CHANGES: Rd 20 vs Fremantle

[Demon3 2,541]

15 hours ago, Boots and all said:

Would switching Hibbo onto a flank and Salem into the back pocket be sensible? We're not getting much drive from Salem at present.

I wouldnt want Salem close to the oppo goals. He is the elephant in the room for me at the moment. 

[Demon3 2,541]

2 hours ago, bluey said:

I don’t know what Mark Williams does.

He seems to sit back in the bleachers, chewing gum, not talking to anybody.

One man too many enjoying the view when he could be in the box.

Seems to be heading down the same path as Macca.

We will have a mini shake up in the Coaches box next year.. im pretty confident Ooze will be down to the last couple for the GWS job, and Chocco might get poached by North to perform a developing role.

[Deespicable 2,548]

I am pretty confident we will put in a strong showing against Freo on our favourite away ground, but I am still mega worried that our conservative set-up out of defence will continue, enabling Freo to chop us off.

The Dockers have plenty of strong marks, as we saw at the MCG in May, and we can't just continue to go left, left and left again. The issue is huge because the Cats and Doggies exploited our tactic and what's worse, it generally is Langdon's side and his value is his run, not his marking ability. Ideally what we need to do is to be switching to his wing because that's his strength, not going out to his side from kick-ins.

Clearly we have a problem of confidence in our right-side and as good as James Jordon has been in terms of work rate, he is not providing line-breaking runs or marking safety marking intercepts.

Given he also has an injury and is 50-50, it is time to trial a new player on the wing. To me their is only one strong-marking tall that has the speed and tackling ability to shock the Dockers - Luke Jackson. Yes it means Gawn has to ruck for longer, but his tapping ability in the last term against the Dogs was phenomenal and we need his presence against Darcy and Lobb. Our other options is to bring in pace on the near-side wing, but to me, getting Jackson more involved and using his height-advantage will present problems for the Dockers and give us a viable right-side aerial outlet.

The counter-argument is that it's too late in the season to make changes, but that's been our policy all season - our only fundamental difference to last season has been changing Angus to defence which was brought on by injuries pre-season.

Playing Jackson on the wing allows us to include Ben Brown without having to drop the Weid. Lever's returns most likely means Tomlinson misses.

The other issue is that Rivers has had two games back and is yet to provide heaps of run. I am sure he can play, but unfortunatelt this is his growth year via the VFL. He has to either learn to be the third tall defender or be given clear instructions to take the game on and become a weapon like a Bailey Dale. Neither seems to have happened as yet.

One of Bowey or Hunt has to come back in for Rivers and I think Bowey's game in the VFL was exceptional, so i'd err towards him and make Hunt the sub, so that he can provide value down back or up front if called into that role.

The final change is tricky - Chandler has to play. He's been close so many times but he deserves his shot in the big league more than any other player and it can't be as sub - he has to play. As a result a hard call has to be made on Spargo, ANB, Harmes or Melky - all of whom had their moments against the Dogs. If it's wet I'd leave out Melky, but I'd pencil him back in for the game against the Pies. 

I also think we have to better utilise Harmes, who had a shocker against the Dogs, highlighted by his appalling kick to Melky in the second term. To me Harmes provides run in the middle and we have to use him more in there and a hard-tag on Brayshaw will suit him. That means Trac has to spend more time forward. but that's what happens when you aren't quite doing the superstar stuff in the middle of the park. 

So for me, it's time to get bigger and less predictable.

In: Lever, B.Brown, Bowey, Chandler and Hunt as sub

Out: Jordon (inj), Tomlinson, Rivers, Melky

[picket fence 15,171]

"Pickett kicked 6 last week and 2 last night. He is inconsistent but he has absolute star quality and is so dangerous, he threatens to take every game apart. I can't see him being dropped".

If you miss easy goals from 35 out something is massively wrong with his set shot routine. That miss swung momentum and became a 2 goal turnaround. Unforgivable really!

Lever, BBB, Hunt and for

Tomlinson, Jordan, Spargo 

Edited July 25, 2022 by picket fence

[Travy14 1,505]

Club just posted that T-Mac is running today, good enough for me. Put him in

[praha 10,281]

In all seriousness if we can't win this week by 4-5 goals then it's time to be genuinely concerned and write off the season.

Nothing at all against Freo but they are starting to show their inexperience and the season is falling away from them -- we are miles ahead of them and should win comfortably. Win this week and only one more win should net us top 4.

