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Thought there might be something to this when our name popped up last week. Gave me Lachie Hunter vibes from last years trade period.

We need mature depth so not against this if he comes cheaply from a draft capital perspective. Has an excellent field kick on him. Can see him playing high half forward/wing with an occasional centre square attendance.

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56 minutes ago, binman said:

The top ten in the 2013 draft makes for interesting reading:

  1. Tom Boyd - Giants 
  2. Josh Kelly - Giants (pick traded from Melbourne)
  3. Jack Billings - Saints
  4. Marcus Bontempelli  - Bulldogs 
  5. Kade Kolodjashnij - Gold Coast
  6. Matthew Scharenberg - Collingwood 
  7. James Aish  - Lions
  8.  Luke McDonald - Roos
  9. Christian Salem - Dees (mid first round compensation pick from 2010 traded from Giants)
  10.  Nathan Freeman - Collingwood 

Dees end up with three top 10 picks from that draft!   

(note: we picked up hunt and traded in Dom Tyson as part of the pick swap that saw Kelly go to the Giants and Salo to us. A Paul Roos call)

Gee, that really was a mixed bag of a top 10.

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3 hours ago, Red But Mostly Blue said:

It's probably already been posted, but this is a good article on Jack - why he hasn't been chased harder during the trade period, and also does a deep drive into his performance to date.

https://www.zerohanger.com/why-arent-clubs-chasing-jack-billings-stkilda-saints-afl-trade-period-144137/

In the article, it's mentioned that he's clearly talented, but seems to have regressed and has definitely failed to live up to the hype.  Lots of the chat here reminded me of one of our most famous 'never-met-potential' Jacks. 

BUT - it is also mentioned that he has been a little unlucky with injuries, 3 coaches and a lack of certainty about club direction, where he plays. So he would benefit from clearer positioning/role and some luck with injuries etc.

He's on approx $500k, contracted for the next 2 years.

I guess the question is do we need another small/medium half forward??? Who goes out? 

Great article. Love the final sentences. 
 

Where will Billings land, though?

That's the future fourth-round question.

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9 minutes ago, Demon Jack said:

Not to say we wouldn't do our due diligence, but St Kilda seem a bit too eager to see him out the door.

Still, seems a low risk, high reward bit of business. 

Many had the same concerns about Hunter this very day last year, but we managed to get 24 games out of him.

I'm confident we've done our due diligence if we end up getting him.

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3 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

I sense that getting Billings would represent a concession that we’re unlikely to be able to pick up Harley Reid in this draft.

Not sure if means anything on our chances of moving up to get Reid.

I assume we will want to slide our pick in the 40s lower and/or give up a future fourth round pick for Billings, as we need to preserve our future second and third round picks in order to be allowed to trade our future first round pick. Picking up Billings might mean that we think Kynan Brown is only worth a rookie pick, as we might not have enough senior list spots.

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24 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

I think Salem is a high half back only. It is the easiest position on the ground and suits his exceptional ability to read the play and hit targets.

He does not have the engine required to play ANB's role or play wing and I don't think he is big enough or quick enough to play inside midfield.

 

Fair points.

The key for salo is some luck with injury and the thyroid stuff.

If he has an uninterrupted preseason i'm confident he will get back to his best. If he does it will almost be like having a new recruit. 

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B - McVee, May, Lever

HB - Rivers, Tomlinson, Salem

C- Langdon, Oliver, Hunter

HF - McAdam, van Rooyen, Pickett

F - Fritsch, Petty, Billings

Ruck - Gawn, Petracca, Viney

Int - Chandler, Neal-Bullen, Bowey, Woewodin

23rd - Fullerton/Smith

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1 minute ago, SthSea22 said:

B - McVee, May, Lever

HB - Rivers, Tomlinson, Salem

C- Langdon, Oliver, Hunter

HF - McAdam, van Rooyen, Pickett

F - Fritsch, Petty, Billings

Ruck - Gawn, Petracca, Viney

Int - Chandler, Neal-Bullen, Bowey, Woewodin

23rd - Fullerton/Smith

Brayshaw over Woewodin & Sparrow over Chandler for mine.

But agree that with McAdam in Petracca should move back to starting mid.

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1 minute ago, IRW said:

Another small body ..just what they dont need.

When has any player  thrived/ reached their potential after trading to the Dee's.. ?

Names please? Take your time 

 

Steven May? Michael Hibberd? Ed Langdon? Jake Lever? 

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3 minutes ago, IRW said:

 

When has any player  thrived/ reached their potential after trading to the Dee's.. ?

Names please? Take your time 

 

May, Lever, Hibbo, Langdon... just a few PREMIERSHIP players who reached their potential after being traded to Melbourne.

But by all means lets just keep taking a dump on our club

 

@DistrACTION Jackson beat me to it! 

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Just now, Jaded No More said:

May, Lever, Hibbo, Langdon... just a few PREMIERSHIP players who reached their potential after being traded to Melbourne.

But by all means lets just keep taking a dump on our club

Seriously... why be a supporter haha

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1 minute ago, IRW said:

Another small body ..just what they dont need.

When has any player  thrived/ reached their potential after trading to the Dee's.. ?

Names please? Take your time 

 

Well one that immediately comes to mind is another 'small body'.

Brian Wilson started his career at the dogs, went to the roos before landing at the dees where he played 150 plus games.

And won a Brownlow.

Was that quick enough? 

I've got more if needed.

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5 minutes ago, IRW said:

Another small body ..just what they dont need.

When has any player  thrived/ reached their potential after trading to the Dee's.. ?

Names please? Take your time 

 

 

3 minutes ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

Steven May? Michael Hibberd? Ed Langdon? Jake Lever? 

Jake Melksham

Bernie Vince a 20's pick won a B&F. 

Vardy

Stephen Powell did more than alright

To name just a few

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11 minutes ago, SthSea22 said:

B - McVee, May, Lever

HB - Rivers, Tomlinson, Salem

C- Langdon, Oliver, Hunter

HF - McAdam, van Rooyen, Pickett

F - Fritsch, Petty, Billings

Ruck - Gawn, Petracca, Viney

Int - Chandler, Neal-Bullen, Bowey, Woewodin

23rd - Fullerton/Smith

I'm all for us getting Billings. More likely a better choice than pick 42.

B: McVee, May, Lever

HB: Rivers, D.Turner, Bowey

C; Langdon, Oliver, Hunter

HF: Petracca, van Rooyen, Neal-Bullen

F: Fritsch, Petty, Smith

FOLL: Gawn, Brayshaw, Viney

IC: Salem, Sparrow, McAdam, Billings

SUB: Chandler

EMERG: Spargo, Woewodin, Fullerton

 

Pickett comes in the week after Billings or McAdam under the pump.

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