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15 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

 

😁). He told me he asked for jumper #39 because he loves Lewis Jetta. 

Instant man (boy) crush, that's weird from a 53 y.o. bloke isn't it.... Anyway mad props to the young fella name checking Jetta, be cheering hard at your debut.

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4 hours ago, rjay said:

 

The only statement he needs to make is when he hits season 2024.

 

You don't make statements in November... 

 

I’m not asking him to train the house down, but to show up early would have been a huge sign of commitment to his teammates and the club and that he is going over and above what has been asked of him.
 

So yes, Clarry is one I was hoping would make a statement in a November.

 

He still can and he may well be working on himself in a positive way this week but I can’t help but feel disappointed we didn’t see him back at the club early with Max & Trac & Fritta & Jake & others who weren’t required to be there.

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22 hours ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

It could’ve been that I saw a shot of him on the news that wasn’t flattering. Or maybe I need to go to Specsavers 🤣

Hahaha yes I dare say it was that one shot on news, but don’t mistake skin for fat, he actually trimmed down some bulk deliberately to have a frame more conducive to repeat efforts!

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17 hours ago, The Jackson FIX said:

After the club’s train wreck off-season (and post-season), it would’ve been nice to see some more of the 4+ years players back at the club.


Clarry in particular, in fact I am actually surprised he didn’t make a statement by coming back early. 

His statement will be made and made boldly, come R1.

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15 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I don't discount the possibility that the club arranged for Oliver not to be present at the first day of training so as to avoid a media circus. 

No problem with our media team.. they are only good for a few snaps two to three times a year. 

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Clarry clearly has some things to work on off field and whatever agreement he made with Goody a few weeks ago he would be sticking to. Goody knows more than most you cannot perform unless you are mentally fresh so if taking extra weeks away is recommended he should do that. 

i would doubt he’ll be at training next week

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6 hours ago, DEE fence said:

Instant man (boy) crush, that's weird from a 53 y.o. bloke isn't it.... Anyway mad props to the young fella name checking Jetta, be cheering hard at your debut.

Hey M, not weird at all. I can’t imagine anyone not falling crazy in love with this kid. Dees supporters anyways. Not sure oppo fans will be as enamoured. 😁

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52 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I don't discount the possibility that the club arranged for Oliver not to be present at the first day of training so as to avoid a media circus. 

I do. 

But only because the club's comms has been woeful for the last 12 months.

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More rubbish reporting from the Herald Sun.

Headline: DEES’ OLDIES RIPE FOR FIRST SESSION, OLLY MISSES MEMO

Josh Barnes - Track watch

Opening Two Paragraphs:

“A bunch of senior Melbourne leaders joined their younger teammates for day one of pre-season on Monday but Clayton Oliver was not one of them.

“As an experienced player, Oliver is not required back until next week, with the first week of training officially only for first to four year Demons.”

If Clarrie is not required back until next week and is still on leave, exactly what “memo” has he missed? 

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52 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

More rubbish reporting from the Herald Sun.

Headline: DEES’ OLDIES RIPE FOR FIRST SESSION, OLLY MISSES MEMO

Josh Barnes - Track watch

Opening Two Paragraphs:

“A bunch of senior Melbourne leaders joined their younger teammates for day one of pre-season on Monday but Clayton Oliver was not one of them.

“As an experienced player, Oliver is not required back until next week, with the first week of training officially only for first to four year Demons.”

If Clarrie is not required back until next week and is still on leave, exactly what “memo” has he missed? 

Indeed.

And on Clarry, sure the club has said he has some off field issues to sort out, and there might have been some issues in terms of how he rehabbed his hammy, but on field and on the track he has never been accused of being anything less than 100% committed and full throttle (his numbers were nuts after missing nearly 4 months of footy). 

So why does he need to come back a week early? To prove what to whom? Ooh Clarry has been a bad boy, he should send a message he is a good boy by coming back a week early. 

