POSTGAME: Rd 21 vs Collingwood

[Beetle 4,281]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

10 minutes to go in the final quarter, crowd at a fever pitch, less than a goal in it and this slob of a nuffie sitting near us decides to have a go at my brother for taking the Lord's name in vain! My sister said she felt like we were in a zoo and I said yep let's get out of here so watched the last 10 minutes in standing room up the back.

It was legitimately outrageous and no doubt intimidating for a lot of people.

I don’t like being put in those situations, but (without trying to sound like a [censored]) can handle myself. It was remarkable how quickly they backed down and wanted to make friends when confronted.

One second quacking like a duck to antagonise to “oh I hope you guys beat Carlton” like little [censored] within a split second. Absolute heroes.

 

[Demon Dynasty 15,404]

Just now, John Crow Batty said:

Need more from CP5. Has provided nowhere near the drive of last season. Contested possessions, marks, tackles and scoring way down on last season. 

I would agree re scoring but i'm surprised on the others as the stats i keep each year (weighted averages) have him up 10% on last season (up to last week)?

[John Crow Batty 8,255]

Dismayed again we couldn’t get our Sub on in the last quarter. Harmes could have made a difference given the several passengers we had.

[DubDee 20,570]

Form over the last ten games - you need to go all the way down to the crows in the bottom 4 to find a worse form team

[DeezNuts 624]

A week is a long time in footy.. especially the long break after a loss..

[layzie 28,718]

That's value for money 

[Bates Mate 3,818]

16 minutes ago, John Crow Batty said:

Dismayed again we couldn’t get our Sub on in the last quarter. Harmes could have made a difference given the several passengers we had.

Agree, every other club has caught up with the fact you can sub out a player and say they are injured just as Collingwood did tonight with Hoskin Elliott who had 4 touches until he got " injured" late in the 3rd

[picket fence 15,127]

2 hours ago, Deecisive said:

Elliot and Johnson kicked 8 of their goals, that is where we lost it. Elliot seemed to get a free kick everytime he tackled a player and stripped them of the ball, a different umpire and that would be a different situation.  That is where the main difference was. we had a more even goal kicking performance with no one standing up and kicking a bag full.

let collingwood get ahead of themselves. the more there winning streak goes for the greater the chance of it coming to an end. We were not disgraced, we did not do as well as we should/could have but thats football, hopefully next time we play them in the finals, their big head will get the best of them and we will overrun them. hopefully we learn from todays loss, as it seems to resemble quite a few of our other loses this year.

Nup we were pathetic, short and sweet correct! Simple misses costly! Lacking killer instinct!

[Deenooos_ 647]

Looking back it was a pathetic performance.

The only positive is that the two ladder leaders are now two victorian clubs who will likely play their home QF at the "G".

We can still finish 2nd if we win both upcoming games but if we don't 15-7 is likely to finish us 3rd or 4th. This means we play at the G either way in the QF.

My concern would have been having to play QF's in other states against Bris, Freo or Syd but that won't happen.

Let's just hope our form is good enough to win the first QF and we'll be alright.

[Gawndy the Great 7,334]

I think we are unbeatable when we get the game on our terms, but we are less than a 50/50 proposition otherwise.

Teams that leave a lose defender in our d50 would now be considered bordering on tanking given our fragility when all manned up. So we can expect this for every game left this season. It’s funny, when we are one-on-one in d50 our dream defensive setup doesn’t look as great as it did last year. It has been nullified. 

Our demise is usually bought on with unrelentless pressure all over the ground, fast and risky ball movement through the corridor. Sydney, Doggies, Geelong and now Collingwood (twice) have done this to us. 

They take the outside position in the contest, because they can prey on us to cough up a turnover. Sure, it doesn’t always work and when we break stoppage we hurt them. 

We are in dire need of an adjustment. Is it more pressure from us? Maybe. Is it better execution; sure that would help. I detest Chris Scott, but I applaud his bravery to make such a change to  his game plan. And with the other teams in top 4 playing a similar way, makes you wonder if we still have the winning formula. 

