Jump to content

  • Podcast: Trade Week   

  • Podcast: Trade Week   

TMac on the Trade Table?



Recommended Posts

We've probably done the form, physical limitations and injury discussions here a fair bit, but wonder if TMac will see the writing on the wall and look for more opportunity elsewhere?

Signed until the end of 2022; but hard to know the remuneration situation given he re-signed only 6 games into his stellar 2018 season.

Turns 28 soon so might not want to be having to compete with young players for a spot, and plenty of teams would be willing to take a punt on him IMO.

Main obstacle could be him passing a physical pending how serious a toll his injuries have taken.

Reckon it's a bit of a 'watch this space' with TMac.

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • Replies 745
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Posts

Hate the habit of bagging our players, particularly those who have given their all and are simply moving on because of the way modern sport has to be.  Tom has been a great servant for us if he needs

The contract wasn't a huge mistake, it just hasn't worked out due to injury. Tom was very very good in second half of 2017 and 2018. He kicked over 70 goals through this period and was standing up amo

What were the club thinking giving a 26 year old key forward who just kicked 50 goals after a very good ruck/forward year a 4 year deal? Should’ve just had him year to year. Maybe even made him pay su

Posted Images


2 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

just joined the list of many players that have gone backwards under Goodwin.

(Harmes, brayshaw, hunt, Melksham, Fritsch, jetta)

I mean both Brayshaw and Harmes had career best years under Goodwin, probably Melksham too.

Brayshaw & Harmes are victims of playing under Viney.

Melksham is anyones guess, with T Mac & Jetta just physically cooked.

Edited by adonski
  • Like 9
  • Thanks 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, adonski said:

I mean both Brayshaw and Harmes had career best years under Goodwin, probably Melksham too.

Brayshaw & Harmes are victims of playing under Viney.

Melksham is anyones guess, with T Mac & Jetta just physically cooked.

yeah it's an enigma as brayshaw and Harmes also played with viney in 2018.  tmac should be in his prime at 27 but sadly not. 

Link to post
Share on other sites

43 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

yeah it's an enigma as brayshaw and Harmes also played with viney in 2018.  tmac should be in his prime at 27 but sadly not. 

Funny that but Jack missed a fair bit of season 2018 with injury....but go figure.

  • Like 4
Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Dr.D said:

just joined the list of many players that have gone backwards under Goodwin.

(Harmes, brayshaw, hunt, Melksham, Fritsch, jetta)

Also joins a long list of MFC players who have gone backwards through their peak years. Do they get happy with themsleves, stop doing the work, then fall behind the pack? That would certainly fit in with the general culture of the club.

  • Like 1
  • Sad 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
7 minutes ago, rufus said:

Also joins a long list of MFC players who have gone backwards through their peak years. Do they get happy with themsleves, stop doing the work, then fall behind the pack? That would certainly fit in with the general culture of the club.

I recall he had surgery post 2018 season, got injured again during 2019. He's hardly been able to jump off the ground since. You armchair critics are quite harsh sometimes. Do you think he's deliberately ruining his reputation? Your assessment, Rufus, indicates you may have never played the game. Am I right?

  • Like 4
  • Thanks 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
10 minutes ago, dieter said:

I recall he had surgery post 2018 season, got injured again during 2019. He's hardly been able to jump off the ground since. You armchair critics are quite harsh sometimes. Do you think he's deliberately ruining his reputation? Your assessment, Rufus, indicates you may have never played the game. Am I right?

So he's crap for a reason?  whatever the reason, injury or otherwise, he is now a very average player. that's not harsh, it's a reality.

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Dr.D said:

just joined the list of many players that have gone backwards under Goodwin.

(Harmes, brayshaw, hunt, Melksham, Fritsch, jetta)

What about those who have improved?

Steven May has easily been in career best form.

Trac has been in career best form.

Sam Weideman has continued to improve.

Ed Langdon has arrived and continued to improve and be an instrumental part of the side.

Our three picks this year have all come into the side to play senior footy, and all three have looked very good.

Michael Hibberd has also had a terrific year.

