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1 minute ago, Axis of Bob said:

It's one of the amazing things about having good players around you.

Tyson has a lot of class, but lacks the explosiveness to dominate under close attention. That means that he is a solid player in a poor team, but an excellent player in a good team. As a reference, think Jordan Lewis; good player, but excellent when you can't afford to dedicate resources to stop him.

He's playing as the number 3 midfielder in our stoppages, behind Viney and Jones. You have to stop Viney, or he'll kill you. If you can, you should stop Jones because he's more dynamic. But by the time you get to Tyson, you're just going to have to hope that your next best midfielder is going to do more damage than him.

That's how teams get better, because Tyson is getting better but will probably keep getting pushed further down the pecking order when players like Oliver, Petracca and Brayshaw start kicking on. 

I think the inclusion of Oliver back into the team has lifted the entire midfield, I've said all year that we are a better team with him in it.

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5 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

I think the inclusion of Oliver back into the team has lifted the entire midfield, I've said all year that we are a better team with him in it.

Agree, I think they all go harder when he is in the team.. 

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43 minutes ago, Axis of Bob said:

As a reference, think Jordan Lewis; good player, but excellent when you can't afford to dedicate resources to stop him.

It's going to get very interesting at Hawthorn when he's #1 in the next couple of years.  They'll be seeking to rectify this with some heavy FA and trading but there's only so much can be achieved each year.

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45 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

I think the inclusion of Oliver back into the team has lifted the entire midfield, I've said all year that we are a better team with him in it.

Agree but it was yet another great bit of coaching to give him a rest and one point and sending him back to the vfl for a block of games. Yes it is still senior footy but nearly as intense, minutes can be managed and players can work on defeciencies, in oliver's case his defensive skills.

They learnt their kesson from gus flagging near the end of last seaon and now have a fit and firing oliver back in the side.

By the by, said it before and will say it again. The kid is a jet. So glad he is ours

 

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54 minutes ago, Axis of Bob said:

It's one of the amazing things about having good players around you.

Tyson has a lot of class, but lacks the explosiveness to dominate under close attention. That means that he is a solid player in a poor team, but an excellent player in a good team. As a reference, think Jordan Lewis; good player, but excellent when you can't afford to dedicate resources to stop him.

He's playing as the number 3 midfielder in our stoppages, behind Viney and Jones. You have to stop Viney, or he'll kill you. If you can, you should stop Jones because he's more dynamic. But by the time you get to Tyson, you're just going to have to hope that your next best midfielder is going to do more damage than him.

That's how teams get better, because Tyson is getting better but will probably keep getting pushed further down the pecking order when players like Oliver, Petracca and Brayshaw start kicking on. 

and next year you might find one of Brayshaw, Oliver, Petracca lifting to Vineys level, and Tyson will be in an even better position.

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I've said this before, probably somewhere on this thread.

Tyson is a very important part of the mix because he is like the rugby league front rower. He is our strongest mid, rarely beaten one on one and either holds or dishes out.

He's not getting caught out as much now because teammates are working off him.

He's also a very smart footballer who can make good position down the ground and of course is a goal kicker.

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52 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Why don't you give opinions on players     I dunno maybe topics like this

There are some great footy pundits on here whose analysis and commentary I love to read, but I really don't understand the obsession some have with being - or seeming to be - dispassionate, calm and analytical in their comments, especially in the heat of a game.

I find some of the posts in the game day thread hilarious for their levels of hysteria, but I understand it. As you are fond of reminding us, it's just footy; what's the big deal if you want a player banished to the moon for making a mistake one minute, and then all's forgiven next minute when they do something good. 

We're passionate supporters on a footy forum discussing sport, not writing about brain surgery in a peer-reviewed medical journal. 

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11 minutes ago, Grapeviney said:

We're passionate supporters on a footy forum discussing sport, not writing about brain surgery in a peer-reviewed medical journal. 

Everybody knows you need a frontal lobotomy to be a Melbourne supporter, so I don't think we've got anyone qualified to write about brain surgery (or maybe we do).

