Jordan Lewis’s views on Kossie

[dazzledavey36 54,938]

8 minutes ago, skills32 said:

Some of you guys crack me up.

No one knows what the  future will bring with kosi,

Point in case is Aaron Davey. At 16 years of age he had his sublime skills  but was as slow as a wet week. And look what happened there.

Relax and let it unfold

If it  happens you will enjoy it more,

Aaron Davey slow as a wet week? Do you actually know this for a fact? The Davey I saw in his debut season was imo one of the fastest players in the competition with his ability to just run down any opposition with his sublime closing speed.

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22 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Aaron Davey slow as a wet week? Do you actually know this for a fact? The Davey I saw in his debut season was imo one of the fastest players in the competition with his ability to just run down any opposition with his sublime closing speed.

I think skills point is that he didn't debut until 20/21 yo. So developed heaps in the years after he was 16. I didn't know of him before he came to us but its hard to think that sort of pace isn't pretty natural. Maybe he learnt how to use it better as he got older and more confident.

[Lil_red_fire_engine 11,177]

I see Picketts role to create opportunities through pressure acts and ground balls. He is not going to be a high volume possession getter nor are many in this type of role. It is also not unusual to look back at players in this role being a touch off in their first year seizing opportunities, which he was. The key for me is how many times he was at the right spot as well as how many times he was at the right spot in multiple points of a possession chain.

It is worth looking at for his first year his average pressure acts and ground ball gets against others in similar roles. Note I have excluded Cameron and Papley who I would suggest play more as leading forwards not pressure forwards. He is no guaranteed elite but for a first year he was above average in both and certainly has good numbers to become an elite in that role at minimum as he builds his endurance and strength..

Pickett; Pressure Acts 14.9, Ground Ball Gets 4.1, shots at goal total 26

D Rioli; 14.5, 2.9 , 23

Tippa; 14.3, 3.4, 32

Butters; 13.1, 5.1, 18

Butler; 16.3, 2.6, 45

[dazzledavey36 54,938]

9 minutes ago, Left Foot Snap said:

I think skills point is that he didn't debut until 20/21 yo. So developed heaps in the years after he was 16. I didn't know of him before he came to us but its hard to think that sort of pace isn't pretty natural. Maybe he learnt how to use it better as he got older and more confident.

The human body doesn't just go from slow as a wet weak at 16 years of age to being the fastest players in the competition at 20 years of old.

When Davey started his career, a lot of commentators would question him whether he he did athletics training as a kid and Davey would always put it down to chasing goannas in Darwin, and being naturally fast. 

Davey has always been naturally fast from day dot. He was a stick when he started and his speed as an 18/19 year old playing at Port Melbourne in the VFL is what really brought recruiters attention.

This whole notion of being very slow by Skills32 at that age is wrong.

[Deemania since 56 6,637]

On 1/21/2021 at 11:03 AM, DeeSpencer said:

Lewis also thinks the mop of strewn road kill attached to his head is similar to human hair.

Kossie might have the best defensive traits since Cyril. His anticipation, closing speed and desire for contact are all great. Time will tell if he has the class and finishing skills with the ball to be a two way star. 

Comparing the two is not quite valid. If there is a comparison in my mind between Kozzie and Cyril, it would be that the Hawk had a rather high level of self-confidence and attitude about himself and his team.

Kozzie, to me, is a little more humble than Cyril, based upon his game exhibitions and displayed confidence in own abilities.

I agree that he can impress with effort that is surprising albeit part of rare opportunities at this stage of our 'team' play. Hence, I additionally have been hoping for some time see the whole MFC team develop a bit of 'mongrel' - no, a 'helluva lot of mongrel' - as our future successes mount.

Cyril had the mongrel; only Vanders has mongrel in our recent history, with May proving useful in the background. Even Mr Silk (Aaron Davey) developed mongrel and became one of the fiercest tackling competitors in the League.

Maybe with this desirable footballing attribute, Kozzie might display bigtime mongrel, confidence, attitude and have his game skyrocket as a consequence. 'Kozzie the Mozzie' would be a very useful lethal weapon with that pace and desperation. 

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On 1/21/2021 at 12:07 PM, Ron Burgundy said:

Whether the comparison is appropriate or not, I feel that Lewis:

• has genuine faith in the quality and ability of this list; and

• has sufficient knowledge and experience to be able to hold, and express, a credible view on this.