I mean, sure, some have had off years, but there are plenty of other examples of improvement.

  • Like 7
  • Love 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Dr.D said:

So he's crap for a reason?  whatever the reason, injury or otherwise, he is now a very average player. that's not harsh, it's a reality.

So crap on a man who is down on his luck? I don't accept that reality.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

I think we need to know the reason for his form slump. to me Tommy at his best is quite mobile, and he hasn't had that this year, perhaps he's carrying too much weight, perhaps he's carrying an injury. 

the second component to this is his confidence is pretty shot, to be honest one of my real areas of concern with Goodwin is i think he manages players confidence really poorly, doesn't back guys in for lock enough, chops and changes too much. 

I thought Tommy wasn't playing as well as he'd have liked in his last stint but i felt personally like it wasn't too far away. he did seem to be getting to okay spots, getting his hands on the ball, just not quite clunking them.

 

  • Like 2
  • Love 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, dieter said:

I recall he had surgery post 2018 season, got injured again during 2019. He's hardly been able to jump off the ground since. You armchair critics are quite harsh sometimes. Do you think he's deliberately ruining his reputation? Your assessment, Rufus, indicates you may have never played the game. Am I right?

They sound like excuses, which ironically also fit in pefectly with the culture of the club.

I'm not comparing Tom McDonald to me, I'm comparing his performances to senior players in similar age brackets from other clubs, which i would have thought is fair to do for a highly paid athlete. We should be getting a baseline performance that is at the least competitive and can contribute positively to the team.

Unfortunately, I find it hard to think of many MFC players over the last 15 years, outside of Nathan Jones, whose performances saw a general upward trend through their peak ages. No idea exactly what the root cause is but if it doesn't change we are going nowhere.

Link to post
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

What about those who have improved?

Steven May has easily been in career best form.

Trac has been in career best form.

Sam Weideman has continued to improve.

Ed Langdon has arrived and continued to improve and be an instrumental part of the side.

Our three picks this year have all come into the side to play senior footy, and all three have looked very good.

Michael Hibberd has also had a terrific year.

I mean, sure, some have had off years, but there are plenty of other examples of improvement.

He won't acknowledged this.

Its not in his DNA. There's a few of them lurking on here who just programmed that way.

Some just feast and crave on negativity.  Its no coincidence once again our mate 'O' has gone into hiding this week.

BTW this is a good summary.

  • Like 3
Link to post
Share on other sites
13 hours ago, Dr.D said:

just joined the list of many players that have gone backwards under Goodwin.

(Harmes, brayshaw, hunt, Melksham, Fritsch, jetta)

Frittas kicking has gone out the window but has been fairly solid otherwise.

If we can do a deal we we can reduce some of his (tmac)cost we should take it.

Best for player (he has served the club with honors most of the time) and the club.

Im pretty sure the poor blokes injured in some way.

In his present form it seems he wpuld have trouble getting a game. Not a great way for such a past very good player to finish his time at the club.

 

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites
12 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

What about those who have improved?

Steven May has easily been in career best form.

Trac has been in career best form.

Sam Weideman has continued to improve.

Ed Langdon has arrived and continued to improve and be an instrumental part of the side.

Our three picks this year have all come into the side to play senior footy, and all three have looked very good.

Michael Hibberd has also had a terrific year.

I mean, sure, some have had off years, but there are plenty of other examples of improvement.

I wouldn't say Steven May is in career best form. We coughed up a very high draft pick for a known gun of the competition.

Weideman hasn't improved. In fact he hasn't played 1 game that has come close to matching his 24, 3 goal game against Geelong in the 2018 finals.

Petracca has improved this year but the question has got to be asked why it took Goodwin 6 years to get him fit enough to play midfield. 

Hibberd has been a previous All-australian. He has been good this year without being great. 

Not even sure why you are mentioning the 3 draft picks. They are chosen by Jason Taylor and the jury is well and truly out on Pickett whose lack of composure has been stark. The proof will lie in 5 years time as to whether they become good afl players.

So out of the 44 players on the list maybe 2 or 3 players have improved under Goodwin. The rest have stayed the same or got worse. He needs to go. And we need less suppporters that are content with mediocrity or scraping into the finals. 

