Post Match Discussion - Round 12

[beelzebub 23,313]

37 minutes ago, Devil is in the Detail said:

They did a little. But what about the Hoskin-Elliot dropped mark that ended up a goal. The ANB holding the ball decision when he didn't even have possession of the ball running off half back line. I'd say it evened out.

Id say the maggoting was near 50/50

Poor decisions often going either way. 

[Nasher 33,613]

3 hours ago, Deestroy All said:

If you google it, the only page that shows up is the big footy page I copied it from. 

So in the history of the entire intranets, no one has ever put those letters together. They really do have their own language. 

Hah, yep, I had tried Googling it too. I thought if I tried sounding it out I might be able to figure out what it was. Must be something in Collingwoodese.

[Bandwagner 24]

14 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

Thats four straight wins vs the Filth now.  The shoes on the other foot after they dominated us for years.

I took the family down for 2013.  My wife and youngest left at halftime. My oldest who was about 10yo is a masochist so we stayed to the death.

We got on a tram and were the only Melbourne supporters. I thought "this could get ugly" but any number of Pie supporters gave him a rub on the head and told him that it always turns around.  We were so pathetic that even Pies' supporters were sympathetic....

[rolling fog 1,207]

57 minutes ago, Devil is in the Detail said:

Great follow up kick.

Collingwood's play on at all costs intensity brand of football exemplified 

[Akum 2,660]

44 minutes ago, Robbie57 said:

Kicked 2.1. Ok, a soccer shot and a play on near the goal when he realised he had to do a set shot.

At the moment he can't kick a set shot however did offer more than a few others. I recall a period last year when Jeffy had problems with the set shot. We also forget that our co captain Viney is not that good on a set shot. Can only hope it clicks for him. 

And, to be fair, his one behind was a poster.

[Webber 10,454]

2 minutes ago, Akum said:

And, to be fair, his one behind was a poster.

Bugg stays. His presence and 1%ers were excellent. Gives everything Dean Kent doesn't. A great team man also. 

[What 18,810]

Check out Hibberds game saving spoil with 1:40 left.  If he didnt get a fist on that, De Goey would have been lining up to give them the lead and possibly the match.

The spoil went to O Mac, who kicked along the ground to Harmes, who kicked to Watts in space.. and the rest is history.

[Jaded No More 68,867]

14 hours ago, ProDee said:

Favourite moment:

Watts sealer was all class and very poetic.

The look on his face after he kicked it was priceless.  It was like it eradicated years of pain.  

Really pleased for him.

Watching the last 15 minutes this morning in Foxtel while having breakfast.

That goal and his reaction actually brought a tear to my eye. He was so calm, so poised. He knew exactly what he was doing, and when he kicked that goal that pure relief was incredible.

He is much maligned, and I find myself getting annoyed with him, despite being a big supporter for all those years, because sometimes his intensity isn't good enough. But sh*t he is a smart player, and he knows how to find space and time and his kicking is superb. He brings something to the team that we desperately need, which is class. Now that he is finally surrounded by grunt, this has become more obvious and more important to our fortunes. 

 

I thought McDonald in the ruck in the second half changed the game. He became an extra mid, and it gave us the opportunity to play two proper forwards in Watts and Pedo up forward.
Pedo is great, he has the brain of a forward and he competes above his weight and height. He doesn't need to set the world on fire, but gees him and Watts plus Trac permanent forwards in the second half made the Collingwood defenders accountable, and we know how bad Howe and Dunn are at accountability. Well done to Goodwin for exposing that.

 

As for the umps, yes Hunt should have been paid holding the ball against him, but minutes earlier Vince tackles a Collingwood player who dropped it like a hot potato and it was called played on. So everyone sooking about the umps or saying we won because of them, are taking the [censored]! 
For a team on the bottom of the ladder for frees for, I will take every free coming our way. Lord knows we've been stuffed the other way so many more times!

Edited June 13, 2017 by Jaded

[Cards13 9,117]

3 hours ago, Pates said:

I keep replaying Watts's game sealer, honestly there is no one I'm happier that got to be the man at the end. I bet it even stung the Pies fans even harder, they give it to him more than any other Melbourne player for no other reason than he's a number one draft pick we trotted out all those years ago. I'd say they should move on but this is the same mob that boos Travis Cloke when it was the Pies that showed him the door! Logic and reason are not words in their vocabulary. 

