TMac on the Trade Table?

[Kent 2,581]

3 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Can't say I agree.

We re-contracted Tom in 2018, his FA year when several clubs were pretty keen on him.  So the club had to go some way to meeting the market so I'm not overly critical of the $, especially if it was part of a back-ended deal (not saying it was). 

What concerned me more was the 4 years (apparently without triggers) knowing that he missed the first part of 2018 after double ankle surgery and had subsequently injured his toe. 

Yes LH thats was my concern 4 years 

 

[Diamond_Jim 11,740]

The deal I would be pushing is:

Tom takes $100k drop

We pay $250k

New club pays $350k

No use having him on the list and the above frees up $450k of our salary cap. For the recipient club it is a 2 year risk on minimum money just like us with KK and Bennell etc etc.

For those saying why should Tom take a drop the answer is simple.At Melbourne he wont get a game and in two years his career is effectively finished.

[deelusions from afar 1,608]

26 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

The deal I would be pushing is:

Tom takes $100k drop

We pay $250k

New club pays $350k

No use having him on the list and the above frees up $450k of our salary cap. For the recipient club it is a 2 year risk on minimum money just like us with KK and Bennell etc etc.

For those saying why should Tom take a drop the answer is simple.At Melbourne he wont get a game and in two years his career is effectively finished.

But surely his manager would be telling him not to drop the salary for that very reason?  Tom is a bright guy as far as footballers go so it's not like he won't have anything to do after footy - but the way he's played the last two years (largely due to injury) then he's not AFL standard so should be making the most of it as much as he can financially.

I see other people say it's bad management to trade him after we've offered him the contract and that he's versatile and can play anywhere.  If he is in 2017/2018 form and fitness he is worth every cent of the contract - the fact that we are looking to trade him suggests to me that they don't believe he can get back to those levels of fitness.

[whatwhat say what 18,899]

he won't drop any salary for the next two years

i thought we might get away paying $200k per annum but it would appear that we'll have to pay closer to $300-350k if he's on upwards of $700k guaranteed a year

[Diamond_Jim 11,740]

6 minutes ago, deelusions from afar said:

But surely his manager would be telling him not to drop the salary for that very reason?  Tom is a bright guy as far as footballers go so it's not like he won't have anything to do after footy - but the way he's played the last two years (largely due to injury) then he's not AFL standard so should be making the most of it as much as he can financially.

He's only punting 200k of his own money that he continues his career under my formula.

he still gets $1.2Modd and a chance to get one more contract.

Stay at Melbourne and he most likely plays at Casey in 2021

Edited November 9, 2020 by Diamond_Jim

[daisycutter 28,485]

34 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

The deal I would be pushing is:

Tom takes $100k drop

We pay $250k

New club pays $350k

No use having him on the list and the above frees up $450k of our salary cap. For the recipient club it is a 2 year risk on minimum money just like us with KK and Bennell etc etc.

For those saying why should Tom take a drop the answer is simple.At Melbourne he wont get a game and in two years his career is effectively finished.

yep, at the age of 30

can't see any reason why he would drop 2 x $100k = $200k

[deanox 8,565]

58 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

yep, at the age of 30

can't see any reason why he would drop 2 x $100k = $200k

He would only do it if it got him a 3rd year.

Ie drop to 3 × $600k, or 2x $600k + 1× $400k with incentives.

Better off overall, better off tax wise, extends career when may be on the way out.

[58er 5,607]

5 hours ago, Kent said:

Really is incompetence from DEES

Don't think Club could believe how quickly Tom has degenerated in form and statistics inside 2 seasons.

Hopefully a great Clubman like Tom can turn it around despite dodgy ankles and toes.

Best scenario is he stays and can be depth or if he rediscovers his form then the forward spots open up and even ruck or defence. Speed is crucial in his Recovery  if he is to be  Useful and relevant this  season.

[Redleg 37,556]

9 minutes ago, 58er said:

Don't think Club could believe how quickly Tom has degenerated in form and statistics inside 2 seasons.

Hopefully a great Clubman like Tom can turn it around despite dodgy ankles and toes.

Best scenario is he stays and can be depth or if he rediscovers his form then the forward spots open up and even ruck or defence. Speed is crucial in his Recovery  if he is to be  Useful and relevant this  season.

Drop a bit more weight and work on acceleration and holding marks if he stays.

[daisycutter 28,485]

25 minutes ago, deanox said:

He would only do it if it got him a 3rd year.

Ie drop to 3 × $600k, or 2x $600k + 1× $400k with incentives.

Better off overall, better off tax wise, extends career when may be on the way out.

tom getting a contract for $400k at age 31 would be long odds

i'd take $200k in hand rather than risk a resurrection in 3 years time at $400k

p.s. no tax savings - all amounts off the top at top tax rate either way (unless playing funny buggers with other planned losses)

Edited November 9, 2020 by daisycutter

[titan_uranus 22,290]

2 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

The deal I would be pushing is:

Tom takes $100k drop

We pay $250k

New club pays $350k

No use having him on the list and the above frees up $450k of our salary cap. For the recipient club it is a 2 year risk on minimum money just like us with KK and Bennell etc etc.

For those saying why should Tom take a drop the answer is simple.At Melbourne he wont get a game and in two years his career is effectively finished.

We're entitled to explore a paycut option, and you're right that a paycut for someone on $700k per year isn't disastrous.

