POST MATCH DISCUSSION - Round 7

[Pates 9,660]

JKH can't survive this week, while I don't think he's been as bad as what some of D-land feels he is ineffectual. Doesn't influence the contest, not enough forward pressure, and doesn't have that mercurial edge he first started with. Must be dropped for Kent. 

Bugg was another who appeared to do very little, the one passage of play I can remember from him was him trying to pass it instead of going for goal. Sometimes you need to be a little selfish in the forward line if the goals are on offer. 

[Watts the matter 1,235]

1 minute ago, dazzledavey36 said:

The last minute we had the opportunity to bomb straight into our forward 50. Vince wins the ball and handballs to Hibberd in the middle only for him to handball to a stationary target. 

Exactly why we have been a dumb football side for the past 10 years.

I was not at the game so hard for me to comment but the commentary said Hawthorn sent 4 extra players back and we didn't send any to match them up.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,271]

13 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Haven't seen the first half but JKH 13 disposals and 0 tackles.

That is surely all she wrote on that front.

Plus he missed a sitter of a goal which was really costly in the 3rd

[John Crow Batty 8,878]

2 minutes ago, Nasher said:

The same Adelaide that was down 64 points to 0 at quarter time? Righto.

This competition is ridiculously even, more even than I've ever seen it. The only club I fear at the moment is the Melbourne Football Club.

The competition is even because we let bottom clubs win. We will take their place.

[Maldonboy38 6,405]

5 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Why I continuously let this soft team ruin my weekends is beyond me. 

18 years I've watched us get destroyed by Burgoyne. Why the [censored] don't we man up? And why oh why do we insist on being the dumbest bunch of players who handball to stationary players? 

We have no leadership, no killer instincts. We let a team who is down and out come out and destroy us in a half because mentally we are weak. And it doesn't help that we are too [censored] stupid not to have 9 players go for a pack mark and NOBODY STAYS DOWN. 

I can understand inconsistency but I can't understand stupidity. We do the same thing over and over again and we don't learn. 

I agree Jaded, how was Burgoyne allowed so much room as the 2nd handball recieve out of contests? It ends up Salem and Bugg having to chase him and as old as he is, he is metres faster then them. 

The centre clearances in the last quarter were a slap in the face to our coaches and leaders. 

[sisso 2,580]

Have we ever won the Pink Lady match?

[brendan 3,437]

Anyone still think we can make finals?

i certainly don't I think similar to last year another development year will finish with around 10 wins, when you have 2 losses under a goal plus lose all our ruckman the footy gods are well against us this year 

[Nasher 33,617]

6 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

The last minute we had the opportunity to bomb straight into our forward 50. Vince wins the ball and handballs to Hibberd in the middle only for him to handball to a stationary target. 

Exactly why we have been a dumb football side for the past 10 years.

It's frustrating to see, but I try not to be too critical of individual plays like that when the players stress level would be through the roof. You have about half a second to decide what to do and the pressure is immense.

The limp arsed performance in the first quarter is what I'd be closely examining. It was team wide, and we only seem to be able to play 3 quarters of switched on footy at the moment. I'm tearing my hair out.

Edited May 7, 2017 by Nasher

[True Heart 115]

I'm looking forward to next week when we know it won't be a close game and it won't be so stressful. A easy 10 goal loss will be much more enjoyable.. 

[Roger Mellie 4,096]

9 minutes ago, Nasher said:

The same Adelaide that was down 64 points to 0 at quarter time? Righto.

This competition is ridiculously even, more even than I've ever seen it. The only club I fear at the moment is the Melbourne Football Club.

Adelaide, at home, after that loss? I think we are no chance.

[Ted Lasso 19,549]

3 minutes ago, Jaded said:

I'm disappointed with Goodwin as coach mostly because we have lost our defensive edge completely. I lost count of how many times Hawthorn were streaming forward in packs unmanned. 

 

Exactly we get opened up so easily by the opposition and score no more easily than we did last year. 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

Just now, brendan said:

Anyone still think we can make finals?

i certainly don't I think similar to last year another development year will finish with around 10 wins, when you have 2 losses under a goal plus lose all our ruckman the footy gods are well against us this year 

Of course we can.  We're in average form but with the how even the competition is we can certainly still play in September.  It will take a little luck and some changes from the boys in the way they go about it, but we aren't out of it yet.

[Jaded No More 68,972]

1 minute ago, Maldonboy38 said:

I agree Jaded, how was Burgoyne allowed so much room as the 2nd handball recieve out of contests? It ends up Salem and Bugg having to chase him and as old as he is, he is metres faster then them. 

The centre clearances in the last quarter were a slap in the face to our coaches and leaders. 

I feel like when I'm 90 I'll be going to Melbourne games yelling "who's on Burgoyne?"  I swear it's a recurring nightmare. As is watching our players handball directly into trouble and taking a [censored] eternity to kick the ball into the forward line, allowing every opposition player to get in there then run it out with ease. 

