TMac on the Trade Table?

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2 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

I'm not really a fan of digging up the past.

But, in this instance, let's do it.

There is not one single post criticising the contract.

It's actually saddening reading that thread. It was June 2018, we'd just won six in a row. It's like a time capsule back to a much happier era. Feels like an eternity ago.

I was in Fiji for work at the time and I was pumped when I heard the news and was able to download and listen to a podcast with him on it as I was driving back to my hotel. He was a big hope for us and to lock him away for another contract was huge. 

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Hogan and TMac, looked like a dominant forward line for 5+ years in 2018....

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3 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

It's actually saddening reading that thread. It was June 2018, we'd just won six in a row. It's like a time capsule back to a much happier era. Feels like an eternity ago

Just read through that tread. All that hope and optimism. Who'd want to be a footy supporter!

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17 hours ago, adonski said:

He will get picked up. Screenshot this, quote it, retweet it.

Betoota ??

Edited November 5, 2020 by picket fence

[Dr.D 1,771]

700k to sit in the casey forward line for 2 seasons. gulp

[Uncle Fester 2,835]

I’d like to keep him as a CHB. 

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6 minutes ago, Uncle Fester said:

I’d like to keep him as a CHB. 

If we can’t trade him, I agree.

Then we can have Lever as the third tall where he can focus on intercept marking.

 

[Lord Nev 13,511]

13 minutes ago, Uncle Fester said:

I’d like to keep him as a CHB. 

A big part of the reason we moved him forward was his horrendous disposal.

The last few years there's been a big focus on making our backline more 'safe'. In 2018 and 2019 our points conceded from back half turnovers was a massive issue.

I very much doubt that we would move TMac to the backline again given that.

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If he can't find a new team there's always more podcasts with the Institute of Public Affairs waiting for him.

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11 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

A big part of the reason we moved him forward was his horrendous disposal.

The last few years there's been a big focus on making our backline more 'safe'. In 2018 and 2019 our points conceded from back half turnovers was a massive issue.

I very much doubt that we would move TMac to the backline again given that.

iirc the main reason we moved him fwd was because Hogan and Watts were injured and we had no tall fwds.  About the same time Max was injured and Pederson, our back up fwd, was in the ruck.

The back half turnovers in 2018/2019 don't rest with Tom as he didn't play in defence.

If he stays we will need to make the best of the situation.  imv the 3rd tall position is between Smith, TMc Donald and Petty.  If Tom earns his spot back I have no problem him playing in defence.  Our back 6 is much much stronger now than in 2017 - 2019.

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9 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

iirc the main reason we moved him fwd was because Hogan and Watts were injured and we had no tall fwds.  About the same time Max was injured and Pederson, our back up fwd, was in the ruck.

The back half turnovers in 2018/2019 don't rest with Tom as he didn't play in defence.

If he stays we will need to make the best of the situation.  imv the 3rd tall position is between Smith, TMc Donald and Petty.  If Tom earns his spot back I have no problem him playing in defence.  Our back 6 is much much stronger now than in 2017 - 2019.

Yep, that's why I didn't say his disposal issues were the only reason he was moved forward.

The point about the back half turnovers is we've actively changed the backline, moved and removed players, to make it more reliable from a ball use perspective. Think we all agree TMac's disposal out of the backline was poor yeah? Hence, I doubt we would move him back there as it goes against what they've worked so hard on changing over the last few years. Our backline is stronger because of who we've moved out and who we've replaced them with. We're going backwards if we start inserting those poor users back in there again.

IMO he'll play forward or he won't play. In saying that, I still think he won't be with us next year anyway.

If you want to go back to see how his disposal in the backline was perceived have a read here:

 

Edited November 5, 2020 by Lord Nev

[Sir Why You Little 34,511]

TMac cannot play a key defensive role again 

Please do not go there. If he stays, he fights for a forward spot

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17 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Yep, that's why I didn't say his disposal issues were the only reason he was moved forward.

The point about the back half turnovers is we've actively changed the backline, moved and removed players, to make it more reliable from a ball use perspective. Think we all agree TMac's disposal out of the backline was poor yeah? Hence, I doubt we would move him back there as it goes against what they've worked so hard on changing over the last few years. Our backline is stronger because of who we've moved out and who we've replaced them with. We're going backwards if we start inserting those poor users back in there again.

IMO he'll play forward or he won't play. In saying that, I still think he won't be with us next year anyway.

If you want to go back to see how his disposal in the backline was perceived have a read here:

 

So you want to hang him for poor disposal in a practice match on a windy day when he was just 23 y.o in a team that couldn't defend, contest or attack...ok...

I'm not saying his disposal skills were good but they weren't as bad as people make out. 

And I'm not saying he is a walk up starting 22.  But if he is with us he deserves the right and the respect to fight for a spot.

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Just now, Lucifer's Hero said:

So you want to hang him for poor disposal in a practice match on a windy day when he was just 23 y.o in a team that couldn't defend, contest or attack...ok...

I'm not saying his disposal skills were good but they weren't as bad as people make out. 

And I'm not saying he is a walk up starting 22.  But if he is with us he deserves the right and the respect to fight for a spot.

Mate, if you read through that thread you'll see the majority of Demonland talking about how bad TMac's disposal is.

