’s or the club’s interest to sign any more than 3 years, on pretty good coin. He has moved out of “establishing” to “established”. That length gives him a clear signal that we’re a fan of his work and believe he’s the right man to steer the ship, without reaming ourselves if the unexpected happens and it goes south. From his perspective, it’s good certainty in an uncertain industry, with the opportunity for a big payday in 3 years time if he’s still delivering.

Medium term contract should be where both the club and Goodwin are at in my opinion.

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A contract extension is recognition of a job well done so far, and unfinished business. And rightly so. To me, a 3 year extension is the right length of time as it says we believe in what you are doing,, and believe you are the right man for the job, but that with the current squad we believe we should achieve at least one premiership in that 3 year period. If we don’t then we need a new man for the position.

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7 hours ago, The Chazz said:

I really struggle with any player using the homesick card to get out of a club.  If the day comes where a senior coach is lured by the "go home" factor, then the AFL world might as well shut up shop.

I don't think it is the same thing, to be a successful at the same club as both player, captain and coach is a pretty rare feat. My comment was also based around the fact that Adelaide seems quite wobbly, and he would /should still have love for his old club, and the dollars offered might go up as well. This is not some 20y.o. that missus Mummy we are talking about.

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2 hours ago, Nasher said:

It’s a challenge not to go full @ProDee on your first two paragraphs, hemingway. I want to say what I think of the supporters and media who lit a bunsen burner under Goodwin in the early part of the season. I’ll just say I thought at the time, and still believe, that their opinion demonstrated hopeless impatience and a thorough lack of understanding of where we were at and what was happening. 

I don’t think it’s either in Goodwin’s or the club’s interest to sign any more than 3 years, on pretty good coin. He has moved out of “establishing” to “established”. That length gives him a clear signal that we’re a fan of his work and believe he’s the right man to steer the ship, without reaming ourselves if the unexpected happens and it goes south. From his perspective, it’s good certainty in an uncertain industry, with the opportunity for a big payday in 3 years time if he’s still delivering.

Medium term contract should be where both the club and Goodwin are at in my opinion.

Did I read that Goodwin's status rose on "6 good games" ?  Sometimes I wish I could say what I really think.

I'm with you.  I would never give any coach longer than three years.  It's completely unnecessary.  

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9 hours ago, hemingway said:

Its an interesting one.

Remember that its only half a season ago that there were more critics than supporters and even the media were asking questions.

Goodwin's improved status came on the back of half a dozen games. 

Cycles and perception of performance are a constantly moving feast and the critics will be back in a flash if team performance is below expectations or Goody's game plan is superseded by new game plans ?

Based on those half dozen games do you reward Goodwin with a long term contract such as 6 years or go for a more conservative period of 3 or 4 years and maybe throw in the option to renew at the end of that period ?

Perhaps Goodwin himself may prefer a shorter contract ? Its unlikely but possible. 

Is it possible that the Demons could go off the rails or simply not make the improvement everyone is now predicting. Particularly given that many believe that anything short of a flag will be a fail.

What happens if Goodwin himself has some sort of crisis and a replacement needs to be found ?

Giving him a long term contract such as 5 or 6 years would be a vote of confidence and provide stability. At the same time, a long term contract may encourage other members of his coaching panel to ply their trade elsewhere with more opportunities. Is the coaching panel hiding a potential top-line coach?

Long term contracts will not stop dissatisfaction and rumours (both inside and outside the club) if the Dees performance tails off.

What happens if the President and the Board changes or there is a falling out between President/Board and Goodwin a la Norm Smith?

You have to be very happy with a coach or any employee to offer a long term contract. The are many variables and things are in a constant state of flux. You have to be happy to the point of not having any doubts that he is the right guy.

Are we sure he is the right guy and will you still feel the same way if expectations are not met in 2019?

 

It’s always a hard one Hem, would Carlton want a do over with Ratts? Dons with Knights? Brissy with Leppa?

Plenty examples of getting it wrong, this bloke seems like he might be ok for the next 2 to 3 years. 5 to 6 years is ridiculous.

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14 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

4 years sounds about right... allows a further extension at the end of year 3 if all is going well.

I think coaches of the future will be looking for sabbaticals in their contracts (even for half a season). Year on year it's a very tough gig especially on the family front.

I believe Goody is currently contracted until the end of next season, (2019).

I reckon we'll extend the contract by 3 Yrs... taking his contract out to the end of (2022) season.

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11 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said:

Gotta be 5 years, surely.

 

That would effectively be a 6 year contract from now...

Gotta be irresponsible, surely...

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7 hours ago, DV8 said:

I believe Goody is currently contracted until the end of next season, (2019).

I reckon we'll extend the contract by 3 Yrs... taking his contract out to the end of (2022) season.

the old contract will probably be scrapped as the new one will include a pay rise etc. So in that sense I am agreeing wit you... 4 years ending at the end of season 2022

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3 years from me. 

Not a fan of long term contracts

3 years with incentives keeps all parties switched on. 

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On 11/29/2018 at 6:29 PM, DaisyDeeciple said:

I don't think it is the same thing, to be a successful at the same club as both player, captain and coach is a pretty rare feat. My comment was also based around the fact that Adelaide seems quite wobbly, and he would /should still have love for his old club, and the dollars offered might go up as well. This is not some 20y.o. that missus Mummy we are talking about.

Agree and plus this - https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/12/03/are-hinkley-and-pyke-the-coaches-under-the-most-pressure-in-2019/

Now, I don't think Goodwin has show any signs of wanting out/go home, but if we don't get this extension right, then the hungry crow eaters could well come a knocking on his door.

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5 year contract with an "are you the right guy?" clause which allows the club to question his ability and chastise him in a public forum for a period not exceeding 1 week after any loss 

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15 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Agree and plus this - https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/12/03/are-hinkley-and-pyke-the-coaches-under-the-most-pressure-in-2019/

Now, I don't think Goodwin has show any signs of wanting out/go home, but if we don't get this extension right, then the hungry crow eaters could well come a knocking on his door.

Living and working with Crow fans I can tell you they would want nothing more than to get their hands on Goodwin and bring him home.

Give him an extra 2 to 3 years. I truly believe we have a good one. Pardon the terrible pun.

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On 12/4/2018 at 1:03 AM, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Agree and plus this - https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/12/03/are-hinkley-and-pyke-the-coaches-under-the-most-pressure-in-2019/

Now, I don't think Goodwin has show any signs of wanting out/go home, but if we don't get this extension right, then the hungry crow eaters could well come a knocking on his door.

Of all the players/coaches/staff at our club, Goodwin is one I worry about the least.  He is building something special here, and the Crows have come knocking before, which he said no to.  I have no doubt he'll sign an extension before the pre-season footy really kicks off in February.

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We won't lose him to the Crows but I think we'll have to pay him more because he's worth it. Love the way he goes about it.

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6 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Goody's got a lot of catching up to do. 😳

 

Hopefully Goody left all that behind at the Dons. 

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2 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Powerhouse...

I read that word with a massive amount of pride.

A far cry from 2013 when we all considered a 5 goal loss to Richmond a highlight of that season.

We’ve come a long way and can only hope we continue our rise.

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