Farewell Jack Watts

[Jibroni 5,004]

10 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

Jack has been one of our best? That is pure fantasy my friend, or failure to understand the game. Sorry.

We agree to disagree im sorry. He had a very good 2016 and half of 2017. If you are prepared to forgive his post injury form this season, he played some very good footy.

 

[Skuit 10,031]

I sincerely hope that the club doesn't take #31 to the draft. It's not that I'm not excited by the prospect of Taylor working his magic in the second round, but that I suspect the poor lad drafted will be the subject of bizarre revenge scrutiny from the Watts fanatics for years to come.

[chookrat 4,250]

Saw in the news that's Jack Watts has been traded to Power.  Very left field!

[picket fence 17,170]

1 hour ago, Jaded said:

If that is honestly what you think, then I'm sorry but there is no point discussing this further.

Lever is already a better player than Watts ever was, at 6 years his junior. His bravery, his contested marking and his reading of the ball is elite. Those are things we've been crying out for, not just from Watts, but from our team. We got absolutely destroyed in contested marking this year, and Lever fixes that almost immediately. He also allows Tom McDonald to play forward/ruck.

Watts is a nice player with very high kicking skills, but poor defensive skills and extremely poor contested marking for someone of his height. I've always liked him, and I truly wish him nothing but the best and I truly hope he flourishes at Port. But for god's sake, lets not go crazy here. Lever is already a better player, and his ceiling is twice as high and twice as long as Watts'.

Sorry Lever is a different player not better!!

The decision to trade JW ranks as the worst ever trade 

Worse than Jim Tilbrook, Jimmy T, Lucas Cook, Sam Blease, Luke Tapscott, et al much worse 

We have effectively offloaded our best ball user, proven goal kicker, and effective link man for 

Pick 31 ( Good luck son) AND paying part of his Salary!! 

Madness!

Goodwin and cronies had better deliver in 2018 

If not this site and club will implode!!

[CBDees 3,167]

After watching Jack Watts highlight reel on the AFL website, I hope that the Club knows what it is doing trading for only #31! ? It appears unders for my mind!

[Skuit 10,031]

And lol Port Adelaide. Koch publicly blasts the playing group for not being fully committed to the team cause. PAFC respond by bringing in Watts, Motlop and Rockliff.  

[DeeZone 9,847]

To Mad to post.......!!!!!!

[beelzebub 23,377]

Spot poll/ pop quiz

Just a curiosity here.

It's not about sides...ok

Who still holds the same views about this adventure/farce/ circus /list management ( call it whatever suits ) as you did ...say .. at the end of season ?

Its a serious question....well...a real curiosity

[rpfc 28,433]

8 minutes ago, Skuit said:

I sincerely hope that the club doesn't take #31 to the draft. It's not that I'm not excited by the prospect of Taylor working his magic in the second round, but that I suspect the poor lad drafted will be the subject of bizarre revenge scrutiny from the Watts fanatics for years to come.

The kind of fan that strings up a player like that don’t hold themselves to a high standard. Just as likely that fan is a member of the ‘Watts is soft and to blame for all our ills’ brigade that was so eager for his exit.

[Redleg 40,926]

3 minutes ago, CBDees said:

After watching Jack Watts highlight reel on the AFL website, I hope that the Club knows what it is doing trading for only #31! ? It appears unders for my mind!

I am very surprised that at the least we didn't also get a late pick to use for Balic. Then done the Balic deal straight away.

It would have been easier to sell the trade to supporters as pick 31 and Balic.

The only other way is to trade the Watts pick or a similar one for a decent player.

If it ends here, then getting pick 31 and paying part of his salary is actually making us look insipid.

[demonzz 116]

34 minutes ago, Dappa Dan said:

This is Goodwin and Viney's club now. Couldn't be happier. Picks Shmicks. We got the biggest fish available in trade time.

Only really disappointing thing is that we lost next year's first rounder. But we'll still come out ahead with Lever. The kid is unbelievable.

Watts time was done, it's that simple. We have things to achieve as a club and Watts wasn't going to help us. 

Onwards and upwards. Well done dees on having the gumption to make an unpopular choice. We're locked and loaded for the next 3 years.

I totally agree dappa. Blokes like Sicily have taken more pack marks in a season than jackyboy in nine years. A ripping bloke though.

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,396]

1 hour ago, Watts Jurrah Dunn? said:

It all comes down to the salary.

If we are not paying a cent of his salary, pick 31 is all we could have hoped for.

We shot ourselves in the foot having him on $500k a year.  No wonder he was so comfortable.

It makes you wonder how much our spuds are getting paid when we don't have a bona fide star and Port can have Gray, Boak, Dixon, Hartlett, Wines, Wingard, Ryder, Rockliff and Motlop all on big money.  Wow.

 

Gray, Boak, Dixon, Hartlett, Wines, Wingard and Ryder all stars? 7 stars yet we smashed them late in the season, they struggled to beat a top 8 team all year and the majority of those names went missing week 1 of the finals when the game was in OT and the heat was on. I personally think Port was the wrong choice for Watts but it may of been his only one.

 

[Skuit 10,031]

1 minute ago, rpfc said:

The kind of fan that strings up a player like that don’t hold themselves to a high standard. Just as likely that fan is a member of the ‘Watts is soft and to blame for all our ills’ brigade that was so eager for his exit.

rpfc - can you point me to the posters who blame Watts for all our ills and have been so eager for his exit?

