What's needed in 2024

[Superunknown 3,328]

10 minutes ago, Monbon said:

AS I wrote, yes, we are the pawns of the AFL: witness Pickett getting a week for a bump to  Cripps which connected with his shoulder, then, yes, I know, Cripps turned, Pickett's shoulder continued  and poor Cripps's nose was affected. It was called once a Footy Action...

As far as Depth Cover and I alluded to this - we have that aplenty back of centre, but it's hard when the depth cover for the loss of McDonald, Fritsch, Melksham, JRV, Petty, Brown, and earlier in the year, Smith, was Schache...

And I totally agree about the Geelong Bull...t.

 

So why not defend Pickett even to make a point?

 

[DubDee 20,683]

Callum Brown from GWS. contract til 2025 hope we are in his ear. 

Huge upside 

[ElDiablo14 3,087]

6 hours ago, Dodos Demons said:

Nailed it! The hunt for red October begins in earnest - beg, borrow or steal that elite user!!!!

This is what dreams are made of... but hard to see how we could get either of Lynch or Naughton.

[wizardinoz 2,015]

Naughton is a horribly unreliable kick for goal and people wanting Harry McKay please spare us the pain. He misses shots from the friggin goal square & hooks the ball worse than Max. 

[dazzledavey36 48,794]

2 hours ago, #11-TonyAnderson said:

I’m curious- can those who are concerned about potentially losing JJ please inform me about what we would lose. I don’t see speed, good overhead mark, penetrating kicks, or a good defensive forward - what am I missing?

I'd be very surprised if some are still concerned especially after last night's performance. 

[Superunknown 3,328]

10 minutes ago, wizardinoz said:

Naughton is a horribly unreliable kick for goal and people wanting Harry McKay please spare us the pain. He misses shots from the friggin goal square & hooks the ball worse than Max. 

Tom Lynch please 

wowweeeee 

[wizardinoz 2,015]

2 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

Tom Lynch please 

wowweeeee 

Yeh ok how are you going to extract him from the Toigs?

[Superunknown 3,328]

2 minutes ago, wizardinoz said:

Yeh ok how are you going to extract him from the Toigs?

Jesus I’m just the strategist

not the implementer ! 😂😂

[titan_uranus 22,368]

7 hours ago, Watson11 said:

We should be better kicking for goal.  We were much improved moving the ball inside 50 last night but shouldn’t only pull that out in a sudden death final. We need coaches who really want to sort these 2 things out. 

Goal kicking really gives me the sh&ts.  As players are running in its obvious they will miss.  As soon as Max started running towards the point post I knew he would miss. Kossie kicks well when he gets good momentum like his second shot.  His first was not his routine.  When Tracc walks in you know he will miss as he leans back.  It’s unprofessional that they and the coaches have not done enough quality goal kicking practice to get their routines nailed down so they can produce under pressure like the last 2 weeks.  The fact we have arguably lost at least 3 and maybe 4 of our finals due to poor goal kicking is a blight on Goody. 

To go well in 2024 the club has to stay off   demonland and not buy into supporters excuses about injuries being why we lost. We had all our superstars. WCE got it done without 3 injured All Australians (6xAA between them) in 2018. If the club accepts excuses like injuries then we won’t address the issues in our control.  There needs to be a serious effort to address our goal kicking and our attacking game plan. Our defensive game is elite. 

No issue with your views on goal-kicking.

But just because West Coast in 2018 won the flag without Naitanui, Gaff and Sheppard doesn't mean every club with injuries should be able to win the flag forever more.

A key difference between their three injuries and ours was that ours all impacted the same end of the ground, which happened to be our weakest part of the ground in the first place. 

I know in times of disappointment/anger, many don't like hearing about injuries (or luck, or umpiring, or these sorts of things) but they all played a role. There can't be any doubt that losing Petty, Melksham and JVR (the latter through his own clumsy fault) in a season where TMac, Brown and Fritsch had all spent months out with injury made our chances worse.

[DeeSpencer 23,134]

3 hours ago, #11-TonyAnderson said:

I’m curious- can those who are concerned about potentially losing JJ please inform me about what we would lose. I don’t see speed, good overhead mark, penetrating kicks, or a good defensive forward - what am I missing?

His VFL midfield games have been really strong, with inside and outside ball winning, goal kicking and controlling the contest.

He’s still really young and has the kind of big body that will keep getting stronger and more powerful until he’s 25. Has a huge tank.

I’m not overly worried about losing him because right now he’s probably only depth and we need to use the assets in other areas, but there’s a decent chance he still becomes a good mid once he’s played there for a consistent period.

If he goes to the Saints he could be turned in to a solid tagger or defensive winger by Ross the boss.

[Allen Jakovich 516]

Personally I think there's only one thing we need. A mindset which can overcome our worst enemy... which is our fear of losing. 

[dimmy 1,114]

1 hour ago, ElDiablo14 said:

This is what dreams are made of... but hard to see how we could get either of Lynch or Naughton.

Do not want either,one sulks too easily and the other only wants to jump on peoples heads. Forget the magic "expensive" recruit  !!!

ANd forget about Lever as Captain. He would be waving instructions to everyone and sometimes doesn't follow them himself

[monoccular 16,076]

8 hours ago, Diamond Tim said:

Clarrie is an inspirational leader type

Clarrie, like JV, is a genuine on field leader but lovely guys as they are, we need an articulate captain (as Max has been).