The main himself has opined about it: "Sometimes as a defender I was so worried about making mistakes. The pressure that comes with being a full back or centre-half back can be overwhelming at times, and I tend to get overly frustrated with myself and it costs me." 

Stress-free Dee relishing his shot up forward

Absolutely he will fight for a spot, as will everyone else. If he earns a shot he should 100% be picked. But IMO, given the reasons I've outlined about the backline philosophy, it will be as a forward.

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4 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

So you want to hang him for poor disposal in a practice match on a windy day when he was just 23 y.o in a team that couldn't defend, contest or attack...ok...

I'm not saying his disposal skills were good but they weren't as bad as people make out. 

And I'm not saying he is a walk up starting 22.  But if he is with us he deserves the right and the respect to fight for a spot.

His disposal out of defence was very poor. We want to get better next year. Tom is not a defender

He can fight for a spot up forward 

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38 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

If he stays we will need to make the best of the situation.  imv the 3rd tall position is between Smith, TMc Donald and Petty.  If Tom earns his spot back I have no problem him playing in defence.  Our back 6 is much much stronger now than in 2017 - 2019

One of the main issues (amongst many) I have with him staying and fighting it out for the lesser roles is he’ll stunt the development of younger players like Petty who are the future. Likewise trying to convert him into a winger when we should be giving Baker a run to see what he’s made of. Up forward Jackson is the future and should be playing as 3^rd tall.

If he stays he’s cover for injuries or emergencies. Otherwise he’ll see out his days at Casey.

As I’ve said before there is no role for TMac at the club. Very unfortunate how things worked out but its best for the MFC and TMac to part ways. The club needs to acknowledge the situation and just move him on. Pay a chunk of his salary and be done with it. If Tom is happy to collect his fat paycheck he needs to know that he’ll be playing in the 2’s. No shoe-horning or re-purposing. We have youngers who deserve a go. Tom has had his chance.

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6 minutes ago, Better days ahead said:

One of the main issues (amongst many) I have with him staying and fighting it out for the lesser roles is he’ll stunt the development of younger players like Petty who are the future. Likewise trying to convert him into a winger when we should be giving Baker a run to see what he’s made of. Up forward Jackson is the future and should be playing as 3^rd tall.

If he stays he’s cover for injuries or emergencies. Otherwise he’ll see out his days at Casey.

As I’ve said before there is no role for TMac at the club. Very unfortunate how things worked out but its best for the MFC and TMac to part ways. The club needs to acknowledge the situation and just move him on. Pay a chunk of his salary and be done with it. If Tom is happy to collect his fat paycheck he needs to know that he’ll be playing in the 2’s. No shoe-horning or re-purposing. We have youngers who deserve a go. Tom has had his chance.

perfectly said... word for word

thats why im glad to see hannan go and i would have been ok with jones wrapping up.

realistically nibbler, hunt and vanders shouldnt see a single minute of senior footy going forward. spargo, bedford, sparrow, jordon deserve a chance to cement their places. it was so unfair on toby to play 1 game and then get immediately dropped. i thought his pressure on their rebound was good and a run of even 3 games in the 1s we woulda reaped the benefits. petty is our next CHB and should be there from round 1. tomlinson and smith should start at casey

[Moonshadow 16,213]

If we must, Tmac can remain as depth should May, Lever, Thomo, Rivers, Salem, Hibbert, Jetta/Lockhart, Harmes and Hore all go down with injuries. Its possible....

Edited November 5, 2020 by Moonshadow

[Queanbeyan Demon 5,964]

Is there any reason why he can't be the depth ruckman?

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10 minutes ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Is there any reason why he can't be the depth ruckman?

To be brutally frank, I would rather we keep Mitch Brown in that instance.
More mobile and better football smarts. 

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5 hours ago, Uncle Fester said:

I’d like to keep him as a CHB. 

May makes an excellent forward

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On 11/4/2020 at 12:47 PM, Dr.D said:

but mcdonald was a crap defender when he was at his peak! did you not watch him play?  a terrible decision maker with no composure. Fast forward 5 years and now he is twice as slow!

Crap defender? Bloody nonsense. He was third and 5th in our B and F as a key defender. A weakness in short passing out of defence but an excellent defender otherwise . Did much more for us in defence than Lever has done  thus far 

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4 hours ago, Turner said:

perfectly said... word for word

thats why im glad to see hannan go and i would have been ok with jones wrapping up.

realistically nibbler, hunt and vanders shouldnt see a single minute of senior footy going forward. spargo, bedford, sparrow, jordon deserve a chance to cement their places. it was so unfair on toby to play 1 game and then get immediately dropped. i thought his pressure on their rebound was good and a run of even 3 games in the 1s we woulda reaped the benefits. petty is our next CHB and should be there from round 1. tomlinson and smith should start at casey

Bloody hell! Petty at CHB?The club want to play him forward 

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12 hours ago, Billy said:

Why was it a mistake?

At the time he was a terrific player that had just come off a 50 goal season at Full Forward and was still a very capable Full Back, not to mention as a 2nd mobile ruckman

He has been loyal & stuck with us, injures are a [censored].

He kicked 50 goals  plus, having missed the first 5 games due to injury