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31 minutes ago, Freddy Fuschia said:

Seems about the right place to secure Jaxon Binns.

Binns won't go top 20.

Don't think we will get Cadman or Jefferson with this pick but lets wait and see.

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Still early days....

But these are some of the possibilities for pick #13 (which will become pick #14) in the 2022 AFL National Draft.

1) Matthew Jefferson - Tall forward

2) Mattaes Phillipou - Tall midfielder

3) Henry Hustwaite - Tall midfielder

4) Max Gruzewski - Tall forward

5) Lachie Cowan  - Medium defender

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I we are REALLY lucky someone like a Bailey Humphrey or a Elijah Tsatas might be a slider. But I highly doubt it.

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1 hour ago, MurDoc516 said:

Binns won't go top 20.

Don't think we will get Cadman or Jefferson with this pick but lets wait and see.

GWS just spent a week manoeuvring their way to pick 1 to I assume get Cadman, and North got themselves two bites at the next best. Even with Ports pick 8 early last week we'd be no chance. Oh well!

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I'm in the camp for Oliver Hollands at this pick. Outside mid with pace and good kicking. Could make the opposite wing to Lingers his own.

Cal Twomey has him going at 12 in his latest phantom draft, so he should be around the mark.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.afl.com.au/news/852288/cal-twomeys-phantom-form-guide-top-draft-prospects-september-ranking/amp

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Really wanted a top 10 pick from the LJ trade but Freo couldn’t get it done. Dees might look to trade up a few places and try to get Humphrey.  
Likely run sheet 1. Ashcroft BRIS F/s 2.Cadman GWS 3.Tsatas NM 4.Wardlaw NM 5.Sheezel  EssFC 6.Humphrey  Suns  7.Phillipou Hawks 8.Clark cats  9.Ginbey WC  10.Mackenzie stk 11.Hollands Carl 12.HewittWB 13.Busslinger WC  If we are stuck on pick “13” then 14. Dees …might bid on Jaspa Fletcher (Lions father son) it’s likely that JT will look at Matt Jefferson or Max Gruzewski to grab a key position young forward for list balance or take a punt on Brayden George.   

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Here is my alternative strategy for pick 13:

  • we are not going to get into the elite end of the draft this year (top 5 or so) and the next batch is "throw a blanket over" material.
  • 2023 draft is looking very strong
  • we have lots of young talent at Casey that needs an opportunity (Turner, Bowey, JJ, Howes, JVR, Chandler all missed R23).  We need to give them an opportunity and show them a career path or we will lose them as we have Bedford.
  • we need to position ourselves so we can access some really elite talent, not just good talent.

To this end I'd look at trading 13 for a future 1st which teams that are rebuilding might find attractive.  We might get something in return like a pick in the 30's. Draft in Grundy, promote Chandler and draft a couple in the 30's or 40's.

That leaves us with 3 first rounders next year plus your future 1st for 2024.  We also have 2 seconds in 2024. We would then be in a fantastic position in a very good draft to trade up higher to get some really elite talent or trade in a very good player.

I think we have enough good core talent both in the team and at Casey to take this approach.  I don't think we need to add good but not elite talent this year.  If we are to contend well into the future we need access to either the really pointy end of the draft or enough collateral to satisfy a really elite talent trade.

Fans would scream but I think it's a great idea.  So, there you go, pull it apart.

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16 minutes ago, Slartibartfast said:

To this end I'd look at trading 13 for a future 1st which teams that are rebuilding might find attractive.  We might get something in return like a pick in the 30's. Draft in Grundy, promote Chandler and draft a couple in the 30's or 40's.

No pulling it apart from me - reckon it is a great plan.

Just a minor question:  not sure where those picks for this year will come from unless we convert some future picks to this year which is easily doable.  Doubt Ess will give us a 2022 pick for Weideman if he goes as they need points for Davey jr.

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31 minutes ago, Slartibartfast said:

 

Here is my alternative strategy for pick 13:

  • we are not going to get into the elite end of the draft this year (top 5 or so) and the next batch is "throw a blanket over" material.
  • 2023 draft is looking very strong
  • we have lots of young talent at Casey that needs an opportunity (Turner, Bowey, JJ, Howes, JVR, Chandler all missed R23).  We need to give them an opportunity and show them a career path or we will lose them as we have Bedford.
  • we need to position ourselves so we can access some really elite talent, not just good talent.

To this end I'd look at trading 13 for a future 1st which teams that are rebuilding might find attractive.  We might get something in return like a pick in the 30's. Draft in Grundy, promote Chandler and draft a couple in the 30's or 40's.

That leaves us with 3 first rounders next year plus your future 1st for 2024.  We also have 2 seconds in 2024. We would then be in a fantastic position in a very good draft to trade up higher to get some really elite talent or trade in a very good player.

I think we have enough good core talent both in the team and at Casey to take this approach.  I don't think we need to add good but not elite talent this year.  If we are to contend well into the future we need access to either the really pointy end of the draft or enough collateral to satisfy a really elite talent trade.

Fans would scream but I think it's a great idea.  So, there you go, pull it apart.

A premiership and 3 1st round picks. They might give us a trade ban and ban future first trading league wide if we added a 4th :laugh:

It's a really good idea, well worth thinking about. Even if we use it this year, we can still conceivably trade Freo's 1st, Our 1st and a (2024) Future 1st next year for a very high pick, or a trade for a gun key forward out of contract.

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8 hours ago, MurDoc516 said:

Binns won't go top 20.