[sue 9,107]

12 minutes ago, bing181 said:

- the "he was 6th in the counting before he was injured" claim has never been substantiated

- it ignores other players who missed games early in the season, thus suppressing their vote (e.g. Hibberd, Lewis) and placing Watts higher than he otherwise would have been

- it ignores average votes per match over the whole season

- selective and smaller sample sizes (e.g., half a season) can produce outlier and unrepresentative results (both too high and too low)

- it illustrates exactly what the FD have been saying about Jack's inconsistency

Anyway, he's gone.

Nothing wrong with most of your points. But a  crap player wouldn't score as well as he did even with all those factors - there were lots of other players whose votes would have been boosted by the absence of Hibber and Lewis for example.  Where were they in the votes? 

As for the 6th before he was injured issue, I recall seeing it on the screen (and being very surprised at the time).  But you only have my word and bad eyesight for that.  

I'm happy for people to put their faith in the FD's decision since they know more than us.  But I don't see the need to rewrite history or dismiss anything said in favour of Watts to help justify their decision.  If Watts is as bad as some make out, then the Port Adelaide FD must be a bunch of fools.

[chook fowler 19,459]

He'll have to answer to David the Koch now. It will be interesting to see how that goes.

[Slim 23]

Pick 31

Well done Goodwin and footy dept

Genuis

[Nasher 33,616]

I'm neither angry, nor happy. I make no judgement on the price paid. I don't assume to know more than the club about the worth of player, nor do I assume they are infallible oracles who don't/won't make mistakes.

I'm just sad he had to go.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

5 minutes ago, CBDees said:

After watching Jack Watts highlight reel on the AFL website, I hope that the Club knows what it is doing trading for only #31! ? It appears unders for my mind!

With Goody & Co running his stocks down publicly CBD, this would seem about all they were going to get and the result was potentially worse, with the rumours suggesting we likely had to pay part of his salary to get the trade away.  If so Goody and Co. dug their own grave on this one!

Regardless of what you think about Watts or how he was treated (fairly or otherwise), if the salary rumours are proven to be true, this will quite comfortably go down as the worst trade in the club's history, subject to Lever's performance during his stint, which we won't have a handle on for a number of years.

[beelzebub 23,377]

Tttt. Nothing surprises me about this. 

Have no idea what page it was on but i did make the comment we would take this pick... take any pick really

So much is not what it seems.

Alas...water flowing under the bridge now.... hopefully not down the drain.

 

 

[Satyriconhome 10,878]

2 minutes ago, Nasher said:

I'm neither angry, nor happy. I make no judgement on the price paid. I don't assume to know more than the club about the worth of player, nor do I assume they are infallible oracles who don't/won't make mistakes.

I'm just sad he had to go.

I'm with you, understand why the Club took the stance it did, just find it amusing watching all the hand wringing on here and Instagram when I have spent last 9 years listening and reading supporters lambasting Jack Watts

[Return to Glory 8,441]

4 minutes ago, Slim said:

Pick 31

Well done Goodwin and footy dept

Genuis

Irony there Slim.

It will be interesting though.

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

7 minutes ago, demonzz said:

I totally agree dappa. Blokes like Sicily have taken more pack marks in a season than jackyboy in nine years. A ripping bloke though.

Yeah he is, Jack. And TBH that's is the most important thing here. He's a good young man who will go on to better success... as he was stagnating at MFC. People lose sight of that part.

In terms of list structure etc... we have a short-middle future here that is massively important. Jack wasn't a part of that. He had the opportunity to be, but wasn't.

Pumped for 2018.

[daisycutter 29,616]

37 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

He's more kid eager than aunty jack

or flange desire.....or naughty neville?

[Pates 9,660]

If we play Port at the G always remember Dees fans, he wanted to stay. Don’t boo him (unless he does something dirty, not a huge chance of that). 

Look at how the Pies treated one of their former favourite sons this year, they looked like complete idiots. 

As for the trade itself, I’m not all that happy. For me I feel like we’ve sold Watts short and overpaid for Lever (don’t get me wrong I’m glad we got him). I’m a fan of Mahoney and Goodwin and the overall team we’re building but I feel like we’re going to look back on this years trade period as a year we hurt ourselves. 

It may well have been a trade we needed to do but if you look at how the Dogs, Essendon, and even the Crows have gone about this period they’ve stuck to their guns. 

Farewell to the most polarising player in the history of our club. I’m genuinely sad he never got to experience finals in the red and blue. I wish you luck, except when you come up against us!

[rpfc 28,433]

3 minutes ago, Skuit said:

rpfc - can you point me to the posters who blame Watts for all our ills and have been so eager for his exit?

Just on this board? I am taking dramatic licence but if your (the royal you) is that this is a statement by the FD around commitment and preparation then that is tacitly saying Watts was Ground Zero for that behaviour, of you think we are now automatically destined for finals now that we have ridded ourselves of Watts you are directly saying he is the reason for our failure. And if you go to the footy and all you see and critique and lambast is the blonde number 4 then you are a sad individual who does what Mahoney said today and, unfairly, make Jack Watts the face of Melbourne. An abject failure of a club for most of his time here.

If you want to sit there and say that those things have not happened and prefer to have a semantical argument you definitely can do that.