PREGAME: Rd 08 vs Geelong

[layzie 28,930]

Yeah I'd be running it back selection wise. 

Petty won't be dropped and I'd stick with Woewodin this week as well. Goody won't tinker with a winning formula. 

[TassieDevil 97]

3 hours ago, monoccular said:

Much as I detest the increase of gambling advertising in our game, your point is interesting to say the least.  
Most gamblers, I believe, bet with their heads not their hearts, and aren’t likely to often throw money after sentiment.without likelihood of return. 
Any gamblers here please correct me if this is too simplistic. 

Carringbush supporters - always get better odds vs that mob.

[JJR 572]

3 hours ago, Webber said:

For all those projecting dire and disastrous consequence against Geelong because of horrible kicking/turnovers like Wednesday’s first half, i.e. 56% disposal efficiency (10 percentage points below all game average), would love to know what you think happens if we play like the second half, i.e. 76% disposal efficiency (10 points ABOVE all game average)?

Did you find these stats on the afl app? Interested to look at them

[BScotti 112]

On 25/04/2024 at 08:53, picket fence said:

Billings has just played his BEST game and u want to drop him?? Nar no way. Petty was woeful.

IN McAdam, Fullertom

Out Laurie and Petty

[Webber 10,099]

24 minutes ago, JJR said:

Did you find these stats on the afl app? Interested to look at them

Heard them on the ABC radio post-game analysis. 

Edited April 26 by Webber

[Purple77 961]

Full-A-rton

As in Full-AAAAAHHHHH-IM-SO-TRIGGERED-WHEN-I-SEEE-IT-WRONG-rton

(sorry, I do hate grammar police, but it's important we get names right)

 

 

[Queanbeyan Demon 5,996]

4 hours ago, SthSea22 said:

McAdam must play

Sub for Laurie

Hore for Woewodin

That could well present a moral dilemma for young woey.

[SthSea22 303]

3 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

What skillset? Which part of Wednesday’s game indicated we need a plodder who can’t kick anything but up and under floaters at half back?

Hore has a far more useful skillset to free up Rivers, McVee and Howes if we are making changes. 

Woey turned it over every chance he got down back. He isn't a backman

[The heart beats true 16,233]

Interesting article on AFL.com about the metrics the Eagles use to measure their players, and how it played into them resting Reid this week.

Anyone know any more about how this stuff is measured, and what it means for someone like Windsor? I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s given a rest soon.

[Ungarieboy 355]

Potential reality check coming; for when you look at the results, we haven't beaten anyone of significance except Port (and Collingwood has made that look less Impressive)!

 

 

[Fanatique Demon 2,408]

3 hours ago, Purple77 said:

Full-A-rton

As in Full-AAAAAHHHHH-IM-SO-TRIGGERED-WHEN-I-SEEE-IT-WRONG-rton

(sorry, I do hate grammar police, but it's important we get names right)

 

 

I think sorry should have a capital letter and Grammar Police should have caps too. And don’t forget the full stop after right.

BTW, excellent work with the commas.

🤣

[Binmans PA 26,212]

13 minutes ago, Ungarieboy said:

Potential reality check coming; for when you look at the results, we haven't beaten anyone of significance except Port (and Collingwood has made that look less Impressive)!

Neither have Geelong or Carlton.

Geelong have beaten: St Kilda by 8 points in Geelong, Adelaide by 19 points, Hawthorn by 36 points, Bulldogs by 4 points, North down at Geelong by 75 points and Brisbane in Brisbane by 26 points. When we played Brisbane we were clearly cooked, that's the only win by Geelong you could potentially rate...

Then over to Carlton, they've beaten: Brisbane by 1 point (after being down by 7 goals), Richmond by 5 points, North by 56 points, Fremantle by 10 points and GWS by 19 points. They also lost to Adelaide in Melbourne by 2 points. So the only potentially impressive win was against GWS last week and if you're being kind, Brisbane in Brisbane.