Have people forgotten that we were aiming for top 4? I accept nothing less.

8 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

He won't acknowledged this.

Its not in his DNA. There's a few of them lurking on here who just programmed that way.

Some just feast and crave on negativity.  Its no coincidence once again our mate 'O' has gone into hiding this week.

BTW this is a good summary.

The majority of people that don't post, share my views. They are simply over the mfc and the endless promises of being a ruthless football club. 

Link to post
Share on other sites
40 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

I wouldn't say Steven May is in career best form. We coughed up a very high draft pick for a known gun of the competition.

Weideman hasn't improved. In fact he hasn't played 1 game that has come close to matching his 24, 3 goal game against Geelong in the 2018 finals.

Petracca has improved this year but the question has got to be asked why it took Goodwin 6 years to get him fit enough to play midfield. 

Hibberd has been a previous All-australian. He has been good this year without being great. 

Not even sure why you are mentioning the 3 draft picks. They are chosen by Jason Taylor and the jury is well and truly out on Pickett whose lack of composure has been stark. The proof will lie in 5 years time as to whether they become good afl players.

So out of the 44 players on the list maybe 2 or 3 players have improved under Goodwin. The rest have stayed the same or got worse. He needs to go. And we need less suppporters that are content with mediocrity or scraping into the finals. 

Have people forgotten that we were aiming for top 4? I accept nothing less.

The majority of people that don't post, share my views. They are simply over the mfc and the endless promises of being a ruthless football club. 

No he's only in All Australian form.. 

You lost me straight away with that comment. May is right now one of the best full backs in the game. His record for this year speaks for himself.

Edited by dazzledavey36
  • Like 10
Link to post
Share on other sites

6

10 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

I wouldn't say Steven May is in career best form. We coughed up a very high draft pick for a known gun of the competition.

Weideman hasn't improved. In fact he hasn't played 1 game that has come close to matching his 24, 3 goal game against Geelong in the 2018 finals.

Petracca has improved this year but the question has got to be asked why it took Goodwin 6 years to get him fit enough to play midfield. 

Hibberd has been a previous All-australian. He has been good this year without being great. 

Not even sure why you are mentioning the 3 draft picks. They are chosen by Jason Taylor and the jury is well and truly out on Pickett whose lack of composure has been stark. The proof will lie in 5 years time as to whether they become good afl players.

So out of the 44 players on the list maybe 2 or 3 players have improved under Goodwin. The rest have stayed the same or got worse. He needs to go. And we need less suppporters that are content with mediocrity or scraping into the finals. 

Have people forgotten that we were aiming for top 4? I accept nothing less.

The majority of people that don't post, share my views. They are simply over the mfc and the endless promises of being a ruthless football club. 

🤦‍♂️

  • Like 4
Link to post
Share on other sites

7 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Thank god for the ignore function 

I think I'll be employing that now.  

38 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

I wouldn't say Steven May is in career best form. We coughed up a very high draft pick for a known gun of the competition.

Weideman hasn't improved. In fact he hasn't played 1 game that has come close to matching his 24, 3 goal game against Geelong in the 2018 finals.

Petracca has improved this year but the question has got to be asked why it took Goodwin 6 years to get him fit enough to play midfield. 

Hibberd has been a previous All-australian. He has been good this year without being great. 

Not even sure why you are mentioning the 3 draft picks. They are chosen by Jason Taylor and the jury is well and truly out on Pickett whose lack of composure has been stark. The proof will lie in 5 years time as to whether they become good afl players.

So out of the 44 players on the list maybe 2 or 3 players have improved under Goodwin. The rest have stayed the same or got worse. He needs to go. And we need less suppporters that are content with mediocrity or scraping into the finals. 

Have people forgotten that we were aiming for top 4? I accept nothing less.

The majority of people that don't post, share my views. They are simply over the mfc and the endless promises of being a ruthless football club. 

I'll indulge you one last time.

Yes, May is in career best form.  

