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Demons Grand Plan for Yarra Park Training HQ

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27 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Why cant we just train on the MCG?     We are the original tenant. We started playing there in the 1800's for gods sake.

It's just not gonna happen unfortunately. Even if it did preseason would be an issue with the MCG hosting cricket

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16 minutes ago, praha said:

The Greens and locals in East Melbourne won't like this. Unless an unmarked envelope is involved.

Agreed, there would be enormous push back from the locals, greens, and also perhaps the indigenous population.

Yarra Park is regarded as sacred ground.

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The proposed parkland is where the club held its family day this season. It is a great location and much better suited to being an open park and oval. The only drawback is it is on quite a slope so no jokes about downhill skiers plaease.

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26 minutes ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

But will there be a social club to keep the plebians away from those snooty folk in the Northern Stand?

...and somewhere to let my hair down post 2019....

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48 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

What a sensational prospect.  A real 'Home'. 

Can we ever thank Peter Jackson enough.

Sir Peter if this gets pulled off.

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2 minutes ago, Win4theAges said:

Sir Peter if this gets pulled off.

If he seals the deal i am happy to volunteer for the job. 

😏

 

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You can run it across that corner of land and pretty much fit it in without losing many trees. The trees that would be lost could be replaced with native varieties. 

It would stop an area being used as a car park (a dying trend anyway) and replace it with an oval that can be used for a functional purpose whilst still maintaining a park feel.

Pretty much all you are doing is levelling an area of grass, fencing it and painting a few lines.

With the right approach it should be allowed to happen. 

Getting the funding, planning and design of the building over the train line should be the harder part of the project!

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8 minutes ago, hemingway said:

Agreed, there would be enormous push back from the locals, greens, and also perhaps the indigenous population.

Yarra Park is regarded as sacred ground.

the business case for the Council would presumably run along the lines that with reduced car park revenue the Council will need to replace that money in order to maintain the park etc etc. So we would rent the oval for an agreed amount.

The development over the rail lines will stand or fall in the first instance as to whether trains need to be re-scheduled for building works. Then there is the acquisition cost issue that the Government will need to subsidize or forego.Finally there is the additional build cost by such a site.

A bridge too far or a a mountain too tall spring to mind but let's see.

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Interesting when you look at google maps to see why we play better on narrow grounds and collingwood and Richmond play better on grounds the size of MCG.

collingwoods training ground is exact size of mcg playing surface and Richmond’s is similar, Goschs is super narrow!

bring on our new facility ASAP!

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I love this idea, being from the northern suburbs this is far more accessible and is as close to the G as we're likely to get. Far prefer this to anything in the eastern suburbs or Docklands.

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Who owns the land the Yarra City Council or MCG?

edit: apologies...just saw it’s council land.

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1 hour ago, SFebey said:

Interesting. How does a footy oval fit there though? I’ll look on google later. Will cost a mint to develop?

 

34 minutes ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

I thought about this spot but surely there isnt enough space

 

28 minutes ago, hells bells said:

I know someone who has been working on this.

There will be enough space.

from what I’ve seen/heard it’s very exciting.

Sounds a great idea, but if i remember correctly isn't this quite a sloping site?  So one would need to either dig at the northern end or build up at the southern end or both.

I just can't envisage the loonie left Greens allowing it though.

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51 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Why cant we just train on the MCG?     We are the original tenant. We started playing there in the 1800's for gods sake.

How about during the off-season, I imagine it would clash with the cricket?

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1 minute ago, monoccular said:

 

 

Sounds a great idea, but if i remember correctly isn't this quite a sloping site?  So one would need to either dig at the northern end or build up at the southern end or both.

I just can't envisage the loonie left Greens allowing it though.

The plan obviously involves taking care of the slope. 😀😀

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21 minutes ago, hemingway said:

Agreed, there would be enormous push back from the locals, greens, and also perhaps the indigenous population.

Yarra Park is regarded as sacred ground.

Where the MCG current is? And it’s a car park most weekends? That sacred site?

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24 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

One has to try but it's not a good time to be asking.