[Diamond_Jim 11,774]

3 hours ago, Deespicable said:

I am pretty confident we will put in a strong showing against Freo on our favourite away ground, but I am still mega worried that our conservative set-up out of defence will continue, enabling Freo to chop us off.

The Dockers have plenty of strong marks, as we saw at the MCG in May, and we can't just continue to go left, left and left again. The issue is huge because the Cats and Doggies exploited our tactic and what's worse, it generally is Langdon's side and his value is his run, not his marking ability. Ideally what we need to do is to be switching to his wing because that's his strength, not going out to his side from kick-ins.

Clearly we have a problem of confidence in our right-side and as good as James Jordon has been in terms of work rate, he is not providing line-breaking runs or marking safety marking intercepts.

Given he also has an injury and is 50-50, it is time to trial a new player on the wing. To me their is only one strong-marking tall that has the speed and tackling ability to shock the Dockers - Luke Jackson. Yes it means Gawn has to ruck for longer, but his tapping ability in the last term against the Dogs was phenomenal and we need his presence against Darcy and Lobb. Our other options is to bring in pace on the near-side wing, but to me, getting Jackson more involved and using his height-advantage will present problems for the Dockers and give us a viable right-side aerial outlet.

The counter-argument is that it's too late in the season to make changes, but that's been our policy all season - our only fundamental difference to last season has been changing Angus to defence which was brought on by injuries pre-season.

Playing Jackson on the wing allows us to include Ben Brown without having to drop the Weid. Lever's returns most likely means Tomlinson misses.

The other issue is that Rivers has had two games back and is yet to provide heaps of run. I am sure he can play, but unfortunatelt this is his growth year via the VFL. He has to either learn to be the third tall defender or be given clear instructions to take the game on and become a weapon like a Bailey Dale. Neither seems to have happened as yet.

One of Bowey or Hunt has to come back in for Rivers and I think Bowey's game in the VFL was exceptional, so i'd err towards him and make Hunt the sub, so that he can provide value down back or up front if called into that role.

The final change is tricky - Chandler has to play. He's been close so many times but he deserves his shot in the big league more than any other player and it can't be as sub - he has to play. As a result a hard call has to be made on Spargo, ANB, Harmes or Melky - all of whom had their moments against the Dogs. If it's wet I'd leave out Melky, but I'd pencil him back in for the game against the Pies. 

I also think we have to better utilise Harmes, who had a shocker against the Dogs, highlighted by his appalling kick to Melky in the second term. To me Harmes provides run in the middle and we have to use him more in there and a hard-tag on Brayshaw will suit him. That means Trac has to spend more time forward. but that's what happens when you aren't quite doing the superstar stuff in the middle of the park. 

So for me, it's time to get bigger and less predictable.

In: Lever, B.Brown, Bowey, Chandler and Hunt as sub

Out: Jordon (inj), Tomlinson, Rivers, Melky

Well argued especially the piece about LJ on the wing. Certainly left field but I appreciate fresh ideas

[Lucifers Hero 37,078]

Lots of rain in Perth this week.

Freo don't like playing in the wet.  Totally smashed by GCS and Coll in the wet.

They have been practicing wet weather football.

Not a week to go too tall.

[old dee 22,854]

1 hour ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Lots of rain in Perth this week.

Freo don't like playing in the wet.  Totally smashed by GCS and Coll in the wet.

They have been practicing wet weather football.

Not a week to go too tall.

Luckily perhaps LH as we have run out of them.

Edited July 25, 2022 by old dee

[Lord Nev 13,511]

Second hand info, but we'll lose a player to concussion protocols this week. Apologies, but can't say who at this stage (and won't be answering guesses), just know it's not a tall and not Trac or Clarry.

Injuries really hitting us atm, big few weeks for Selwyn, the medical team etc.

 

[COOLX 140]

out Tomlinson, Jordan , Spargo and  Melk .   in Laurie , BB if fit , Van R and Lever . Would like to see Brayshaw play forward, Jackson to play on wing . Weid to ruck 30 %  with  70 % in forward pocket OR Jackson to be dropped , sorry MANAGED then we bring in Howes. Sh.t this would not be in Goody's vanilla play book. Harmes to mind Freo's  Brayshaw

[Jaded No More 57,959]

38 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

just know it's not a tall and not Trac or Clarry.

 

So nobody I care about then? 😂

[whatwhat say what 18,979]

42 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Second hand info, but we'll lose a player to concussion protocols this week. Apologies, but can't say who at this stage (and won't be answering guesses), just know it's not a tall and not Trac or Clarry.