 

Spot on, RB. With two very similar greats also in the new coaching triad; forget What'shisname .... Wingood?

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I actually thought he looked like he had the potential to be a Sonny Walters type rather than a Cyril type. He looked pretty comfortable when he played up the ground.

I’d be happy if he turned into a Cyril and proved me wrong though!

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On 1/21/2021 at 5:48 PM, DeeSpencer said:

Is there any evidence for this? He could be in the rehab group for a niggle or because he’s done a lot of work and needs to be held back.

Lewis says he’s tearing up the track. That doesn’t exactly correlate with remedial fitness work. 

I think  lord nev read spy at training, and thought it was a real training report, as the author of spy at training i can tell you kossie did not came last in the time trail.

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11 hours ago, Deemania since 56 said:

forget What'shisname .... Wingood?

Mate, you don't like Goodwin.  We get it.  You don't need to mention it in every thread.

[Lord Nev 13,512]

9 hours ago, don't make me angry said:

I think  lord nev read spy at training, and thought it was a real training report, as the author of spy at training i can tell you kossie did not came last in the time trail.

I think you have me confused matey.

[640MD 3,376]

14 hours ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

It is worth looking at for his first year his average pressure acts and ground ball gets against others in similar roles. Note I have excluded Cameron and Papley who I would suggest play more as leading forwards not pressure forwards. He is no guaranteed elite but for a first year he was above average in both and certainly has good numbers to become an elite in that role at minimum as he builds his endurance and strength..

Pickett; Pressure Acts 14.9, Ground Ball Gets 4.1, shots at goal total 26

D Rioli; 14.5, 2.9 , 23

Tippa; 14.3, 3.4, 32

Butters; 13.1, 5.1, 18

Butler; 16.3, 2.6, 45

These figures are as good as anyone.   No guarantees of course, but surely there is a reason to be optimistic rather than pessimistic. Especially now we have Chocco  to do a bit of one on one training and motivation.    

Glass half full    at least for this year      Go Dees.     not many days now to watch them run around.

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On 1/21/2021 at 10:19 AM, BW511 said:

I'm often wondering whether Cyril was an out and out super star or slightly overrated.

He definitely won some games for the Hawks, big ones too, but he was very quiet in a lot more games.

I think there's less and less room for players like that as each year goes by

 

 

He wouldn't have been as good in another team.  He played in a flag in his first season and ended up playing in a dominant Hawks era for his whole career.

He was a fantastic player, came along at the perfect time and was the cream on the cake of a great side.   

Overall  I would say he was overrated though.    Aaron Davey in that Hawks team would have been as good or better than Rioli.

 

Edited January 23, 2021 by Pickett2Jackson

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On 1/21/2021 at 11:37 AM, Lord Travis said:

 

Kozzie needs to get his fitness up before he can make a decent impact and fulfill his talents. He’s dead last on our list for fitness, to the point now where he’s being put into the rehab group at training because he can’t keep up.

There is no possible way you know this U made it up that's what am talking about you

[skills32 229]

22 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Aaron Davey slow as a wet week? Do you actually know this for a fact? The Davey I saw in his debut season was imo one of the fastest players in the competition with his ability to just run down any opposition with his sublime closing speed.

I am talking about when he was 16  yo.

I was the field umpire in quite a few of his games in the NTFL 

[skills32 229]

21 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

The human body doesn't just go from slow as a wet weak at 16 years of age to being the fastest players in the competition at 20 years of old.

When Davey started his career, a lot of commentators would question him whether he he did athletics training as a kid and Davey would always put it down to chasing goannas in Darwin, and being naturally fast. 

Davey has always been naturally fast from day dot. He was a stick when he started and his speed as an 18/19 year old playing at Port Melbourne in the VFL is what really brought recruiters attention.

This whole notion of being very slow by Skills32 at that age is wrong.

Mate I mentioned this to Dean Bailey who called Aaron over and asked  the question, Aaron admitted he did not run fast until later.

As the field umpire in some of his games I should know.

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On 1/21/2021 at 10:09 AM, nosoupforme said:

The expectation might be high however he has exquisite talent and a year under his belt will do him good. Lewis is  well respected has  the knowledge  to  compare Kossie.