Don't think we will get Cadman or Jefferson with this pick but lets wait and see.

Looking at which clubs are doing the picking in the 7-12 range, I think there’s a very good chance Jefferson is there at 13/14. West Coast pick twice and there’s a feeling they’ll go local with Busslinger & Hewitt. Saints probably want McKenzie, Dogs & Blues won’t go tall and top 5 is too high for him. Cats May pounce at 7, but also sounds like they’re into Jhye Clark.

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Remember this pick will become pick 15 after the two likely bids. Doubt Phillipou or Humphry will slide to 15, so we're likely to get scraps or someone like Jefferson here. We desperately need a KPF, but Jefferson seems the only one around this mark in phantom drafts, and he's less than 80kgs and looks years away from having a body ready for AFL. On the vision I've seen, he looks more a like a pick 40 project player than a first round elite talent.
Hollands could be a best case scenario to give us more outside run and skill.

Disappointing result to not get a higher pick, as we're losing elite talent and likely not replacing it with elite talent. Hopefully there's still more dealing to come and we get inside the top 10 and give ourself a better shot at replacing elite talent with elite talent. As suggested earlier in this thread, we may be better off trading this pick out for future 1st rounders in hope that we can access elite talent next year instead of average talent this year.

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12 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Remember this pick will become pick 15 after the two likely bids. Doubt Phillipou or Humphry will slide to 15, so we're likely to get scraps or someone like Jefferson here. We desperately need a KPF, but Jefferson seems the only one around this mark in phantom drafts, and he's less than 80kgs and looks years away from having a body ready for AFL. On the vision I've seen, he looks more a like a pick 40 project player than a first round elite talent.
Hollands could be a best case scenario to give us more outside run and skill.

Disappointing result to not get a higher pick, as we're losing elite talent and likely not replacing it with elite talent. Hopefully there's still more dealing to come and we get inside the top 10 and give ourself a better shot at replacing elite talent with elite talent. As suggested earlier in this thread, we may be better off trading this pick out for future 1st rounders in hope that we can access elite talent next year instead of average talent this year.

We are not losing elite talent,one great qtr in 52 games does not spell elite.Elite potential ,perhaps,if there is such a thing

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im of the view we should go smaller here and try and get our second pick into the 30 range to have a go at keeler, i rkn he has the best athletic build of the talls. cadman i feel has peaked early and benefitted from being the biggest bloke out there against other 18yo's which as we found out with weid doesnt necessarily transition to the big league. keeler has the leap and the athletic ability to get around the grounds. pair him with hollands i say and then bring elijah back to melbourne in a few years time ;)

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4 hours ago, Slartibartfast said:

 

Here is my alternative strategy for pick 13:

  • we are not going to get into the elite end of the draft this year (top 5 or so) and the next batch is "throw a blanket over" material.
  • 2023 draft is looking very strong
  • we have lots of young talent at Casey that needs an opportunity (Turner, Bowey, JJ, Howes, JVR, Chandler all missed R23).  We need to give them an opportunity and show them a career path or we will lose them as we have Bedford.
  • we need to position ourselves so we can access some really elite talent, not just good talent.

To this end I'd look at trading 13 for a future 1st which teams that are rebuilding might find attractive.  We might get something in return like a pick in the 30's. Draft in Grundy, promote Chandler and draft a couple in the 30's or 40's.

That leaves us with 3 first rounders next year plus your future 1st for 2024.  We also have 2 seconds in 2024. We would then be in a fantastic position in a very good draft to trade up higher to get some really elite talent or trade in a very good player.

I think we have enough good core talent both in the team and at Casey to take this approach.  I don't think we need to add good but not elite talent this year.  If we are to contend well into the future we need access to either the really pointy end of the draft or enough collateral to satisfy a really elite talent trade.

Fans would scream but I think it's a great idea.  So, there you go, pull it apart.

It might be helpful to understand this discussion in context to look at the last five drafts and the choices made at around this selection.

2017 

12. Darcy Fogarty (Adelaide) 
13. Jarrod Brander (West Coast) 
14. Matthew Ling (Sydney) 
15. Zac Bailey (Brisbane)

2018

12. Zak Butters (Port Adelaide)
13. Isaac Quaynor (Collingwood) 
14. Jackson Hately (GWS Giants)
15. Jordan Clark (Geelong)

2019

12. Kysaiah Pickett (Melbourne)
13. Will Day (Hawthorn) 
14. Miles Bergman (Port Adelaide) 
15. Cody Weightman (Western Bulldogs)

2020

12. Tanner Bruhn (Greater Western Sydney)
13.  Tom Powell (North Melbourne)
14. Heath Chapman (Fremantle) 
15. Conor Stone (Greater Western Sydney)

2021

12. Josh Sinn (Port Adelaide)
13. Ben Hobbs (Essendon) 
14. Campbell Chesser (West Coast)
15. Leek Aleer (Greater Western Sydney)

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12 hours ago, Freddy Fuschia said:

Seems about the right place to secure Jaxon Binns.

I just couldn’t handle it. Every time he makes a mistake hearing supporters yell ‘that’s trash binns’.

Also, it’s not really on brand. Is there a ‘Slopes’, ‘Herringbone’ or ‘Roquefort’ available?

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9 hours ago, rpfc said:

No player with the name ‘Jaxon’ will be successful, I’m sorry.

I want Max Gruzewski just for lols hearing everyone try to pronounce his surname. 😁

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