[TheWiz 692]

Insipid performance for Jim 

[mo64 5,209]

1 hour ago, dee-tox said:

So many occasions where we bombed to the pocket rather than use a hit up target. Likes of Pickett and Langdon were often 15 metres clear and not used. 

I understand where there are no options we tend to go to the pocket to try and lock it in but players need to back their judgement and go with best option.

This. We are so predictable that it becomes infuriating. We don't take advantage of our clearance dominance.

[chook fowler 18,224]

The filth are mentally stronger than us and I am as mad as hell. We should have had them put away by half time but bad kicking kept them in it. Max should not have missed those easy set shots and Melksham didn’t make the most of his opportunities. Too many players play a good quarter and then disappear. Hope they are having a good hard look at themselves because tonight was unacceptable.

[Deenooos_ 647]

1 hour ago, CYB said:

I think we are unbeatable when we get the game on our terms, but we are less than a 50/50 proposition otherwise.

Teams that leave a lose defender in our d50 would now be considered bordering on tanking given our fragility when all manned up. So we can expect this for every game left this season. It’s funny, when we are one-on-one in d50 our dream defensive setup doesn’t look as great as it did last year. It has been nullified. 

Our demise is usually bought on with unrelentless pressure all over the ground, fast and risky ball movement through the corridor. Sydney, Doggies, Geelong and now Collingwood (twice) have done this to us. 

They take the outside position in the contest, because they can prey on us to cough up a turnover. Sure, it doesn’t always work and when we break stoppage we hurt them. 

We are in dire need of an adjustment. Is it more pressure from us? Maybe. Is it better execution; sure that would help. I detest Chris Scott, but I applaud his bravery to make such a change to  his game plan. And with the other teams in top 4 playing a similar way, makes you wonder if we still have the winning formula. 

So much for our dynasty team. We have some of the best talent in the comp.

it’s taken the Opposition 1 year to figure out how to beat us, our defence looks absolutely terrible now when teams play fast against.

something in our method has to change for us to be dominant, especially next year. 

[deva5610 970]

5 hours ago, Fork 'em said:

Everytime we got a mark at CHF we stop and let them fill up the forward line before we kick to a pack in the bloody pocket.

Not just CHF. It's across the ground. I'm not sure why but we cannot or we refused to play quick football.

It was insane watching the amount of free players we had forward of the ball while one of our blokes held it up waiting for Gawn to position himself somewhere along the boundary.

Predictable crap every single time.

But yes. Getting the ball at CHF and bombing to the pocket while we had blokes on their own dead centre from the goals happened way too many times as well.

It was a good game to watch, both teams played until the last minute but by god we should've had it done and dusted at half time.

Frustrating.

My other question is - We kick to Gawn/BBB seemingly 99 times out of 100. Where are our crumbers waiting at the front for when the oppo inevitably spoil the ball every single time. Nowhere, that's where.

[Deenooos_ 647]

We're absolutely cooked and it's hard to watch us play right now when we dish up performances like that and the one against the dogs game. We don't look like a premiership winning team at all, it's as if we didn't play in the finals last year. A bit of opposition pressure and we melt under it.

I don't even know what our gameplan is anymore. It just seems like the coaches are insane, continuously doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

If we don't like shootouts then we need to learn how to win them because finals footy simply won't always be a smashing like last year where we flew past the opposition. There'll be games in September which go down to the wire with either a Geelong, Sydney or Collingwood. We can't expect to play every game on our terms and dominate everyone, it just seems arrogant and completely senseless.

We seem unable to wrestle back momentum in games the same way we were able to last year. Once we lose control we can't regain it, so frustrating.

[rufus 916]

5 hours ago, John Crow Batty said:

Need more from CP5. Has provided nowhere near the drive of last season. Contested possessions, marks, tackles and scoring way down on last season. 

I know he's won a Norm Smith and had a good year last year, but I've just always felt he's a bit overrated. He still fumbles whenever under hard physical pressure, something that players usually get out of their game as they mature physically, and with his body size you'd expect him to have no problem with that.

He is Dangerfield-esque with his defensive efforts, which isn't a great look for his teammates. And i find it hard to remember a time where he's ever actually in genuine 50/50 contests in dangerous spots on the ground.

