POSTGAME: Rd 05 vs Brisbane

[rpfc 27,467]

2 hours ago, Binmans PA said:

It has to be an anomaly given it literally hasn't happened since 2020.

We have a young team, changing the way we play, and have question marks on some important players. 

This will not be an isolated problem for 2024. 

[Mel Bourne 3,665]

53 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

As soon as he did that dumb high kick, which is like a tackle 5 nrl kick, I looked at him & he just threw his head back. I have no idea why he did that kick

The kick from the centre, straight to the only player in deep forward - a lions player - was a moment of utter disbelief. 

[DemonOX 8,530]

20 hours ago, Clintosaurus said:

Noah Answerth = [censored].

What a dog act by a little boy. PATHETIC. 

[CHF 2,602]

Reading the comments on this thread the most used word looks to be ‘disappointing’ … and no one can argue with that one-word summation.

 It was a disappointment on so many levels.

Our team structure never looked like appearing during the game. I noted in the preview I wrote that the game would be won in the midfield but I never imagined that one midfield would be so dominant.

Between the arcs I would say we won one position and drew, possibly, two others with the rest of the game in this area of the field comprehensively won by the Lions. The wings, Langdon and Windsor, matched, or almost matched their counterparts and Max was our only winner.

Max’s tap work was very good, but our midfield was non-existent at his feet. So much so that in the later stages of the match he was taking the ball and trying to clear it himself or belting it as far away from the contest as possible to try and get some breathing space.

Petracca was the best of a bad lot, Viney subdued and Oliver about 10% of his usual effectiveness due to his hand injury. The rest of the rotations through there with Salem’s early hamstring were ineffectual. We were out played, out manned and out pressured.

It is all very well to say that is not the way we play the game and scratch your head over it all but that is not good enough in this circumstance. The team and the coaching panel need to work through this and come up with answers, not excuses.

Oliver should not play again until his injured hand is healed. The midfield needs to be looked at with a re-visit to the drawing board to ensure we are playing the best fittest players in their strongest positions.

With such a performance from the midfield I cannot be critical of either our defence, which was under constant pressure all night, nor our attack, which did not see the ball in their half of the ground for about 2/3 of the night. I feel that both of these groups of players did ok in the circumstances.

Work needs to be done on the midfield and questions need to be asked of the performance of the coaching panel in the leadup to the game and during the match.

A break and then Richmond next where the footy world will be watching for a response from us. Talking about it will not get us anywhere.

 

[chook fowler 18,230]

2 minutes ago, CHF said:

Reading the comments on this thread the most used word looks to be ‘disappointing’ … and no one can argue with that one-word summation.

 It was a disappointment on so many levels.

Our team structure never looked like appearing during the game. I noted in the preview I wrote that the game would be won in the midfield but I never imagined that one midfield would be so dominant.

Between the arcs I would say we won one position and drew, possibly, two others with the rest of the game in this area of the field comprehensively won by the Lions. The wings, Langdon and Windsor, matched, or almost matched their counterparts and Max was our only winner.

Max’s tap work was very good, but our midfield was non-existent at his feet. So much so that in the later stages of the match he was taking the ball and trying to clear it himself or belting it as far away from the contest as possible to try and get some breathing space.

Petracca was the best of a bad lot, Viney subdued and Oliver about 10% of his usual effectiveness due to his hand injury. The rest of the rotations through there with Salem’s early hamstring were ineffectual. We were out played, out manned and out pressured.

It is all very well to say that is not the way we play the game and scratch your head over it all but that is not good enough in this circumstance. The team and the coaching panel need to work through this and come up with answers, not excuses.

Oliver should not play again until his injured hand is healed. The midfield needs to be looked at with a re-visit to the drawing board to ensure we are playing the best fittest players in their strongest positions.

With such a performance from the midfield I cannot be critical of either our defence, which was under constant pressure all night, nor our attack, which did not see the ball in their half of the ground for about 2/3 of the night. I feel that both of these groups of players did ok in the circumstances.

Work needs to be done on the midfield and questions need to be asked of the performance of the coaching panel in the leadup to the game and during the match.

A break and then Richmond next where the footy world will be watching for a response from us. Talking about it will not get us anywhere.