So like both of those teams, the only win you could say was impressive by us was Port in Adelaide, but also backing that up off a 5 day break to beat Adelaide in Adelaide was solid too.

Meanwhile, Collingwood played Port in Melbourne, and Port away from Adelaide are half the team they are at Adelaide Oval. Not comparing apples with apples...

I love how some of our supporters think our results are somehow occurring in a vacuum. 

Edited April 26 by Binmans PA

[titan_uranus 22,436]

2 minutes ago, Ungarieboy said:

Potential reality check coming; for when you look at the results, we haven't beaten anyone of significance except Port (and Collingwood has made that look less Impressive)!

Let's see how that compares with the other sides who came into this round with winning records (and prior to the three games so far):

1. Geelong has beaten St Kilda (2-4), Adelaide (1-5), Hawthorn (1-5), Bulldogs (3-3), North (0-6) and Brisbane (2-4)
2. GWS has beaten Collingwood (3-3), North (0-6), West Coast (2-4), GC (3-3), St Kilda (2-4) and Brisbane (2-4). Lost to Carlton (5-1)
3. Carlton has beaten Brisbane (2-4), Richmond (1-5), North (0-6), Fremantle (3-3) and GWS (5-1) but lost to Adelaide (1-5)
4. Sydney has beaten us (4-2), Collingwood (3-3), Essendon (4-2), West Coast (2-4) and GC (3-3) but lost to Richmond (1-5)
5. Port has beaten West Coast (2-4), Richmond (1-5), Essendon (4-2), Fremantle (3-3) but lost to us (4-2) and Collingwood (3-3)
6. Essendon had beaten Hawthorn (1-5), St Kilda (2-4), Bulldogs (3-3) and Adelaide (1-5) but lost to Sydney (5-1) and Port (4-2)
7. We had beaten the Bulldogs (3-3), Hawthorn (1-5), Port (4-2) and Adelaide (1-5) but lost to Sydney (5-1) and Brisbane (2-4).

Of these 7 sides, three of them came into this round without a win over one of the others on this list (Geelong, GWS, Essendon). Port, us and Carlton all had one, whilst Sydney has two. 

So only Sydney, of these sides, had done better against the good sides than us. 

Travel-wise, we had played 3 interstate games. That's the same as Geelong, GWS, Sydney and Essendon, and one more road game than Port and Carlton.

As for the losses, yes, people are upset that we lost to Brisbane who otherwise suck. But Carlton and Sydney have lost to sides with worse W-L records so we're not alone in dropping a game to a weaker side, either.

[picket fence 15,229]

3 hours ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

That could well present a moral dilemma for young woey.

Ur kidding pick ur best side, morals dont come into it. If he's good enough he stays! I thought he was tough and excellent early!

[Roger Mellie 3,510]

52 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Ur kidding pick ur best side, morals dont come into it. If he's good enough he stays! I thought he was tough and excellent early!

It was a joke fence! [censored] for Woewodin

[monoccular 16,096]

On 25/04/2024 at 12:29, greenwaves said:

Not sure why people are picking Fullarton to play forward.  Let's face it, the vast majority of ruckman are very ordinary forwards.  People think ruckman are qualified to play forward because they're tall.  There's more to playing forward than just height.

Do we really know if Fullerton is a ruck forward or a forward ruck?

12 hours ago, Chook said:

How else do you expect to give Geelong the required number of home games at Kardinia park while also ensuring Collingwood and Essendon never play there? If you've got any ideas, please send them to AFL house because they clearly need them.

They wouldn’t even open the mail.  So far up themselves the arrogant bastards at AFL HQ 

[Demon Dynasty 15,546]

9 hours ago, Ungarieboy said:

Potential reality check coming; for when you look at the results, we haven't beaten anyone of significance except Port (and Collingwood has made that look less Impressive)!

 

9 hours ago, Binmans PA said:

Neither have Geelong or Carlton.

