Farewell Jack Watts

[spirit of norm smith 16,462]

3 minutes ago, At the break of Gawn said:

That's contradictory to what Mahoney said. Said it was purely performance and money wasn't even a factor. 

And the earth is flat !!!!

[Sargent Shultz 267]

11 minutes ago, ProDee said:

I don't answer stupid questions.

I wish this thread did not exist and Watts was staying, only time will tell but I think we are making a BIG mistake. but then again "I lknow nuuthhiing"

[beelzebub 23,377]

8 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

And the earth is flat !!!!

It might be around Swan St 

[—coach— 3,496]

Only 23 pages to go until 186!!

can the mods please shut this thread down once we do?

[nosoupforme 3,085]

On 10/9/2017 at 11:38 PM, thevil1 said:

No, he was 6th after 13 rounds & it took a few for him to get over run by more consistent performers, including players who also missed matches.

And it probably would've been higher had he had a better pre season.

Maybe , he would have finished higher with a better preseason however he might have come back a bit quicker from his hammy.  JW was on the sidelines for a good 4 to 5 weeks.

[spirit of norm smith 16,462]

3 minutes ago, nosoupforme said:

Maybe , he would have finished higher with a better preseason however he might have come back a bit quicker from his hammy.  JW was on the sidelines for a good 4 to 5 weeks.

Hypothetical really 

[nosoupforme 3,085]

27 minutes ago, Sargent Shultz said:

I wish this thread did not exist and Watts was staying, only time will tell but I think we are making a BIG mistake. but then again "I lknow nuuthhiing"

You know more than many would of JW  nuff  nuff  abusive critics. He is a chance to stay as he hasn't let yet. I as many others hope he does stay. 

[nosoupforme 3,085]

2 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Hypothetical really 

I understand, we all have opinions.

[Macca 16,972]

14 minutes ago, --coach-- said:

Only 23 pages to go until 186!!

can the mods please shut this thread down once we do?

Did a quick calculation using the search feature and if all the Jack Watts threads were merged,  we'd be sitting on 760 pages (or thereabouts) or ... about 19,000 posts.

We're rivaling Tolstoy.  In more ways than one.

[Die Hard Demon 1,224]

I have had mail today from a reliable source on the situation.. 

Watts was initially told some hard truths in his exit meeting, which he did not agree with. The club (which we know) asked him to explore his options if he was not willing to change his habits. Watts was filthy initially but has not nominated a club of choice because he’s not sure he wants to go.

The club is now believing he is a 60/40 chance to stay. If he does go, it won’t be for nothing. 

[rpfc 28,441]

1 minute ago, Die Hard Demon said:

I have had mail today from a reliable source on the situation.. 

Watts was initially told some hard truths in his exit meeting, which he did not agree with. The club (which we know) asked him to explore his options if he was not willing to change his habits. Watts was filthy initially but has not nominated a club of choice because he’s not sure he wants to go.

The club is now believing he is a 60/40 chance to stay. If he does go, it won’t be for nothing. 

Now this makes sense.

I don't know how good your mail is but this is plausible because it means the club didn't initially want to trade him and that desire was instigated at his reaction to a negative exit interview that stopped short of telling him he was going to be traded.

I just cannot imagine - if the club had decided he had to go since 'The Bondi Trip' - that he wouldn't be told at his exit interview.

[Pennant St Dee 13,185]

1 hour ago, Sargent Shultz said:

sure for every 1 you can name ill show you another that was a dud.

The point is its a raffle versus a known 150 game player that we will need in the next few years as we move into the finals

Or those shocking second and third rounders like

Fevola

Ablett Jnr

Boomer

Michael Braun

Neville Jetta

Sloane

Enright

Montagna

Sam Mitchell

Edited October 11, 2017 by Pennant St Dee

[chook fowler 19,459]

11 minutes ago, Die Hard Demon said:

I have had mail today from a reliable source on the situation.. 

Watts was initially told some hard truths in his exit meeting, which he did not agree with. The club (which we know) asked him to explore his options if he was not willing to change his habits. Watts was filthy initially but has not nominated a club of choice because he’s not sure he wants to go.

The club is now believing he is a 60/40 chance to stay. If he does go, it won’t be for nothing. 

This sounds much more likely. I hope what you said re the exit interview is true because it puts everything in a whole new light.

[beelzebub 23,377]

14 minutes ago, Die Hard Demon said:

I have had mail today from a reliable source on the situation.. 