 

Agree re the midfield but our forward line is very poor. I know supply wasn’t great but they didn’t compete or apply any pressure so the Lions rebounded far too easily. And yes, I am available as a specialist coach.

[Binmans PA 26,076]

23 minutes ago, rpfc said:

We have a young team, changing the way we play, and have question marks on some important players. 

This will not be an isolated problem for 2024. 

I'd be very surprised if Viney, Oliver and Petracca have an equally worse game together ever again. And that's where it was lost last night. In the midfield.

[manny100 1,010]

Just goes to show how important the gun playmakers are. Drop off and it makes it very tough.

Bowey and Salem will make a difference to the defence. Rivers may then be able to play a bit more mid.

I think we can regroup ok for round VS tigers.

 

 

[dino rover 620]

21 minutes ago, CHF said:

Max’s tap work was very good, but our midfield was non-existent at his feet. So much so

Was it?

I have an open mind but if your taps aren’t resulting in better clearance numbers it doesn’t matter.

it seemed to me that we were losing the clearances - what do the stats say?

it’s like bombing the ball into the fwd line with “no connection”

there is not the connection we used to see between Gawn and the midfield 

taps without connection are worth what?

[Ethan Tremblay 28,389]

Brisbane play a horrible brand of football. Unfortunately, we appeared to be flat after a bit of travel and tough start to the season. 

[binman 38,076]

8 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Brisbane play a horrible brand of football. Unfortunately, we appeared to be flat after a bit of travel and tough start to the season. 

Yep, sums up the game in a nutshell.

Fairly predictable the level of henny penny, sky is falling reactions in this post match thread.

I'm sure there was a similar level of angst on the swans Demonland equivalent after they were completely woeful in their loss to a very average tigers outfit.

But as objective footy fans, I'm pretty confident few Demonland posters think that very disappointing loss is evidence the swans are no good, won't make top 4, can't win the flag etc etc.

Similarly, when one of the other real contenders - giants, Port, blues and cats - inevitably lose a match they are favourites to win, few will argue that's evidence they can't win a flag.

[Roost it far 6,096]

I had my doubts coming into the season and was buoyed by the way we’ve played and the potential for improvement that lies within our numbers from the first 5 rounds. Last night, whilst immensely disappointing, doesn’t have me reverting back to doubts. We were knackered and Brisbane were absolutely desperate for the win. [censored] happens. No one on here can tell me that Trac, Viney and Oliver will play like that very often. I’d be surprised if a bug hadn’t got the group whilst away. Take the week, then we’ve got 3 tough games. I’ll reserve judgement until after the Carlton game. 

Edited April 12 by Roost it far

[loges 6,027]

1 hour ago, CHF said:

Reading the comments on this thread the most used word looks to be ‘disappointing’ … and no one can argue with that one-word summation.

 It was a disappointment on so many levels.

Our team structure never looked like appearing during the game. I noted in the preview I wrote that the game would be won in the midfield but I never imagined that one midfield would be so dominant.

Between the arcs I would say we won one position and drew, possibly, two others with the rest of the game in this area of the field comprehensively won by the Lions. The wings, Langdon and Windsor, matched, or almost matched their counterparts and Max was our only winner.

Max’s tap work was very good, but our midfield was non-existent at his feet. So much so that in the later stages of the match he was taking the ball and trying to clear it himself or belting it as far away from the contest as possible to try and get some breathing space.

Petracca was the best of a bad lot, Viney subdued and Oliver about 10% of his usual effectiveness due to his hand injury. The rest of the rotations through there with Salem’s early hamstring were ineffectual. We were out played, out manned and out pressured.

It is all very well to say that is not the way we play the game and scratch your head over it all but that is not good enough in this circumstance. The team and the coaching panel need to work through this and come up with answers, not excuses.

Oliver should not play again until his injured hand is healed. The midfield needs to be looked at with a re-visit to the drawing board to ensure we are playing the best fittest players in their strongest positions.

With such a performance from the midfield I cannot be critical of either our defence, which was under constant pressure all night, nor our attack, which did not see the ball in their half of the ground for about 2/3 of the night. I feel that both of these groups of players did ok in the circumstances.