Look at the complaints State governments are getting regarding stadium developments in Melbourne and Sydney.

To make these schemes work you need to take a complex that has a cost to Council and say we will maintain it in return for using it for x hours and then it is public space for the remainder. Yarra Park doesn't meet the criteria.

Gosch's paddock on the other does albeit that it is not a great site. Another example is the Magpies with the old greyhound track.

Why doesn't it meet the criteria?

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10 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

the business case for the Council would presumably run along the lines that with reduced car park revenue the Council will need to replace that money in order to maintain the park etc etc. So we would rent the oval for an agreed amount.

The development over the rail lines will stand or fall in the first instance as to whether trains need to be re-scheduled for building works. Then there is the acquisition cost issue that the Government will need to subsidize or forego.Finally there is the additional build cost by such a site.

A bridge too far or a a mountain too tall spring to mind but let's see.

As a great man recently said... why not us.. this will happen.

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8 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

the business case for the Council would presumably run along the lines that with reduced car park revenue the Council will need to replace that money in order to maintain the park etc etc. So we would rent the oval for an agreed amount.

The development over the rail lines will stand or fall in the first instance as to whether trains need to be re-scheduled for building works. Then there is the acquisition cost issue that the Government will need to subsidize or forego.Finally there is the additional build cost by such a site.

A bridge too far or a a mountain too tall spring to mind but let's see.

A professional quality oval for community use would be a huge win for the council. Especially with the rise of Women's footy. They'd have no problems finding clubs to allocate it to. 

The development over the train tracks comes down to whether it will be approved for apartments next to our site.

You put a few apartment buildings and you've got a council rates bonanza. That's the income councils love. Shutting down the trains for a select period of time to build over the eye saw that is exposed tracks and create useful community space and housing. That's a win win. 

Then Melbourne build next door with a community oval, medical facilities, maybe even make the gym public use outside of certain hours, some form of Indigenous cultural centre - pretty much you are doing the council a favour!

 

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1 minute ago, Beetle said:

Who owns the land the Yarra City Council or MCG?

Yarra Park is within the Melbourne City Council boundaries.  But I believe Yarra Park is Crown Land so owned by the Vic Gov.  Not sure if they need Council permits to change the use of Crown Land but the Gov would need to deal with managing public lobby groups etc.

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In the OP out says the article states northeastern corner, but the image shown in the next post is the northwestern corner...

Can someone clarify?

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1 minute ago, DeeSpencer said:

A professional quality oval for community use would be a huge win for the council. Especially with the rise of Women's footy. They'd have no problems finding clubs to allocate it to. 

The development over the train tracks comes down to whether it will be approved for apartments next to our site.

You put a few apartment buildings and you've got a council rates bonanza. That's the income councils love. Shutting down the trains for a select period of time to build over the eye saw that is exposed tracks and create useful community space and housing. That's a win win. 

Then Melbourne build next door with a community oval, medical facilities, maybe even make the gym public use outside of certain hours, some form of Indigenous cultural centre - pretty much you are doing the council a favour!

There is already a precedent for this.  Esternwick station was redeveloped along these lines about 20 years ago. 

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1 minute ago, deanox said:

In the OP out says the article states northeastern corner, but the image shown in the next post is the northwestern corner...

Can someone clarify?

It's northeastern, near Wellington Pde and Hoddle St/Punt rd

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For what it’s worth I always thought Fawlkner Park would be an option, mentioned it in another thread about facilities, will settle with Yarra Park though 😁👍

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39 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

In your dreams... The annexation of public parkland (sure we call it a car park) for an elite sporting code...

Even over in Royal Park there was enormous pushback to the hospital expansion.

Good ambit claim

Comments below article in The Hun have some up in arms that the govt would be giving up public park space to a football club. Not really accurate at all, as it would value add to the park and only be used by club during training times. I'm guessing it would have a basic fence like Goschs. Assuming there is no building proposed on parkland and there are no decent sized trees involved, I can't see the problem. Goschs Paddock oval could even have its posts and fence removed to make it less of a sports ground.

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