Geelong have beaten: St Kilda by 8 points in Geelong, Adelaide by 19 points, Hawthorn by 36 points, Bulldogs by 4 points, North down at Geelong by 75 points and Brisbane in Brisbane by 26 points. When we played Brisbane we were clearly cooked, that's the only win by Geelong you could potentially rate...

Then over to Carlton, they've beaten: Brisbane by 1 point (after being down by 7 goals), Richmond by 5 points, North by 56 points, Fremantle by 10 points and GWS by 19 points. They also lost to Adelaide in Melbourne by 2 points. So the only potentially impressive win was against GWS last week and if you're being kind, Brisbane in Brisbane.

So like both of those teams, the only win you could say was impressive by us was Port in Adelaide, but also backing that up off a 5 day break to beat Adelaide in Adelaide was solid too.

Meanwhile, Collingwood played Port in Melbourne, and Port away from Adelaide are half the team they are at Adelaide Oval. Not comparing apples with apples...

I love how some of our supporters think our results are somehow occurring in a vacuum. 

 

9 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

Let's see how that compares with the other sides who came into this round with winning records (and prior to the three games so far):

1. Geelong has beaten St Kilda (2-4), Adelaide (1-5), Hawthorn (1-5), Bulldogs (3-3), North (0-6) and Brisbane (2-4)
2. GWS has beaten Collingwood (3-3), North (0-6), West Coast (2-4), GC (3-3), St Kilda (2-4) and Brisbane (2-4). Lost to Carlton (5-1)
3. Carlton has beaten Brisbane (2-4), Richmond (1-5), North (0-6), Fremantle (3-3) and GWS (5-1) but lost to Adelaide (1-5)
4. Sydney has beaten us (4-2), Collingwood (3-3), Essendon (4-2), West Coast (2-4) and GC (3-3) but lost to Richmond (1-5)
5. Port has beaten West Coast (2-4), Richmond (1-5), Essendon (4-2), Fremantle (3-3) but lost to us (4-2) and Collingwood (3-3)
6. Essendon had beaten Hawthorn (1-5), St Kilda (2-4), Bulldogs (3-3) and Adelaide (1-5) but lost to Sydney (5-1) and Port (4-2)
7. We had beaten the Bulldogs (3-3), Hawthorn (1-5), Port (4-2) and Adelaide (1-5) but lost to Sydney (5-1) and Brisbane (2-4).

Of these 7 sides, three of them came into this round without a win over one of the others on this list (Geelong, GWS, Essendon). Port, us and Carlton all had one, whilst Sydney has two. 

So only Sydney, of these sides, had done better against the good sides than us. 

Travel-wise, we had played 3 interstate games. That's the same as Geelong, GWS, Sydney and Essendon, and one more road game than Port and Carlton.

As for the losses, yes, people are upset that we lost to Brisbane who otherwise suck. But Carlton and Sydney have lost to sides with worse W-L records so we're not alone in dropping a game to a weaker side, either.

Does Ungarie get a DL Rising Star nomination?

A new rookie to DL but already having a major impact!

[Lil_red_fire_engine 10,216]

14 hours ago, Ungarieboy said:

Potential reality check coming; for when you look at the results, we haven't beaten anyone of significance except Port (and Collingwood has made that look less Impressive)!

 

 

Geelong have beaten the teams currrently positioned 9th, 12th, 13th, 15th, 16th, 18th.

[Redleg 37,655]

9 hours ago, monoccular said:

Do we really know if Fullerton is a ruck forward or a forward ruck?

 

IMO he is a forward, who while not a ruckman, can play there for short bursts.

However, when played as a ruckman, he is quite good around the ground with his marking.

I watched him closely against the VFL Tigers and several times he didn't even bother contesting when rucking. He appeared to shy away from body contact. His contested marking though was very good and he is mobile.