Work needs to be done on the midfield and questions need to be asked of the performance of the coaching panel in the leadup to the game and during the match.

A break and then Richmond next where the footy world will be watching for a response from us. Talking about it will not get us anywhere.

 

You've raised all my points here, all I will add is I think it's concerning and I know we are trying to tweak the game plan but we seem to be falling away in areas that made us great. Pressure/tackling, clearance/stoppage what has happened we used to be in the top rated teams for these one percenters now we are trending significantly downwards

Edited April 12 by loges

[At the break of Gawn 3,497]

4 hours ago, rpfc said:

What if we lose, ATBOG? 

Yea that is your acronym.

ATBOG

If we lose to Richmond then we’re not achieving anything this year.

The point I was trying to make is that there’s no point putting any weight to a win against Richmond. The games against the Cats and the Blues will be our next audit. 

[von 1,220]

9 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

If it helps I feel the same way about him after most wins?

And yeah, some guys don't come back the same after premierships. Smart clubs address this, they change roles, they demand more.

If we want to win another flag we need to change our method and get more from certain players

He’s continued to kick goals though, as per his job description. He’s unfortunately our main forward and is up there with the best in the league at that job, despite his size. No he’s not necessarily tough and I have seen him take a few short steps over the years. I’ve also seen him show great courage in the air. I like that he shows a bit of arrogance at times. Sometimes our team seems to go out of its way to keep its head down a bit too often. He’s not a bull and there’s a certain element who seem to think if you aren’t jack Viney than you are lacking something but Fritschs strengths well and truly over power his weaknesses. A team needs balance. He has been one of the best forwards I’ve ever seen at the club. 

[titan_uranus 22,363]

4 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Not that affects us but Charlie Cameron got a week for his tackle on Lever.

I reckon they can argue that down to low.

No way. They are clear on why head high contact gets upgraded to medium. 

56 minutes ago, At the break of Gawn said:

If we lose to Richmond then we’re not achieving anything this year.

The point I was trying to make is that there’s no point putting any weight to a win against Richmond. The games against the Cats and the Blues will be our next audit. 

So Sydney’s not achieving anything this year?

[Pennant St Dee 11,276]

6 hours ago, Binmans PA said:

I'm not sure I've seen it mentioned in this thread yet, but not having Kozzy for the way we defend and try to turn the ball over or maintain territory, cannot be overstated enough.

Our forward system relies on his explosive pace.

Not to mention he opens pockets/ leading lanes on top of forward pressure which effects their possession from D50 game, he hurt us and I hope they let him know 

Stupid no matter what way look at it

[DeeSpencer 23,133]

1 hour ago, von said:

He’s continued to kick goals though, as per his job description. He’s unfortunately our main forward and is up there with the best in the league at that job, despite his size. No he’s not necessarily tough and I have seen him take a few short steps over the years. I’ve also seen him show great courage in the air. I like that he shows a bit of arrogance at times. Sometimes our team seems to go out of its way to keep its head down a bit too often. He’s not a bull and there’s a certain element who seem to think if you aren’t jack Viney than you are lacking something but Fritschs strengths well and truly over power his weaknesses. A team needs balance. He has been one of the best forwards I’ve ever seen at the club. 

He didn’t do his job last night tho, he was invisible for most of the game. Same for the first half against the Crows.

And it’s not that I don’t think he’s not very talented and good, but I just don’t think we maximise his talent by only playing him in one set role.

We struggled to get the ball over half way most of the night, why have your best forward constantly out the back if the ball never gets there?

Get him leading up to the wing and getting the ball and worry about who’s inside 50 when it gets there 

[JJR 555]

21 hours ago, layzie said:

See this is the slight problem I'm having with it all: 

The 2nd and 3rd quarter pur performance was literally at the pits of hell, we were not even marking lace-out balls. Then when the game had been buried with a shovel we kick a few junk time goals.

And that's nice, don't get me wrong that's really nice and no-one would rather minimise the damage of a loss than me. However there have been many, many games in the last few years where this has happened: Rd 2 against them last year, Gather Round against Essendon last year, Geelong games at the cattery, I could pick out a number of games where we were heading for a 10 goal loss and escaped it. Which is great, all you want is a competitive team but it's starting to mask the cracks a bit and some people instantly forget about the glaring problems we were facing 30 minutes earlier. I'm not going to be happy about our midfielders waving the white flag for the key moments of the game just because they looked ok when the heat was off.