But his career is on track to finish at the end of this contract no matter what. He has a daughter, and to be perfectly honest he's entitled to the money we owe him on his contract.

So if he doesn't take it and instead prefers to stay with us and try to break back into the best 22, that's his prerogative and we'll have to deal with it.

[deanox 8,565]

48 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

tom getting a contract for $400k at age 31 would be long odds

i'd take $200k in hand rather than risk a resurrection in 3 years time at $400k

p.s. no tax savings - all amounts off the top at top tax rate either way (unless playing funny buggers with other planned losses)

The tax saving for him is that if he moves 100k from year 1 and 2 into yr 3, that $200k starts in the lowest tax brackets again in the 3rd year, instead of being at the top bracket in year 1 and 2.. It would only be a benefit if he wasnt otherwise going to get a contract or income in yr 3. 

If a player retires end of season and takes a few months off (ie doesnt earn any income from Nov-July) that last little pay packet could be quite tax effective vs a normal season. I imagine most earn something else though. 

[Lord Nev 13,511]

Don't reckon he's going to Essendon now...

 

[Cheap Seats 3,300]

Poor Tom.

Mind you i reckon Toms a better player than Wright.

Essendon clutching at straws.

Mind you if no one wants Tommy I'm happy we keep him.  Get fired up Tom come back fit and tear it up.

[Cards13 9,117]

7 minutes ago, Unleash Hell said:

Poor Tom.

Mind you i reckon Toms a better player than Wright.

Essendon clutching at straws.

Mind you if no one wants Tommy I'm happy we keep him.  Get fired up Tom come back fit and tear it up.

I was speaking to a client today, mad Dees man, he’s following most of the Dees players on insta ( no not the scooter riding little guy) and he’s said it looks like while most of the others are travelling Tmac is just working to shed kgs. Insta, how wonderful lol.

[Pates 9,536]

2 hours ago, 58er said:

Don't think Club could believe how quickly Tom has degenerated in form and statistics inside 2 seasons.

Hopefully a great Clubman like Tom can turn it around despite dodgy ankles and toes.

Best scenario is he stays and can be depth or if he rediscovers his form then the forward spots open up and even ruck or defence. Speed is crucial in his Recovery  if he is to be  Useful and relevant this  season.

It happened the moment we put all our eggs into the Tom/Weid basket, I remembered thinking when we traded Hogan (and we can argue that was going to happen regardless) that this is a big gamble to be saying we expect Tom to be able to perform that way year after year.

Sadly it was a gamble that definitely has not paid off. 

We also expected Weids development to shoot up in 2019, but that still hasn’t really happened (improved in 2020 but still not to the level we need him to be). 

[Half forward flank 1,022]

Happy for Tom to stay, work hard, drop weight, adjust his game plan. Brown or Weid goes down and he is back as a wanted player. He got lucky with his contract. Good for him.

[old dee 22,848]

4 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

He's only punting 200k of his own money that he continues his career under my formula.

he still gets $1.2Modd and a chance to get one more contract.

Stay at Melbourne and he most likely plays at Casey in 2021

If he is only capable of playing at Casey while at Melbourne then why would he be more capable at another club. If that is the level he has reduced to why would any other club want him?

[Deemania since 56 6,132]

On 11/5/2020 at 3:27 PM, Ron Burgundy said:

If we can’t trade him, I agree.

Then we can have Lever as the third tall where he can focus on intercept marking.

 

That looks like the plan to me, as well. He is not trade bait until he regains form. Heavy summer of medical reviews and treatments may well see his form return. At least, his form as a CHB - he knows that game rather well. Fingers crossed. 

[faultydet 7,593]

6 hours ago, Redleg said:

Are you seriously suggesting that Tom could play wing in 2021? Wow!

Was about to post the same thing when I saw your post.

Very strange suggestion.

[Diamond_Jim 11,740]

30 minutes ago, old dee said:

If he is only capable of playing at Casey while at Melbourne then why would he be more capable at another club. If that is the level he has reduced to why would any other club want him?

My reasoning is that he sits behind Weid, Ben Brown and Jackson at MFC as far as forwards go plus arguably Fritsch.

Similarly no room in the backline and his game style even when fit probably doesn't suit the present gameplan.

In another team he might not have as many players in front of him. North for example.

Still haven't heard anyone mention the contract term for Ben Brown. At $550k a year sounds good but hopefully only three years.

[rjay 23,888]

7 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

My reasoning is that he sits behind Weid, Ben Brown and Jackson at MFC as far as forwards go plus arguably Fritsch.

Similarly no room in the backline and his game style even when fit probably doesn't suit the present gameplan.

In another team he might not have as many players in front of him. North for example.

Still haven't heard anyone mention the contract term for Ben Brown. At $550k a year sounds good but hopefully only three years.

If North wanted to do that then they would have kept Brown rather than bring in Tommy.

[Diamond_Jim 11,740]

1 minute ago, rjay said:

If North wanted to do that then they would have kept Brown rather than bring in Tommy.

at $350k they might be happy to take a chance.

Let's face it he's now a fringe project player at best.

[Blistering 490]

17 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

at $350k they might be happy to take a chance.

Let's face it he's now a fringe project player at best.

North have indicated they’re not interested in Tom.

[Diamond_Jim 11,740]

34 minutes ago, Blistering said:

North have indicated they’re not interested in Tom.

surely there is someone who'll take him at a bargain price.