The Jesse Incident

[hemingway 7,615]

what a storm in a teacup.

just ridiculous. 

[Jaded No More 68,680]

I just wish he got the goal

[Demonland 70,523]

Here is the footage.

[whatwhat say what 22,312]

there's no vision from the angle where you can see where he actually hit him

hogan went down fairly quickly

but how on earth did he MISS that goal??

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

2 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

there's no vision from the angle where you can see where he actually hit him

hogan went down fairly quickly

but how on earth did he MISS that goal??

Yeh the miss was ugly.  Nothing to see with the other Fox crap.  Got a nice banana before that attempt but still some work to do on the technique

[Dee Zephyr 19,232]

Have they turned this into a movie yet? Ridiculous story!

Edited May 6, 2018 by Dee Zephyr

[nutbean 8,838]

2 hours ago, Nasher said:

This is exactly the same as the Clarry thing a few years ago. You don’t know exactly what happened unless you were involved. It’s very possible the fall was unintentional as a result of the impact and shock of being punched in the throat.

 

Correct - This whole notion ( and I heard Taylor say it on the replay) - "you have to be stronger than that" - such a nonsense. We are guessing as to whether he saw it coming or expected it. Staging to me is rolling around on the ground like you have been shot from incidental contact - or a grossly exaggerated reaction  - neither was the case here.

[pewpewpew 738]

I'll admit that when I first saw the footage I thought that he took a delayed staged dive from the "bump". The media have convicted him already. Having a closer look at the footage he appears to be struck in the neck area. I wonder if he didn't play it up a little to get the free but a free was there nonetheless.

[pineapple dee 2,892]

2 hours ago, monoccular said:

Were you in the same position as the umpire?  He had absolutely no hesitation in paying the free and saying he went for the throat. 

The umpire was about 3-4 metres away from Carlisle and Hogan, looking and moving straight towards them. He had no hesitation in making his decision. I would say no action at all will be taken.

[Demon17 5,102]

2 hours ago, monoccular said:

Were you in the same position as the umpire?  He had absolutely no hesitation in paying the free and saying he went for the throat. 

The umpire was about 5 m away looking directly at the incident and immediate whistle.  

Not an issue.

Missing the goal though was the issue and punishment enough.

[beelzebub 23,250]

1 hour ago, hemingway said:

what a storm in a teacup.

just ridiculous. 

Yep... nothing to see....move along 

[jnrmac 19,931]

2 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

The radio comments were also rather disparaging at a personal level. Have no difficulty with the club getting on the front foot about this one. Oliver was sacrificed to the powers that be.. let's not see it happen again.

 

2 hours ago, low flying Robbo said:

This is why I loathe foxsports "news" (if you can call it that)

They have 1 view, no replay, no other angle, but the article is written like it's confirmed that he staged.

 

3 hours ago, Forest Demon said:

There was no camera angle to show where he was hit, and if he did indeed cop one in the throat, as the umpire saw, then his response is perfectly reasonable.

 

3 hours ago, ManDee said:

Frame by frame you can see Carlisle's hand momentarily at Hogans throat. The umpire was talking to Carlisle and about 10 metres away looking at them. The umpire did not guess he saw it. Free to Hogan no problem. Commentators like Watson besmirch the reputation of umpires and the victim when they  make a call like this when they have not seen the incident. Hogan may or may not have over reacted, he was looking at the umpire as he was going down. But the throat contact happened.

 

3 hours ago, Demonland said:

I must need my prescription checked. On closer look he does get hit in the throat. I initially thought the fall was a delayed reaction to the bump inorder to get a free. 

The umpire clearly said he was hit to the throat. Why commentators couldn't hear that is beyond a joke.

[Demonland 70,523]

1 hour ago, pineapple dee said:

The umpire was about 3-4 metres away from Carlisle and Hogan, looking and moving straight towards them. He had no hesitation in making his decision. I would say no action at all will be taken.

If any action is taken on Hogan then some action must be taken on the umpire as well.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,664]

2 hours ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

there's no vision from the angle where you can see where he actually hit him

hogan went down fairly quickly

but how on earth did he MISS that goal??

Hogan should have run in straight and kicked an ordinary drop punt. The Stevie J kick around the corner makes sense when on a sharp angle, but not this time. My suspicion is that players choose the Stevie J kick for psychological reasons. It gives them an excuse if they miss. They can argue (to themselves) that the shot was harder than it actually was and therefore excuse their poor kick. It would be much harder to justify a miss if he had run in straight as he should have. 

[daisycutter 29,436]

think he'll get a fine. a few precedents this year already. he did milk it.

most commentators say so.

strangely no comment on carlisle being cited. he should cop a fine for strike to throat (deliberate, high, minimal impact)

[chook fowler 19,295]

Carlisle should be the one suspended for stupidity 

[Robot Devil 1,895]

Observe the umpire explaining to Carlisle (with hand gesture confirming) that he struck Hogan in the throat.