[leave it to deever 17,517]

1 minute ago, Pates said:

JKH can't survive this week, while I don't think he's been as bad as what some of D-land feels he is ineffectual. Doesn't influence the contest, not enough forward pressure, and doesn't have that mercurial edge he first started with. Must be dropped for Kent. 

Bugg was another who appeared to do very little, the one passage of play I can remember from him was him trying to pass it instead of going for goal. Sometimes you need to be a little selfish in the forward line if the goals are on offer. 

TOO late now. Kent kicked 3 goals in his first and only game and was dropped like a gun. Must have run over someones dog. 

 

[olisik 4,060]

Meanwhile in the VFL

 

Disposals - Melksham 30, Kennedy 26, Stretch 25, Trengove 22, Fritsch 22, White 21.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

1 minute ago, Abe said:

Exactly we get opened up so easily by the opposition and score no more easily than we did last year. 

Blame the players for that.  We had first hands on the footy more often than not, yet we just turned it over.  Goodwin wasn't kicking it poorly or making the bad decisions.

[ignition. 1,466]

5 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

The last minute we had the opportunity to bomb straight into our forward 50. Vince wins the ball and handballs to Hibberd in the middle only for him to handball to a stationary target. 

Exactly why we have been a dumb football side for the past 10 years.

 

Yep!

I think I was pulling my hair out watching that.

Instead of generating a mark inside our 50, a ground ball get, or stoppage.

He handballed it to a man in danger. Idiocy.

[beelzebub 23,382]

Can't wait for the official explanation. 

Why do we lose. We're overly inept where we ought to be capable.

Hospital handpassing, scattergun handpassing, wayward handpassing, unnecessary handpassing....

Hmmm a trend ???

All up at a mark ???

Kicking down opponents throats.

Watching the other team play !!!

Then of course there's picking players that just don't 'add' to the play/contest.

We're poor at starting games. Worse at finishing them.

Very disappointed.... again.

[The heart beats true 18,144]

3 minutes ago, Jaded said:

I'm disappointed with Goodwin as coach mostly because we have lost our defensive edge completely. I lost count of how many times Hawthorn were streaming forward in packs unmanned. 

 

But that's also what gives us the ability to score 7-8 goals in a quarter.

He wasn't on the ground in the first quarter when no player stood up and righted the sinking ship. At some point the players need to get their hands on the footy and give us some clean possession. No one can coach for a team that doesn't hit targets and show some composure.

You may well be right about him, but I need to see the next 6 weeks. Not sure if it's the gameplan, or the cattle - but the last few years it's clearly been the cattle so I'm inclined to look at them.

[Ted Lasso 19,549]

Just now, Wiseblood said:

Blame the players for that.  We had first hands on the footy more often than not, yet we just turned it over.  Goodwin wasn't kicking it poorly or making the bad decisions.

This is true wise but they open us up from kick outs as well, we are clearly still learning how to effectively implement a zone for 4 quarters 

[Biffen 12,944]

Worst part was watching the usual piles of scum turning back the clock.

I hate Gunston more than is rational- seems as likeable as a tapeworm.

My hatred of them should have been enough to get us over the line today.

[Watts the matter 1,235]

2 minutes ago, olisik said:

Meanwhile in the VFL

 

Disposals - Melksham 30, Kennedy 26, Stretch 25, Trengove 22, Fritsch 22, White 21.

Not much to get excited about there. Stretch is the only one I would actually want in the team.

[ICU2 Jerry Jerry 257]

Hawthorn have been the author of all of Melbourne's pain in the last 35 years

The Supporters know it, the Hawks players know it the Demon players seem oblivious to it. They've had their turn. Our players need an attitude check. Like the dogs I want our players to play with the supporters in mind for a change.

35 years of [censored]

 

[Sir Why You Little 37,120]

Why do other AFL CLubs learn quicker and more thoroughly than the MFC?

the first half was deplorable. 

Why should 40,000 members be subjected to such Junk?

Why?

[titan_uranus 25,042]

5 minutes ago, Jaded said:

I'm disappointed with Goodwin as coach mostly because we have lost our defensive edge completely. I lost count of how many times Hawthorn were streaming forward in packs unmanned. 

Is that a coaching issue?

Instead of continually saying we have a coaching issue (whether it was Bailey, Neeld, Roos or Goodwin), I'd have thought it's far more likely it's a player issue. We just aren't capable of bringing AFL-level intensity for four quarters.

Despite being 3-4, our percentage remains over 100%, so I don't think we have a defensive problem. 

There is a solid argument we should be 7-0. We haven't been "out" of any of our losses. 

I don't think anyone can say we've got something fundamentally wrong with our defensive system or our gameplan or something like that. When we're "on", we're really, really good. We just cannot stay "on" for four quarters and we're losing games because of it.