Injuries really hitting us atm, big few weeks for Selwyn, the medical team etc.

we've had a pretty bad spate of copping injuries early in the games this season

it would seem that burgess isn't just good at managing injury and fitness but also brings a fair dose of luck with him

[Kick_It_To_Pickett 2,930]

Anyone know if BBB trained today?

[adonski 9,151]

Rivers 57% TOG so probs him I'd guess

Unless Goodwin just thought he was poo and kept him off which is possible 

[Sydee 3,617]

1 hour ago, Jaded No More said:

So nobody I care about then? 😂

I hope it’s not JV 

[monoccular 16,074]

11 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

What does everyone think??

 

For those of us who don’t / can’t open Twitter what was the gist?

4 hours ago, praha said:

In all seriousness if we can't win this week by 4-5 goals then it's time to be genuinely concerned and write off the season.

Nothing at all against Freo but they are starting to show their inexperience and the season is falling away from them -- we are miles ahead of them and should win comfortably. Win this week and only one more win should net us top 4.

I would think any sort of win, sure 4-5 goals would be great, will give hope (and expectations) for the rest of the season.   
Another loss and I would agree with you. 

50 minutes ago, adonski said:

Rivers 57% TOG so probs him I'd guess

Unless Goodwin just thought he was poo and kept him off which is possible 

Weed also seemed to mysteriously disappear after half time, after a career best first quarter  - was he injured?

[adonski 9,151]

2 minutes ago, monoccular said:

For those of us who don’t / can’t open Twitter what was the gist?

I would think any sort of win, sure 4-5 goals would be great, will give hope (and expectations) for the rest of the season.   
Another loss and I would agree with you. 

Weed also seemed to mysteriously disappear after half time, after a career best first quarter  - was he injured?

Houdini would have been impressed with Weids disappearing act 

[titan_uranus 22,366]

4 hours ago, praha said:

In all seriousness if we can't win this week by 4-5 goals then it's time to be genuinely concerned and write off the season.

Nothing at all against Freo but they are starting to show their inexperience and the season is falling away from them -- we are miles ahead of them and should win comfortably. Win this week and only one more win should net us top 4.

Oh come on now, it's not good enough to beat a top 4 contender at their home ground, we now have to do it by 4-5 goals or else you'll write off our season?

Far out.

[praha 10,281]

15 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Oh come on now, it's not good enough to beat a top 4 contender at their home ground, we now have to do it by 4-5 goals or else you'll write off our season?

Far out.

haha I worded it poorly. A win is a win, you're right, it sounds ridiculous. I meant we should win, and if we do I reckon it'll be by 4-5 goals.

[Jaded No More 57,959]

2 hours ago, adonski said:

Rivers 57% TOG so probs him I'd guess

Unless Goodwin just thought he was poo and kept him off which is possible 

If we suspected he had a concussion why didn’t we activate the sub? I can’t see how a player copped a concussion during the game and played on. Didn’t think that was allowed. Unless it happened within the last 20 minutes of the game?

 

[Nascent 7,283]

3 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

If we suspected he had a concussion why didn’t we activate the sub? I can’t see how a player copped a concussion during the game and played on. Didn’t think that was allowed. Unless it happened within the last 20 minutes of the game?

 

Delayed concussion symptoms the most likely answer to that one.

[Go the Biff 3,132]

4 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

If we suspected he had a concussion why didn’t we activate the sub? I can’t see how a player copped a concussion during the game and played on. Didn’t think that was allowed. Unless it happened within the last 20 minutes of the game?

 

You can pass the test Jaded but have symptoms kick in later on. So maybe that.

Or maybe someone copped one at training 

[Jaded No More 57,959]

Just now, Nascent said:

Delayed concussion symptoms the most likely answer to that one.

Wouldn’t they do a concussion test during the game tho? They seem to review every incident and pull players off as deemed necessary. 

I didn’t see anyone do the 20 minute protocol. So even if they passed initially a test would still have needed to be done. 
Could the concussion have happened at training? 

[gs77 3,328]

6 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Wouldn’t they do a concussion test during the game tho? They seem to review every incident and pull players off as deemed necessary. 

I didn’t see anyone do the 20 minute protocol. So even if they passed initially a test would still have needed to be done. 
Could the concussion have happened at training? 

Didn't Jordon cop quite a head knock against the Dogs?  Or was it someone else?  Unless a training mishap I suppose...?

Edited July 25, 2022 by gs77