Edited August 5, 2022 by rufus

[Clintosaurus 6,427]

Is Goody starting Dogga in the ruck to show him he's not a starting ruck yet? Not sure why Maxy is not there at the first bounce.

[Kick_It_To_Pickett 2,930]

Woke up, still livid. How did we let that slip. Pretty simple. We kicked ourselves out of the game. Failed to capitalise. Won all the key indicators but the main one, the scoreboard. The forward line connection is still our biggest issue. Midfield held their end up last night, but DeGoey in the last quarter was given too much space. Would have loved to sub Harmes in for a tag on him. Gawny has to work on his goal kicking. He had a method that was working. He now runs out so far to the right in an unnatural way. Brown at ground level is useless, but he nails his shots. We miss TMAC so bad. I think we need Van Rooyen or Smith to play the half forward role to allow Brown to stay deep. Neither Jackson nor Gawn seem to be able to play forward and impact. Not in the way Peter Wright and Lobb do. I don’t see us winning the GF, but we get to finals and give ourselves a shot and doing something special. Will the manic pressure return in a final ? Perhaps! It was severely lacking last night. No killer instinct 

[dees189227 10,762]

Ugh who else is waking up thinking last night was an absolute nightmare?

Collingwood have become the talk of the town again and the worst thing could happen. A Geelong v Collingwood grand final

[Wells 11 4,699]

We consistently miss too many easy frikn critical goals . Gawn missed 3 of them FFS. Can’t have any player doing that let alone the skipper. But trac missed two he normally would get, fritta and  kozzi an absolutely critical one. I just can’t see a way to fix this now . we’ve become a team that is consistently sloppy and wasteful  in front of goal and have been fr a while. it’s prob costing us another decent shot at a flag. 

[Wells 11 4,699]

4 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

Ugh who else is waking up thinking last night was an absolute nightmare?

Collingwood have become the talk of the town again and the worst thing could happen. A Geelong v Collingwood grand final

yes. i’ve woken also with a sinking feeling . A./ when u lose a game u should have won . But  also, and worse, B./   recognising that when push come to shove, and the whips are really cracking,    we’re really just not that good this year. Hunger? luck? bad kicking? umpires?  a bit of all of it = just not that good. ie close but no cigar in 2022. 

[Boots and all 894]

7 hours ago, Deecisive said:

What i would like to see is our forwards actually work together when someone is kicking the ball into the forward 50 we have 3 or 4 players who can mark who all should be leading in different directions instead of all standing still. other players should be helping to run interference or clear areas so that our forwards have space to run into, or they drag their players away from the contest to give our forwards a better chance of marking. instead we kick it deep into a forward pocket, i still dont understand why you dont go to the front of the goal square or have players leading up. need to work together to give the kicker options to go to.  We have a massive number of inside 50's but our crumbing forwards did bugger all, one goal was the best we got out of any of them, which is not great considering the number chances they had.

I think the point of going into the pocket is to prevent a clean outlet by their defence, forcing the dump kick and being set up behind the ball to create repeat entries. I also think this requires pressure from our small forwards in particular. There were only a couple of periods where this seemed to work as the Pies kept mopping up the loose ball and finding targets outside 50. Not sure if this was due to lack of pressure in the F50, not being properly set up behind the ball or both.

[dees189227 10,762]

Also the Collingwood young players nailed there tackles, ours missed them or just didn't bother

[DemonOX 8,530]

Well that was frustrating to watch. 

Positives

We played their style better than last round which is good. The collywobbles seem to play similarly to julong so come finals we know we can play well against them we just have to put it together on the day. 

BB seems to have found some form  

Negatives.

Connection forward of centre although it is getting better.

Goal kicking, WTF is going on with Gawns routine. He seemed to improve last year but he wasted FOUR opportunities and all getable. He runs out to the right and nearly every time the ball goes wide out to the right or left but very rarely through the big sticks. 
if Gawn is going to play forward he needs to kick GOALS FFS. 
This needs to be fixed NOW or it will cost us a final. 

Kozzie and Fritta missed goals which also cost us.

We should have been 6+ goals up but we weren’t and that cost us big time. 

Finally, I miss TMac.