Training - Wednesday 28th June, 2017

[Diamond_Jim 12,568]

Not sure that White's form at Casey has been that good. It's been okay but .....

[jumbo returns 6,741]

Hunt streaming towards goal....what a sight!

[beelzebub 23,348]

Just now, jumbo returns said:

Hunt streaming towards goal....what a sight!

He still can... following up on his tear away from HB 

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,752]

Not sure why we need to bring in an extra defender, unless Tom McD plays forward/ruck. We generally play with seven being three nominal talls (O Mac, T Mac and Frost) and four smalls (out of Hibberd, Jetta, Hunt, Salem, Melksham, Vince, Lewis, Wagner, Harmes). Even without Salem and Wagner, there are enough options for small defenders already - eg, Hibberd, Jetta, Hunt and Vince or Lewis. If Tom McDonald is to play ruck/forward, then I can see the reason for Wagner being picked.

I'd like to see JKH play on-ball (replacing Salem) and Kennedy taking Garlett's spot. I remain unconvinced that Kent has got the defensive side of his game up to standard. if Tom McD is to play forward, then Wagner might come in and Kennedy might miss out.

[Willmoy1947 4,085]

12 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Not sure why we need to bring in an extra defender, unless Tom McD plays forward/ruck. We generally play with seven being three nominal talls (O Mac, T Mac and Frost) and four smalls (out of Hibberd, Jetta, Hunt, Salem, Melksham, Vince, Lewis, Wagner, Harmes). Even without Salem and Wagner, there are enough options for small defenders already - eg, Hibberd, Jetta, Hunt and Vince or Lewis. If Tom McDonald is to play ruck/forward, then I can see the reason for Wagner being picked.

I'd like to see JKH play on-ball (replacing Salem) and Kennedy taking Garlett's spot. I remain unconvinced that Kent has got the defensive side of his game up to standard. if Tom McD is to play forward, then Wagner might come in and Kennedy might miss out.

I ,like you unconvinced on Kent, yet , but i reckon they will put him in. Swans are slowing down a bit and Hibberd and Hunt cause their Brains Trust no end of angst.........

[Cards13 9,117]

22 minutes ago, willmoy said:

I ,like you unconvinced on Kent, yet , but i reckon they will put him in. Swans are slowing down a bit and Hibberd and Hunt cause their Brains Trust no end of angst.........

He's best first up, hopefully if he is in he is the impact we need.

[Ted Lasso 19,510]

2 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

How about White in for Salem and Josh Wagner replaces Hunt at the back and Hunt goes forward

I like it saty, I just think our big advantage over the swans could be speed. The bombers made them look really slow at times. 

I reckon

salem, Garlett Out 

kennedy, Wagner in 

[Lil_red_fire_engine 11,166]

2 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Essendon caught out Sydney with speed forward of the ball and out the back, so why not Hunt as a forward

Hunt moved forward in the last 15 of the West Coast game (at least) and impacted a bucket load of contests. Would not be surprised with Jeffy out to see it happen. 

[monoccular 17,425]

 

2 hours ago, BAMF said:

Pretty sure he is saying that both White and Wagner come in to fill Hunt and Salems half back roles. Hunt would then play forward. It would mean a big change to our back 6. But I can see Satys logic. I really dont know about White though... 

Stability in the back 6 has been vital to our progress.  Not sure that there will be two changes there.

[brendan 3,437]

If Kent comes in I expect him to give his all, because if he doesn't when we have a full list he won't get back in Hannan has gone past him at this stage 

[Wolfmother 182]

2 hours ago, Robbie57 said:

I was at the game and it was their speed from half back that killed the swans but bear in mind once you turn inboard at the SCG  its a short distance to the goal. In fact they did what the swans used to do. I would keep Hunt back rather than forward.

The scg was extended a few years back and is only 4m shorter than the mcg( same width)

[sue 9,102]

51 minutes ago, Wolfmother said:

The scg was extended a few years back and is only 4m shorter than the mcg( same width)

It's true. Measure it on a satellite image, eg google earth/maps.

[hardtack 10,537]

3 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Not sure that White's form at Casey has been that good. It's been okay but .....

He was almost best on ground in last weekend's game against the previously undefeated Box Hill Hawks.  Played a very good strong game and his delivery was superb.

[Biffen 12,943]

Give Treacle Trengove a run!!

[dieter 3,325]

27 minutes ago, hardtack said:

He was almost best on ground in last weekend's game against the previously undefeated Box Hill Hawks.  Played a very good strong game and his delivery was superb.

He was great. So too was JKH and Kent.

[binman 42,899]

1 hour ago, monoccular said:

 

Stability in the back 6 has been vital to our progress.  Not sure that there will be two changes there.

Agree. Yes TMac has gone forward but Goody (and Roos before hm) is loathe to make changes down back, even during games. yes hunt went forward for a while but that is rare example. As an example our HB flankers Salem, Hunt  and Hibberd could all run through the midfield in the way Hannan, Trac and garlett do but rarely if ever do. Synergy is jut too important when using the zone defensive style we favour. 