Edited May 7, 2018 by Robot Devil

[Wells 11 5,305]

 

I get and agree with the crackdown on diving....and think its good for the game in general that they do. And lets face it...it did look like Jessie played this up a little so I guess it is what it is...but still it WAS a hit to the throat. And would still  have been a free every day of the week. Ironically jessie got suspended for 2 weeks for a throat hit against the blues last year  didnt he? 

 

[Demonland 70,523]

The media has hung, drawn and quartered Jesse.

 

[SFebes 4,864]

Looks in the chest and not in the throat like the umpire thought, pretty soft from Jesse regardless anyway.

[Rod Grinter Riot Squad 5,654]

I am not sold that he dived at all.

 

as a matter of fact, I want the club to come out and slam these spineless sods calling him a diver and would be thrilled to see a case for defamation taken against the weasels at places like news limited who ran with the headline “Diving Hogan....”. It is about time we stopped being soft off the field, we are getting a hard edge on field, need it off field too.

 

If we don’t vigorously defend our players, then as a club, we are still as soft as we have been for the best part of five decades. The admin have a choice here, stand up for our players or undue so much of the good work they seem to have done these last few years.

[Diamond_Jim 12,390]

4 minutes ago, Rod Grinter Riot Squad said:

I am not sold that he dived at all.

 

as a matter of fact, I want the club to come out and slam these spineless sods calling him a diver and would be thrilled to see a case for defamation taken against the weasels at places like news limited who ran with the headline “Diving Hogan....”. It is about time we stopped being soft off the field, we are getting a hard edge on field, need it off field too.

 

If we don’t vigorously defend our players, then as a club, we are still as soft as we have been for the best part of five decades. The admin have a choice here, stand up for our players or undue so much of the good work they seem to have done these last few years.

perhaps a little OOT to sue for defamation RGS but I suspect if it was one of Eddie's players we would see some push back.

We should have been shaping the story last night... by inserting doubt the debate would have been about.." was it a dive".. Now it is accepted in the media that it was.

Edited May 7, 2018 by Diamond_Jim

[hemingway 7,615]

Every week we have the media beating up a story, whether it be a story on the successes or failures of a particular club (Richmond is the success and St Kilda the failure ) or a story coming out of a match (Hogan/McCartney).

Everything is dramatized and exaggerated for purposes of footy talk shows, journalists etc).   

We really have to try and ignore it because the media circus relentlessly moves on from week to week. 

I guess they achieve their objective by folks watching shows, reading articles and talking about it.

But so much of it is nonsense and just a waste of time. 

Despite their healthy remuneration, I do have some sympathy for the coaches and players who have to absorb this bilge and have to defend or justify their position. 

 

[Deemania since 56 6,570]

6 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

There were actually 2 actions from Carlisle, first the chest bump then a jab to the chest/throat/neck (hard to determine from camera angle) which he got the free for. Not sure if this was picked up because on first viewing it looked like a delayed dive from the chest bump but there was clearly a second action from Carlisle.

Jesse is a fast thinker - not so popular with the media and commentators, nor with avid opposition fans and in this criterion, I will add the umpires, opposing players, and those non-MFC interests around the ground -- who, We are proud to say, managed a challenging situation to a 'T'.

A normal bloke would just belt Carlisle back in the chops, floor him with a short, sharp jab and get on with the game to find that upon recurring transmission by the media of his actions that he had a six-week suspension in front of him.

That outcome would not be acceptable to us, to Jesse and his quick mind, nor to the Club.

So, anticipating another tempting blow to precede any possible flattening of Carlisle, Jesse merely leaned backward - too far for Carlisle to reach - and avoided the potential of a secondary impact whilst showing the cool-headed response of walking away without retaliation. In getting out of the way of Carlisle's potential, next blow at our Champion, he recoiled from the first blow just a little too far and fell backwards. Did you notice how quickly he adjusted his position in falling to minimise injury, landing landing on his muscular rear end? Doubly quick thinking in the circumstances was all that I saw. 

In fact, Jesse did Carlisle a favour - in two regards, as follows:

a. he did not retaliate and ruin the next six months of Carlisle's football career, with facial and psychological damage; and 

b. he let Carlisle off the hook by leaning away from the scene of the crime so quickly that the ill-informed and clueless fools who thought he instead took a 'dive' - in their puzzlement - cried blue murder at the skilful evasion technique employed by Jesse and hence, took the umpires by surprise, as well, resulting without 'reporting' being directed at Carlisle for his unacceptable field behaviours in the first place. 

Who could disagree? Sportsmanship at its finest!

 

[Bitter but optimistic 22,123]

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

think he'll get a fine. a few precedents this year already. he did milk it.

most commentators say so.

strangely no comment on carlisle being cited. he should cop a fine for strike to throat (deliberate, high, minimal impact)

Correct dc! 

If there is a deliberate blow to the throat ( worthy of a free)  why isn't there a report?

BTW, I also agree that Jesse "milked" it.