Might just go watch his goal again!

There is a facebook page "everything is better with titanic"... they have the Watts sealer with the titanic music... gold!

[Webber 10,454]

Just watched the 2nd half. Our intensity was way up on the first half, resulting in a lot more tackles that went unrewarded by the umps, mostly in the last quarter. I just don't get the fantasy that the umps helped us. We helped ourselves, got some free kicks, but there were more there. And once more, the Collingwood crowd embarrassed themselves by booing at the end of the game, not to mention the booing of Jack Watts. For what reason, other than personally directed malice? Contrast that to the reception given by Melbourne fans to Lynden Dunn, and therein lies a story of two cultures. I know who I'd be prouder to support. 

[Mickey 4,647]

2 hours ago, Dee Dee said:

Didn't Champion Data rate the Pies midfield as the comp's best and ours as the worst! What an effing joke!

 

This has been raised a bit. Champion Data only run on stats fro previous seasons, so don't account for the rise of Oliver, Petracca etc. Let's enjoy the ride rather than take pot shots as CD when their analysis is taken out of context by media pundits.

[Brownie 5,972]

4 hours ago, Deestroy All said:

If you google it, the only page that shows up is the big footy page I copied it from. 

So in the history of the entire intranets, no one has ever put those letters together. They really do have their own language. 

cavefe?

[jnrmac 20,055]

1 hour ago, Robbie57 said:

Kicked 2.1. Ok, a soccer shot and a play on near the goal when he realised he had to do a set shot.

At the moment he can't kick a set shot however did offer more than a few others. I recall a period last year when Jeffy had problems with the set shot. We also forget that our co captain Viney is not that good on a set shot. Can only hope it clicks for him. 

Bugg had some big chase downs during the game. None more important that one to Fasolo on the outer wing that resulted in a hurried shot at goal.

[jnrmac 20,055]

2 minutes ago, Brownie said:

cavefe?

covefefe

[Diamond_Jim 12,554]

10 hours ago, Bay Riffin said:

I have a theory that Hogan is vital up forward when we don't have momentum and we can only bomb it in under enormous pressure, but when we have the momentum, Hogan in the middle is better as a linking target who can take a grab. Goodwin is starting to use him in the middle and I think we play better that way, especially if we have a recognised ruckman in so Pederson and watts can play as forwards.

The tall marking player is essential to breaking the zone especially if it is followed closely by a quick handball to a running player. It also has the advantage that at worst you have given a mark to the opponent but it is not in a place that will hurt you or as is more usual the ball is brought to ground or out of bounds and you get a stoppage at which the zone is halved.

Chipping the ball around like Hawthorn does trying to break the zone relies on skills that few clubs possess. Similarly the handball chain while very popular is dependent upon skill and as we know often comes undone with horrible consequences.

[jackaub 1,402]

12 hours ago, homsar said:

Kind of agree but don't think think wasn a master stroke. The same thing happened in a few other games. Start tmac in the ruck. He's been awful up forward apart from a cameo against the Crows. At least in the ruck he can use his huge tank to run the other ruckman around. 

Really agree he has no idea forward

Start Pederson at ff and let Tom contest and run off his man

[Demonised 1,343]

The Collingwood supporters sound as angry about the umpires as I was after our North Melbourne match ...

[Fat Tony 5,221]

Huge win for us given the ladder. We play the pies again in round 23 so hopefully they are out of contention by then and that becomes an easier game for us. This could have been a genuine 8 point game.

It was a great win given I thought Collingwood were as good as any opposition we have faced this season. They have a very strong midfield and kicked very well for goal (10.1 in the first half). The key to our turnaround was the centre clearances in the third quarter, which they killed us in in the first half. We were also lucky with the umpires in the last five minutes.

I thought Jeff Garlett was our best.

Going forward, Hogan and Gawn will obviously be huge inclusions and will completely change the structure of our side for the better.

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

15 hours ago, ProDee said:

Favourite moment:

Watts sealer was all class and very poetic.

The look on his face after he kicked it was priceless.  It was like it eradicated years of pain.  

Really pleased for him.

We were watching the game from the nose bleed section in the Members. You could see absolutely everything.