I can't see hunt playing forward for that reason but also his meters gained is a critical element of our game plan. Opposition coaches would love for us to play him up forward for this reason. 

Wagner is the obvious replacement for Salem. And it will be either Kent or JKH for garlett. Kent is the more obvious choice but JKH has played so well in the last few weeks i won't be surprised if they reward that form. 

[The Chazz 4,077]

I wonder if JKH could be brought in to play a shutdown role on Mills. If not, I'd be sending ANB to him. Either way, shutting him down goes along way to us winning.

[SFebes 4,884]

So without reading the thread, who trained the house down better out off Kent, JKH and Kennedy?

[deespicable me 1,486]

23 minutes ago, SFebey said:

So without reading the thread, who trained the house down better out off Kent, JKH and Kennedy?

I thought Kent looked sharp. I've seen him a couple of trainings and he came back pre-season with a bit of pud, got injured for a while and has taken a while to get in good shape. I was thinking he is pretty close now.

Watts not there would make me think he is possibly two weeks away yet and may not get back for the game against Carlton.

Garlett and Jones both looked good, both probably step it up next week and both are a chance for the Blues, running at 75%.

Viney was interesting, he is still not 100% in the shoulder (in my opinion). They tested him with some bumps but he rolled his shoulder away on impact. I don't know anything about shoulder injuries so I'm not sure what the treatment is for his problem and whether it will be an ongoing problem or is nothing more than sore. Hopefully he doesn't have to carry it for the rest of the season.

 They may be rolling the dice a bit with him and considering what he is in for against the Swans mids on Friday I will be watching him closely and hoping like hell he can get through unscathed.

[Dees2014 2,377]

10 hours ago, Copuchas said:

Indeed it's not, although everything else being equal, I'd prefer Kent's bigger body against the Swans (provided of course that he's prepared to use it).   The team will need to be selected with maximum flexibility in mind this week as there's quite a few variables ie does TMac need to go back if Buddy gets off the chain on Frosty or OMac.  In that sense, I'm more comfortable with Kent's ability to role through the midfield if Hunt got swung forward for example, than I am with JKH's ability to make a major impact at half forward.  Similarly, Wagner probably a few more strings to his bow at this juncture than White.  For us to win, Lewis, Vince, Viney and Tyson will have to play to their full potential I think against Hanneberry, Kennedy, Parker and Heeney.

Interestingly, OMac was practising with the forwards group at training yesterday.  Apparently, Roos liked him as a forward, so maybe they are preparing him for just such a scenario above. Certainly would considerably enhance our flexibility. He is after all IMHO a longer kick and better overhead mark than his brother. It wouldn't surprise me if in the long term they want to develop Nietz type skills in him.

[Chook 15,012]

37 minutes ago, Dees2014 said:

Interestingly, OMac was practising with the forwards group at training yesterday.  Apparently, Roos liked him as a forward, so maybe they are preparing him for just such a scenario above. Certainly would considerably enhance our flexibility. He is after all IMHO a longer kick and better overhead mark than his brother. It wouldn't surprise me if in the long term they want to develop Nietz type skills in him.

That's all well and good but right now I only care about the short term...like, this Friday night short term.

[Pates 9,660]

I'm liking the calls to bring Wagner in and move Hunt forward. He looks very dangerous in the air and is a bit of a livewire, could he be used as a tagging role as well forcing his opponent to be more accountable?

His pace would surely worry a few defenders into some mistakes. 

[PaulRB 6,362]

3 hours ago, Dees2014 said:

Interestingly, OMac was practising with the forwards group at training yesterday.  Apparently, Roos liked him as a forward, so maybe they are preparing him for just such a scenario above. Certainly would considerably enhance our flexibility. He is after all IMHO a longer kick and better overhead mark than his brother. It wouldn't surprise me if in the long term they want to develop Nietz type skills in him.

Would make sense to have Tom shift back onto Buddy/Reid and Omac chance his hand and give us a target forward.

Edited June 28, 2017 by PaulRB

[nutbean 8,838]

I am in the minority - I like Hunt behind the ball, breaking the lines. Whilst I have no problem with him pinch hitting for small periods of time forward I don't like him in the tightest and most congested part of the ground. I believe his best value to the team is his running where he has some space to do so-  off half back or the wing.

[Gator 17,332]

1 hour ago, nutbean said:

I am in the minority - I like Hunt behind the ball, breaking the lines. Whilst I have no problem with him pinch hitting for small periods of time forward I don't like him in the tightest and most congested part of the ground. I believe his best value to the team is his running where he has some space to do so-  off half back or the wing.

I doubt anyone disagrees with you, but players need to be versatile and forward pressure has never been more important.  So, in the absence of your best pressure forward these types of moves come into play.