It was no different tonight, while I was happy we fought back I just knew that there were going to be some who were ready to use it as a crutch. I do wonder about the kind of reality check our team and coaching staff would have if we actually did get belted one day.

Rubbish take, you're talking about general losses that happen to every team every season. " Heading for a 10 goal loss and escaped it" exactly, we don't get pumped when most teams would in those situations. We were severely cooked against Brisbane you can just see it. That wasn't cracks showing that was pure fatigue. The last we scored 5 cause Brisbane slowed down a bit. Horrible take.

 

[binman 38,076]

14 minutes ago, JJR said:

Rubbish take, you're talking about general losses that happen to every team every season. " Heading for a 10 goal loss and escaped it" exactly, we don't get pumped when most teams would in those situations. We were severely cooked against Brisbane you can just see it. That wasn't cracks showing that was pure fatigue. The last we scored 5 cause Brisbane slowed down a bit. 

 

Precisely my take.

[No. 31 556]

A Brisbane team fighting for their 2024 season took apart a tired looking Dees side. The late flurry of goals made the final losing score look respectable but reality is the Dees were taken apart. I don't see this happening regularly and suspect it was an aberration due to various factors. It happens. Good timing for a bye to rest up for a few days and then get to work on some aspects. 4 & 2 is still a solid start and a good base for the 2024 campaign. Chin up Dees ...

[JJR 555]

3 hours ago, Roost it far said:

I had my doubts coming into the season and was buoyed by the way we’ve played and the potential for improvement that lies within our numbers from the first 5 rounds. Last night, whilst immensely disappointing, doesn’t have me reverting back to doubts. We were knackered and Brisbane were absolutely desperate for the win. [censored] happens. No one on here can tell me that Trac, Viney and Oliver will play like that very often. I’d be surprised if a bug hadn’t got the group whilst away. Take the week, then we’ve got 3 tough games. I’ll reserve judgement until after the Carlton game. 

Exactly, fatigue makes anyone look very ordinary

[H_T 2,941]

6 hours ago, loges said:

our best plyer by far

Lever.

[Bring-Back-Powell 13,187]

My first excuse for Thursday night is we’re tired and badly need a bye after 6 games.

And yet last year we played 13 games without a bye and beat a couple of last year’s top 4 sides in the 12th and 13th game after 5 interstate trips.

Last year in our corresponding 6th game we gritted out a win after coming home from a Perth-Adelaide double and had a total of 3 interstate trips as per this year.

Why are we in so desperate need for a bye this at this time of the year, where as last year we went on a dominant patch between rounds 6 and 9 (albeit against lower teams).

Or are we just too quick to use it as an excuse for our poor loss the other night? Max played like he didn’t need the bye.

[Boots and all 894]

11 hours ago, Roost it far said:

I had my doubts coming into the season and was buoyed by the way we’ve played and the potential for improvement that lies within our numbers from the first 5 rounds. Last night, whilst immensely disappointing, doesn’t have me reverting back to doubts. We were knackered and Brisbane were absolutely desperate for the win. [censored] happens. No one on here can tell me that Trac, Viney and Oliver will play like that very often. I’d be surprised if a bug hadn’t got the group whilst away. Take the week, then we’ve got 3 tough games. I’ll reserve judgement until after the Carlton game. 

I'll be making some judgement if we lose to the Tigers 😒. Their injury list is horrible at present. Possibly 13 players out including several important ones.

[dino rover 620]

12 hours ago, dino rover said:

Was it?

I have an open mind but if your taps aren’t resulting in better clearance numbers it doesn’t matter.

it seemed to me that we were losing the clearances - what do the stats say?

it’s like bombing the ball into the fwd line with “no connection”

there is not the connection we used to see between Gawn and the midfield 

taps without connection are worth what?

According to afl app Max has

hit outs to advantage 29% considered “average “

he is highly rated and I don’t doubt that but as a unit the midfield group are under achieving on clearances

presumably because we play one behind the play

that can’t apply at centre bounces though

Edited April 12 by dino rover