The game was completely in the balance. Time was running out. 71,000 people had their hearts in their mouths. 

Harmes kicks it long to a player in space. It was to Watts who had sprinted from the CBD to run onto the bouncing ball on the wing. The rest played out in agonising slow motion.

Watts, with ball in hand, laconically moved into the forward 50 looking for pass options. Jones was on. Bugg was on. Not sure he saw either of them. Garlett was in the goal square but was well covered. Watts was on a tight angle. And yet he kept inching towards the goal square, almost begging for a Pie player to approach him so he could give it off.

And then he seemed to realise that it was he who had to do it. He had to kick the winner. At that moment, he seemed to slow down, focus on the goal, and steady himself. It was like the bomber in the Dam Busters knowing that he had just one attempt and he simply had to hit the target. Civilisation depended on it.

And he nailed it!

A truly seminal moment in his career. A truly memorable footy moment for the rest of us.

I still get nervous watching it on replay, which I have about 350 times.

 

[Lucifers Hero 39,662]

They say 'he who laughs last, laughs best'!  And, Jack had the last laugh: 

“I had a nice little moment in front of the Collingwood cheer squad when the siren went at the end of the game...”

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/melbourne-star-jack-watts-gets-his-queens-birthday-revenge-against-collingwood/news-story/5c6f16733096aa02907910e9480fc2c2

How sweet that moment must have been.

[What 18,810]

I would love to see Petracca play permanent full forward (with some stints up the ground when needed). He is in the Ablett Snr/A Jakovich mould and that is an orgasmic thought.

Obviously he will move to the midfield more regularly, but Petracca at FF and Hogan at CHF is the stuff of dreams...  brings back memories of the A Jakovich/Lyon and Neitz/Schwarz combos.

We have a very special talent on our hands.

 

[rjay 24,898]

1 hour ago, Mickey said:

This has been raised a bit. Champion Data only run on stats fro previous seasons, so don't account for the rise of Oliver, Petracca etc. Let's enjoy the ride rather than take pot shots as CD when their analysis is taken out of context by media pundits.

No, Champion Data are the ones that take their own data out of context.

I'm happy to see stats and I fully understand that they are about what has happened...

...but Champion Data like to think they can use their stats to predict what will happen and that's where they get themselves into trouble.

Last years premiership is a prime example.

Their crystal ball is no better than the next mans.

Edited June 13, 2017 by rjay

[Fat Tony 5,221]

5 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

I would love to see Petracca play permanent full forward (with some stints up the ground when needed). He is in the Ablett Snr/A Jakovich mould and that is an orgasmic thought.

Obviously he will move to the midfield more regularly, but Petracca at FF and Hogan at CHF is the stuff of dreams...  brings back memories of the A Jakovich/Lyon and Neitz/Schwarz combos.

We have a very special talent on our hands.

 

Unfortunately the days of full forwards like Jakovich and Ablett Snr are in the past unless they bring in zones. Petracca is really playing as a lead up CHF at the moment and will probably increase his time in the midfield over time.

He struggled for a few weeks leading into the bye, so it was great to see him move better yesterday.

I think he will end up the best player in the competition, but as a 60% midfielder. He is great to watch.

[old55 23,469]

15 hours ago, ProDee said:

Favourite moment:

Watts sealer was all class and very poetic.

The look on his face after he kicked it was priceless.  It was like it eradicated years of pain.  

Really pleased for him.

http://www.afl.com.au/video/2017-06-12/the-sealer-watts-icecold-sinker

[jnrmac 20,055]

30 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

Huge win for us given the ladder. We play the pies again in round 23 so hopefully they are out of contention by then and that becomes an easier game for us. This could have been a genuine 8 point game.

It was a great win given I thought Collingwood were as good as any opposition we have faced this season. They have a very strong midfield and kicked very well for goal (10.1 in the first half). The key to our turnaround was the centre clearances in the third quarter, which they killed us in in the first half. We were also lucky with the umpires in the last five minutes.

I thought Jeff Garlett was our best.

Going forward, Hogan and Gawn will obviously be huge inclusions and will completely change the structure of our side for the better.

I think I heard that 6 of our first 7 goals came from their turnovers showing how bad our clearance work was in the first half....