Watts was initially told some hard truths in his exit meeting, which he did not agree with. The club (which we know) asked him to explore his options if he was not willing to change his habits. Watts was filthy initially but has not nominated a club of choice because he’s not sure he wants to go.

The club is now believing he is a 60/40 chance to stay. If he does go, it won’t be for nothing. 

Load of rubbish. Sounds like someone's rewriting recent history for mine.

Mark my word...the club is playing everyone for fools. God help us.

[Wells 11 5,406]

1 minute ago, chook fowler said:

This sounds much more likely. I hope what you said re the exit interview is true because it puts everything in a whole new light.

From all reports Goodwin is an excellent manager of men...so it was hard to believe the previous accounts. I think its a win win now. If he goes we get well compensated hopefully but if he stays he gets where he's at in his career maybe for the first time and we reap teh benefits of that. 

[Macca 16,972]

7 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Or those shocking second and third rounders like

Fevola

Ablett Jnr

Boomer

Michael Braun

Neville Jetta

Sloane

Enright

Montagna

Sam Mitchell

Goodes pick 43

Chapman 35

Black 31

Hird 64

Grant 106

There's a stack more.

Another way of looking at is that about half of all picks are busts. 

And half of all 1st round draft picks are busts in terms of expectations.

I'd argue that the value of any pick could be halved - if we work on the results of drafting from a historical point of view. 

But we're fans and we're wired with hope,  faith,  dreams and questionable belief systems.

[FarNorthernD 5,861]

1 hour ago, ProDee said:

Back Taylor to pick a quality player at 29 or keep a culture killer ?

I'll back Goody.

They have reasons for wanting to move Watts on.  No guarantees with the pick, but I'll back the reasons behind it.

Yes it is weird that the Club thought highly enough of Jack to give him a 3 year contract on good money one year but considers him a culture killer the next. They have obviously lost patience with him, and fair enough, but culture killer? Didn’t you say a while back that you would be happy for him to stay?

[DubDee 25,885]

Can't help it but part of me wants Watts to stay work his Ass off and be a champ. After 9 years I'm still thinking this...

[Dee tention 616]

22 minutes ago, Die Hard Demon said:

I have had mail today from a reliable source on the situation.. 

Watts was initially told some hard truths in his exit meeting, which he did not agree with. The club (which we know) asked him to explore his options if he was not willing to change his habits. Watts was filthy initially but has not nominated a club of choice because he’s not sure he wants to go.

The club is now believing he is a 60/40 chance to stay. If he does go, it won’t be for nothing. 

I believe this... Sounds very likely how it unfolded.

Most plausible mail posted yet. Thanks for sharing DHD.

[DV8 2,271]

21 hours ago, Bobby McKenzie said:

The brains trust in the midfield  are in a big minority on this topic. They cannot see what's happening here. Tell me this, How is getting an untried low draft pick going to take the place of an experienced and skilled footballer going to move us up the ladder? Even if he was a potential star he ,as a 17 year old,  won't be much use to us next year. It all takes time and we don't have that luxury. So how can anyone say we will improve next season?

Well, I suppose the likes of Viney, Petracca, Oliver, Hunt, and ???, will be our future of hard nuts under fire.

And watts his name will be but a distant memoir.

[rolly 149]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-11/trade-wrap-rivals-set-to-swoop-on-smith

 

article says we will accept pick 29 for Watts

Does not seem like enough

 

[Wrecker45 3,378]

25 minutes ago, Die Hard Demon said:

I have had mail today from a reliable source on the situation.. 

Watts was initially told some hard truths in his exit meeting, which he did not agree with. The club (which we know) asked him to explore his options if he was not willing to change his habits. Watts was filthy initially but has not nominated a club of choice because he’s not sure he wants to go.

The club is now believing he is a 60/40 chance to stay. If he does go, it won’t be for nothing. 

You said he was going to Port a few hours ago.

[Beetle 4,660]

5 minutes ago, rolly said:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-11/trade-wrap-rivals-set-to-swoop-on-smith

 

article says we will accept pick 29 for Watts

Does not seem like enough

 

We gave Essendon pick 29 for Hibberd, so 29 for Watts in comparison is like winning Super 66.

[beelzebub 23,377]

8 minutes ago, rolly said:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-11/trade-wrap-rivals-set-to-swoop-on-smith

 

article says we will accept pick 29 for Watts

Does not seem like enough

 

Those two lines are unfortunately not mutually dependent.

We'll take 29 and make a story about it however it's spent.

[spirit of norm smith 16,462]

49 minutes ago, nosoupforme said:

I understand, we all have opinions.

And there are all fine