Yes, Weideman is in career best form because he has been consistent.  This is easily the most games in a row he has played.  I'd rather this than one good game against Geelong.

Yes, Petracca is in career best form and he has slowly continued to develop over those last six years.

And of course I bring up the draft picks.  They have clearly been nurtured and developed since arriving to the point where they can contribute, and contribute well, in our senior side.

And by the way, I have no idea why you go off on your rants all the time.  The rest of your post has nothing to do with the point you were trying to make - you claimed a few players had not improved or gone backwards, and I showed you the other side of the coin.  It doesn't mean I accept mediocrity or whatever you are peddling.

Now, go back to bringing Clayton Oliver up in every thread.  At least, at that, you were ever so slightly interesting.

  • Like 3
Link to post
Share on other sites

May is in career best form ... undeniably. Definitely should be AA this year.  


Back to the Tmac subject. 
 

He is now about to turn 28. He has certainly deteriorated in form and it might be time to offer him up in a trade. He might represent some value for a club looking at depth in a key position back or forward. Unfortunately his $$$ ask might scare some clubs away.  What would we get? Not much I’d imagine.  
 

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

May is in career best form ... undeniably. Definitely should be AA this year.  


Back to the Tmac subject. 
 

He is now about to turn 28. He has certainly deteriorated in form and it might be time to offer him up in a trade. He might represent some value for a club looking at depth in a key position back or forward. Unfortunately his $$$ ask might scare some clubs away.  What would we get? Not much I’d imagine.  
 

A late second , early third rounder i’d think ( at best) and we’d agree to cover a fair chunk of his salary too i imagine. BUT it’s posssible that is still worth it if the club thinks he’s not going to get better. Or if he IS genuinely cooked injury wise then come to an arrangement w his salary and retire him. Perhaps keep him on in some coaching capacity to offset that as when he could run he was a fitness beast. 

Link to post
Share on other sites
11 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

May is in career best form ... undeniably. Definitely should be AA this year.  


Back to the Tmac subject. 
 

He is now about to turn 28. He has certainly deteriorated in form and it might be time to offer him up in a trade. He might represent some value for a club looking at depth in a key position back or forward. Unfortunately his $$$ ask might scare some clubs away.  What would we get? Not much I’d imagine.  
 

Sad but i can't see any club being interested with his form over last 2 years.  On 700-800K roughly a year, we would have to pay half of it and i still think there would be no takers. He has fallen so far in quick time.  Hope by miracle he rediscovers some of his best footy, just seems really unlikely now :(

Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles

    THE TASMANIAN TIGER by Whispering Jack

    I first saw Ben Brown on a cold Tuesday night in May, 2013 playing for the Werribee Tigers against Queanbeyan in a televised Foxtel Cup game before a sparse crowd at Etihad Stadium. His teammate and former Demon Jordan Gysberts was the star of the side’s 85-point belting of the hapless ACT club but the then 20 year old, 200cm Brown was also a stand out.  Earlier that year, the athletic big man had left his native Tasmania in an effort to make the grade after being overlooked in three drafts

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Special Features

    THE TRADING CHRONICLES 2020 by The Oracle

    Part One: The Cure It could be coincidental but since the AFL Free Agency and Trade Period began, the State of Victoria has recorded eight consecutive days of no new active cases and no deaths from Covid19. It might be a little early to announce that a cure for this dreaded virus has been discovered but one thing can be said with some certainty after following the ins and outs of the free agency and trading process — mankind is still a long way off finding a cure for boredom. That stat

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Special Features 1

    CHANGES 2020 by The Oracle

    Part One: A very strange year Things might have been somewhat hairy when the 1919 football season opened up in the wake of the ending of a world war and in the middle of a pandemic that took millions of lives but it’s difficult to imagine a more unusual football season than the one that ended a week or so ago. For starters, the footy is supposed to finish on that one day in September on the MCG in mild spring weather; not deep into October at the Gabba amid warnings of tropical storms and h

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Special Features

    DEMONLAND 2020 A TO Z by George on the Outer

    A- Alice Springs. Happy hunting ground.     B- Backline. Finally found the non-leaking version.   C- Cairns & Covid. How a season was ruined.    D- Demonland. Mental Health facility run by the inmates.   E- The grade you get when you don’t make F- F- Finals. What are they? G- Goals. Lack of them. Need a forward who can kick them….lots! H- Hub. Where players got to live with people you can’t stand. I- Injuries. Miracle cure provided by Dr. Burgess.  