There's every chance he has been advised by people providing support that to get his head in a good place and get on top of his demons (metaphorically speaking - literally, he could just go to training) he is better away from the club as long a possible in terms of maximizing his break. 

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You can’t win, those calling for Oliver to be there to make a statement are the same who say words and statements in pre season means little, it’s all about peering on game day and in particular at the pointy end of the season 

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5 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

More rubbish reporting from the Herald Sun.

Headline: DEES’ OLDIES RIPE FOR FIRST SESSION, OLLY MISSES MEMO

Josh Barnes - Track watch

Opening Two Paragraphs:

“A bunch of senior Melbourne leaders joined their younger teammates for day one of pre-season on Monday but Clayton Oliver was not one of them.

“As an experienced player, Oliver is not required back until next week, with the first week of training officially only for first to four year Demons.”

If Clarrie is not required back until next week and is still on leave, exactly what “memo” has he missed? 

I think I might find out when Josh Barnes takes his annual leave then check in to see if he gets back to the office a week early.

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9 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

Surprised the media didn’t say our culture is terrible because our vice captain didn’t turn up early to pre season either 🙄

We all know Viney is an unfit slacker 😂

Well it’s not like we don’t have some cultural issues. 2 years running straight sets, Oliver, Joel Smith and the rest of what’s going on. We deserve the blowtorch and we’re going to get it. I say bring it and see if this group can take another step or slide into mediocrity. It’s 50-50 at best as we sit, at least that’s my opinion. List wise we should be winning or losing Flags not semi finals.
Fix it!!

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7 hours ago, Stiff Arm said:

I think we might see young Woey jnr force his way into the side more this year. Looks fit and now has the body to match. Very coachable kid too, from all accounts.

Good on him

IMVHO Woey would have been a far better sub than Laurie when Angus was assaulted so early in the game.  He is already ahead.  

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10 hours ago, Roost it far said:

Well it’s not like we don’t have some cultural issues. 2 years running straight sets, Oliver, Joel Smith and the rest of what’s going on. We deserve the blowtorch and we’re going to get it. I say bring it and see if this group can take another step or slide into mediocrity. It’s 50-50 at best as we sit, at least that’s my opinion. List wise we should be winning or losing Flags not semi finals.
Fix it!!

We have lost the last two finals because, quite simply, we lost our forward line due to injuries and there was a disconnect in our gameplan. If this is your idea of cultural issues, then get in bed with the media and bash the club. Without going over the personal struggles a few of our players are facing—personal struggles that all clubs, Collingwood included, face—you have chosen to side with the media crowd and declare that there must be a cultural issue. You have no idea what has happened or is happening behind the scenes, so your post is just a rehashed version of what is said in the media. Do you have an original thought?

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In 2021 we had a charmed injury run. Fit players in every position except for May in the GF. But nobody told him he was injured.

In 2022 and 2023 we suffered from injuries that took off the top percentage of our form. Losing by 7 points and 2 points does not a culture issue make. Simply we could field our best combination.

Injuries decide flags every year. Let's hope for a benign injury year.

GO DEES

 

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1 hour ago, djr said:

We have lost the last two finals because, quite simply, we lost our forward line due to injuries and there was a disconnect in our gameplan. If this is your idea of cultural issues, then get in bed with the media and bash the club. Without going over the personal struggles a few of our players are facing—personal struggles that all clubs, Collingwood included, face—you have chosen to side with the media crowd and declare that there must be a cultural issue. You have no idea what has happened or is happening behind the scenes, so your post is just a rehashed version of what is said in the media. Do you have an original thought?

That’s one way of looking at it. We also lost the QF because we were physically challenged early and we took time to find our game. We then watched as player after player choked in front of goal…. Then we lost against Carlton because we were horrendously undisciplined, burnt our team mates and failed to put away a weaker opponent…… Then we have the off field issues which we can’t and don’t need to discuss as we all have seen it play out.

Sorry that you think it’s unreasonable of me to think that all is not rosy. Our last game against Carlton was not played by a club in good shape. 

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