2 hours ago, Superunknown said:

This club needs to rapidly, and forcefully, indicate to the afl how we won’t be going to Geelong for the next 20 years and now the Maynard Potemkin show trial was wholly disgraceful

 

why are we so meek and keen to be the good corporate citizen. Collingwood doesn’t do this. Why should we

Blaming luck is an easy way out. 2 absolutely wrong ARCs against Carlton , continually shoddy umpiring. And the games we lost with the disgusting sub standard kicking - that’s not luck

 

I’ll give you the injuries though 

where’s the depth cover ?

Also demand that umpire 22 never gets a game against us again.

1 hour ago, wizardinoz said:

Naughton is a horribly unreliable kick for goal and people wanting Harry McKay please spare us the pain. He misses shots from the friggin goal square & hooks the ball worse than Max. 

Surely they would be brilliant set shots after attending the MFC Mark Williams goal kicking academy. 🙄

[Watson11 1,889]

45 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

I know in times of disappointment/anger, many don't like hearing about injuries (or luck, or umpiring, or these sorts of things) but they all played a role. There can't be any doubt that losing Petty, Melksham and JVR (the latter through his own clumsy fault) in a season where TMac, Brown and Fritsch had all spent months out with injury made our chances worse.

Our really important players all played. Against the blues 3 games ago Melk and JVR didn’t kick a goal between them from 6 and 7 disposals, so how can we claim their absence was the reason we lost when Smith kicked 3? And Petty needs a full season up forward.  He had one and a half good games up forward this season, so no history to give you confidence he would deliver in finals. We can agree to disagree.  

 

[titan_uranus 22,368]

1 minute ago, Watson11 said:

Our really important players all played. Against the blues 3 games ago Melk and JVR didn’t kick a goal between them from 6 and 7 disposals, so how can we claim their absence was the reason we lost when Smith kicked 3? And Petty needs a full season up forward.  He had one and a half good games up forward this season, so no history to give you confidence he would deliver in finals. We can agree to disagree.  

You may notice I didn't say that.

I said the absence of Petty, Melksham and JVR made our chances worse, on the back of Fritsch, TMac and Brown missing months of football (and in Brown's case, never getting back).

I've posted elsewhere that there are multiple issues which contributed to our loss last night and our season ending the way it did. Injuries were one of them. I don't really think there's much of an argument to the contrary.

[Oakridge Demons 27]

Option 1 - Maybe a philosophy on defence doesn't win you finals ????

Option 2 - Build a list with some difference !!

All midfielders same type - no speed,  defence to slow, forward line - recruit/trade for a bull 

[Supreme_Demon 3,011]

Would love to see the Demons try and target Josh Sinn from Port Adelaide.

He would be an excellent replacement for the retiring Michael Hibberd.

Overall though, I would like to see the Football Department do a highly in-depth review so that the Demons can improve for season 2024 and beyond. Gotta aim to win another Premiership!

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A personal trainer for josh schache to put 5kg on over summer

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23 hours ago, Return to Glory said:

Is Rudi Webster still alive? Get him

showing your age there RtG!

Clubs have modern day Rudis ... it's about culture and recriting and that's the environment for growth IMO

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43 minutes ago, DemonBlack said:

A personal trainer for josh schache to put 5kg on over summer

Dean "The weapon" Robinson

 

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1 hour ago, DemonBlack said:

A personal trainer for josh schache to put 5kg on over summer

 

28 minutes ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

Dean "The weapon" Robinson

 

10 kgs then a 12 month ban

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32 minutes ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

Dean "The weapon" Robinson

 

haha ... 

[Kent 2,582]

9 hours ago, wizardinoz said:

Yeh ok how are you going to extract him from the Toigs?

How will we extract him from his perpetual moonboot

[Doug Reemer 910]

22 hours ago, Demons11 said:

You are kidding mate.  This team although inaccurate absolutely give their all every week and there is no way people can question their effort.  They are a brutal footy team and we just need a key forward.   A fit Petty will slot in down back again next year and if we can wrench a ready made power forward from somewhere to stand with JVR we will back bigger than better 

I’m not kidding myself. Where as the captains goal when needed Friday? Some of these “premiership” players absolutely [censored] themselves in front of goal. Misses from dead in front and 45 degree angles. Not good enough.

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On 9/16/2023 at 12:39 AM, titan_uranus said:

Some won’t like it but one thing we need more of is luck - the Petty and Melksham injuries were devastating for our season. 

As for things in our control:

1. Rivers to the midfield

2. Another wing to put selection pressure on Langdon and Hunter

3. A tall forward who can lead at the ball carrier and kick straight

4. A re-think of the way we move the ball in order to generate easier shots on goal given our personnel

5. More Woewodin, Laurie, and other new faces

6. And we need to work on how we start quarters. We give up the first 1-3 goals of quarters too much (tonight they scored first in each of the second, third and fourth. Last week Coll scored first in the first, second and third - same as Sydney the week before).

Good call.

I hate to say it but we lack depth.

And while we have been unlucky with fwd line injuries, bbb, tmac and milk are all over 30, so some of them should have been anticipated.  

There are players like Salo and Langdon that should have been dropped but I'm not sure we had players to replace them. 

A number of exits for me. 

Grundy whose probably gone anyway.

Tmac.

Schache.

Bbb.

So yea we need some talls asap.

And a ruck.