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1 minute ago, Clint Bizkit said:

There's nothing worse than blocking someone on here only for someone to quote them, then you accidentally read that quote and automatically feel dumber for having done so.

Suggest it to the forum software dev team as an enhancement (not sure how sorry - by email?).  There's no reason that the software can't be clever enough to block out quotes as well as posts from a poster you have blocked.

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55 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

There's nothing worse than blocking someone on here only for someone to quote them, then you accidentally read that quote and automatically feel dumber for having done so.

Yes there is. And that's occasionaly choosing to read a post from a blocked poster and feeling doubly stupid for one, doing so and two reading the content.

It like accidentally banging your head on a wall and then later doing so deliberately. 

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1 hour ago, Clint Bizkit said:

There's nothing worse than blocking someone on here only for someone to quote them, then you accidentally read that quote and automatically feel dumber for having done so.

My Demonland experience is so much better without, Stu.

Unfortunately he gets quoted a lot.

Still, looking down a page and seeing a sea of yellow is bliss.

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3 hours ago, The Song Formerly Known As said:

BUMP-

 

can we talk about how good this kid is becoming. I know he gets caught a bit, but in the AFL team of the week again.

We talk about our Oliver's, Vineys, Petraccas and Brayshaws but what about this fellar? 

Great bump. Tyson has been massive this year, especially in the past month or 6 weeks.

2 hours ago, Axis of Bob said:

It's one of the amazing things about having good players around you.

Tyson has a lot of class, but lacks the explosiveness to dominate under close attention. That means that he is a solid player in a poor team, but an excellent player in a good team. As a reference, think Jordan Lewis; good player, but excellent when you can't afford to dedicate resources to stop him.

He's playing as the number 3 midfielder in our stoppages, behind Viney and Jones. You have to stop Viney, or he'll kill you. If you can, you should stop Jones because he's more dynamic. But by the time you get to Tyson, you're just going to have to hope that your next best midfielder is going to do more damage than him.

That's how teams get better, because Tyson is getting better but will probably keep getting pushed further down the pecking order when players like Oliver, Petracca and Brayshaw start kicking on. 

See, at the moment, I'm quite happy if other sides feel that they have to tag Viney & Jones, because IMO Tyson is a more damaging mid, just because his disposal is so much better, and because he brings other mids into the game. This was well-illustrated by the Port game where Viney was tagged right out of it and Jones spent a lot of the first three quarters butchering the ball, but our midfield didn't miss a beat and we smashed them in clearances & contested ball. 

Viney to me is a bit one-dimensional at stoppages. When he gets the ball, he simply tries to crash through the stoppage and then bomb it in as far as he can to another contest. Now, he's absolutely fantastic at doing that, but it's not difficult to counter, which is why we still have trouble against teams that stack their d50 and launch their attacks from half-back. The times when Viney does lower his eyes and look for targets, and try to work his way through stoppages rather than crash his way through them, he's unstoppable. But there were a few contested situations against Port where one of his teammates was about to work the ball free from a stoppage, only to have Viney crash in and lock the ball up.

Tyson, on the other hand, looks to get the ball from stoppages into space, and thus brings his fellow mids, and the players downfield, into the game more.

I'm not saying that Tyson is "better" than Viney - it's like trying to argue who is better out of Mitchell and Hodge, they just complement each other so well. It's just that to me, having Viney taken out of the game is nowhere near as damaging for us at the moment as having Tyson taken out of the game. And we show every sign of having an unbelievably multifaceted midfield involving the likes of Petracca, Oliver, Brayshaw & Salem, as well as Viney, Jones & Tyson, that is going to be incredibly difficult to counter. 

I also think that he past 5 or 6 games (perhaps since West Coast) is the only time in the past 10 years or so that we've actually had a midfield, rather than just a combination of midfielders.

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2 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

On record saying Brayshaw will be a better player and still happy with this, but the margin will be tight, Tyson is a very good player.

I don't think it will be tight. Brayshaw is going to be an absolute star. I think he'll be a definite A grader. I see Tyson as more of a solid B grader.

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