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Special Features

    WASH, RINSE, SPIN, REPEAT! by George On The Outer

    Although the Demons got over the line in their must win final round game against the hapless Bombers, they ensured it was Groundhog Day for their supporters who well remember what happened three years ago (although, this time they at least enjoyed the success of victory). Melbourne had its customary start dominating play and having plenty of chances in front of goal, only to find itself down on the scoreboard at the first change. Inaccurate kicking, particularly from set shots would have pu

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    THE LUCK OF THE DRAW by Whispering Jack

    The long awaited clash between Melbourne and Essendon is almost upon us. Thirty-seven rounds of AFL football have passed by since the two clubs met on a balmy early April night last year in a game that produced a high scoring shootout at the MCG with the Bombers prevailing by 18 points. It was their only meeting for 2019 and happened at a time when the pandemic was something on the far distant horizon. Several months later when the 2019 season ended, the AFL issued the first of its fixtures

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    THERE’S STILL A HEARTBEAT by George on the Outer

    When bottom side Adelaide scrapped together a win over the Giants last week, a tiny glimmer of hope opened up for the Demons’ finals chances. The patient was in intensive care but not quite finished — there was a faint pulse, a heart beating ever so slightly but was it enough when two more wins and other results were needed to fall their way? The first step was the resuscitation of a team that had lost its last two matches against sides then sitting fifteenth and sixteenth on the ladder. On

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports 1

    THE FINAL HUMILIATION by The Oracle

    On Sunday, the Melbourne Football Club that won three consecutive games by in excess of 50 points last month returns to the Gabba, the scene of the last of those victories which was a 56 point drubbing of Collingwood. The Demons got off to a good start and won every quarter with a ruthless and powerful brand of football. They kicked 16 goals that day, their accuracy in front of goal a tribute to the skills the put on display throughout the afternoon and evening. In the four matches playe

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    GIVEN THE OLD HEAVE HO’ by George on the Outer

    Fremantle gave Melbourne the old heave ho’ from playing finals in 2020, in conditions that the Demons yet again failed to handle.   With the whole season on the line and the need to win to stay in contention for finals, what the fans saw was much the same as they have been witnessing so many times before — a complete debacle and capitulation against a side that sat 15th on the ladder before the game.     Promises made after the loss to the 16th placed Sydney Swans were rendered h

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    GETTING THE HEAVE HO by Bananabender

    The ute barely made it up to Cairns in time for us to check into the motel, fling a cane toad out the bathroom. and head over to Cazaly’s Stadium where we took up our position on the wing. There, we saw a completely different Melbourne to the one we watched on the screen only a few nights earlier from Alice Springs. This lot wore similar colours and Maxy dominated the ruck but the similarities ended there - the Demons were simply dreadful against the Swans. They started sluggishly, were spe

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    A CLANGER IN CAIRNS by George on the Outer

    Having fought back into finals contention, the Demons had it all before them when facing a lowly Sydney in Cairns.  But in typical Melbourne fashion, they threw away the opportunity to cement their spot in the eight with a clanger of a game.  Right from the start, there was little to enthuse from the Melbourne players, who appeared to think that they only had to turn up, enjoy the North Queensland sun, and take away the four points.  Compared with the furious ground wide pressure of the

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    TEN MINUTES LATE by Whispering Jack

    The late Norm Smith, who played in four Melbourne premierships and coached another six, was a strong disciplinarian. Known as the Red Fox for his auburn hair and his cunning, Smith was a man of a different age to the here and now. Born during the Great War, he survived the Spanish Flu Pandemic, grew up in depression times, played mostly through the Second World War and its aftermath and coached in a period of rebuilding and recovery to a time of prosperity. Smith’s success was built on team

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews


×
×
  • Create New...