Edited April 26 by Redleg

[dazzledavey36 48,841]

44 minutes ago, Redleg said:

IMO he is a forward, who while not a ruckman, can play there for short bursts.

However, when played as a ruckman, he is quite good around the ground with his marking.

I watched him closely against the VFL Tigers and several times he didn't even bother contesting when rucking. He appeared to shy away from body contact. His contested marking though was very good and he is mobile.

I pretty much said this last week and got howled down for it. Body contact in ruck contests isn't his thing.

He hasn't got the physical attributes that you want in a second ruckman that can chop out Gawn, especially if he has to go up against the like of Grundy, Briggs, Jackson, Draper, Goldstein who'll just monster him physically. This is why they have trust in JVR because at least he competes hard when he chops out. Similar to how Cam Pederson use to be when Gaqn went down back in 2017.

He's a tall mobile 200cm forward flanker who can push up the ground and perhaps be use as a link up between the two halves using his athletic ability. 

Still think Verrall can still play a role some stage this year as a 2nd hand Similar to how we use Jackson.

[samcantstandya 925]

On 25/04/2024 at 14:07, DubDee said:

Petty’s stats:

7 clangers

3 free kicks against /0 for

0 contested marks

The game previous: 2 kicks / 2 clangers

we can’t carry this type of output against better teams

He wasn't on his Pat Malone. So many kicks went to oppo players in the clear when we had time to deliver. Windsor across the ground to CHF to a tiger all by himself when Fritsch was expecting a handpass as he streamed towards forward and just before half time in last 40 secs a kick from Fritsch went direction to an oppo player that nearly resulted in a goal. Also Tom McDonald in the centre of the ground that gifted Martin a goal against the run of play. Chandler also had quite a few clangers.

[binman 38,398]

3 hours ago, Lil_red_fire_engine said:

Geelong have beaten the teams currrently positioned 9th, 12th, 13th, 15th, 16th, 18th.

Demonland logic:

Pre cats game:

We are an average side, going nowhere. Beaten no one and a  team that would have beaten us by 100 points if they didn't put the cue in the rack just got smashed by the giants.

Reality check time.

Post cats game.

We are an average side, going nowhere. Yes we we won by 4 goals, but the scoreboard flattered us.

And we've still beaten no one.

Sure the cats were unbeaten, but coming into the game their wins were against teams 9th, 12th, 13th, 15th, 16th and 18th on the ladder.

And they also had two less days recovery. 

Reality check time next week against the blues, who will smash us.

Their mids will destroy us, and yes we have a good defence but we can't expect them to rescue us every week.

And fair warning, I don't want to hear the predicable excuses trotted out by the pollyannas  about the impact of the five day break. 

Edited April 27 by binman

[Roost it far 6,174]

I tell you what, Demonland will be in raptures if we win the next 2

[Diamond_Jim 11,811]

7 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

I tell you what, Demonland will be in raptures if we win the next 2

If we also beat GWS we will be flag favourites

[Tarax Club 2,987]

1 hour ago, samcantstandya said:

He wasn't on his Pat Malone. So many kicks went to oppo players in the clear…

Yes, first half was a Clanger fest. Not wishing to be naming names, but it was on for young and old. Two of those clangers howlers coming from the most experienced players, resulted in goals. Tigers score was the lowest against Demons since…  . Well Norm Smith was still coaching, but Ronald Dale had recently departed to make his own way in the footy firmament. 

“Forty two points!” if Deep Thought was re-programmed to do appearances on the Sunday Footy Show. Not only would Kane Cornes be out of a job, the Velvet Sledgehammer would be speechless and Damo re-assigned to AUSkick.

So subtract those two gift goals and we would be going back to when Methuselah was an orange boy to find the lowest score.

So despite the ‘G being universally cited as having the ideal dimensions for Australian Rules. Giving players the opportunity to execute their skills in “Space… is big. Really big. You just won’t believe how mindboggingly” bad the foot passing was.

Edited April 27 by Tarax Club
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