I hope Lewis is right  because we might be in for an exciting year. 

If he is we might see the makings of one of the comps most potent forward lines!

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10 hours ago, 640MD said:

These figures are as good as anyone.   No guarantees of course, but surely there is a reason to be optimistic rather than pessimistic. Especially now we have Chocco  to do a bit of one on one training and motivation.    

Glass half full    at least for this year      Go Dees.     not many days now to watch them run around.

Is Mark Williams the second coming? 

What nuggets does he have that others don't for that training and motivation ye speake of?

[Bay Riffin 1,474]

On 1/23/2021 at 5:54 PM, big_red_fire_engine said:

I see Picketts role to create opportunities through pressure acts and ground balls. He is not going to be a high volume possession getter nor are many in this type of role. It is also not unusual to look back at players in this role being a touch off in their first year seizing opportunities, which he was. The key for me is how many times he was at the right spot as well as how many times he was at the right spot in multiple points of a possession chain.

It is worth looking at for his first year his average pressure acts and ground ball gets against others in similar roles. Note I have excluded Cameron and Papley who I would suggest play more as leading forwards not pressure forwards. He is no guaranteed elite but for a first year he was above average in both and certainly has good numbers to become an elite in that role at minimum as he builds his endurance and strength..

Pickett; Pressure Acts 14.9, Ground Ball Gets 4.1, shots at goal total 26

D Rioli; 14.5, 2.9 , 23

Tippa; 14.3, 3.4, 32

Butters; 13.1, 5.1, 18

Butler; 16.3, 2.6, 45

I agree the bolded above is the key. He is a natural at reading the play and should get better the more he plays with the same forward line. We still have a forward line finding its way. 

Edited January 24, 2021 by Bay Riffin

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Let’s face it most of us think he has the potential to be a star. We’ve had our share of misses trying to find small forwards and he appears the best of the lot. I’m also a Spargo fan and believe he will be best 22 this year

Edited January 24, 2021 by Roost it far

[JimmyGadson 3,455]

Lewis saying that some of the things Kosi does onfield remind him of the one and only Cyril Rioli? 

Hardly surprising. 

Not sure why some can't believe that comment, or have morphed it into a Cyril Vs Pickett debate. 

Pickett possess similar traits, without question. His evasiveness, reaction time and vision are all at the top top end. And they're traits that were stamped to Cyril. 

The ability to turn a contest at which your team is at a disadvantage into a win and then shot on goal. It's the pressure acts, the follow up and the delivery through vision that sets these guys apart. It's incredible to watch. 

There were a number of passages of play where Pickett produced those type of passages and as he gets fitter, stronger and more confident we'll only see more. 

Obviously the two players have differences and I'd argue that Cyril has him covered in some areas. I had the pleasure of watching Cyril play at Scotch College as a school boy. But that's not the point. It's that Pickett possesses some extremely rare and valuable attributes that all teams would be desperate for.

We're extremely fortunate to have him and watching his career unfold will be spectacular. 

 

 

 

Edited January 24, 2021 by JimmyGadson

[TheoX 1,222]

 Rioli actually got the ball, and kicked goals.

[skills32 229]

'This whole notion of being very slow by Skills32 at that age is wrong.'

DD- apology accepted

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

7 hours ago, TheoX said:

 Rioli actually got the ball, and kicked goals.

Yep, astute observation - even though Kossie’s still a young kid who has not yet developed a tank and was recruited on the basis of his future potential, let’s delist him immediately.

 

Edited January 25, 2021 by Ron Burgundy

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1 hour ago, Ron Burgundy said:

Yep, astute observation - even though Kossie’s still a young kid who has not yet developed a tank and was recruited on the basis of his future potential, let’s delist him immediately.

 

We haven't ?

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Players like Kozzie are almost the victim of the success of guys like Cyril, Flash, and Tippa where they burst onto the scene and inject something really special into their team and into the entire game. Kozzie is a great talent, he's shown enough for me to say that he's got the ability he just needs time. Not every great small forward in history is a gun the moment they step out for senior footy; he got involved in the games, got into dangerous spots, and provided pressure acts that we didn't have in 2019. 

With a year under his belt, hopefully a few of those chances he had will turn into goals, and I expect we'll see him creating more chances. As for Lewis's comments, good on him for giving a player a pump up but let's see what happens come round one.