POSTMATCH DISCUSSION - Round 18

[Sir Why You Little 36,987]

1 minute ago, DeezNuts said:

Don’t hate me for saying anything this but:

1. Frost really improved

2. Oliver’s hands are amazing

3. Fritch tried all night (enjoy your 2 week holiday Hawkins)

4. Melk, ANB and believe it or not - Trac really stood up all night - well done Trac

5. Goody failed to call junk time 1:30 out from the siren to hold the lead...

FMD’s, the boys did well, the coach failed.

Correct Nutz. 

There were some great efforts tonight

The Coaches failed badly

[gregdemon 624]

1 minute ago, Travis16 said:

Spot on, some just don't get it do they....

 

1 minute ago, Devil is in the Detail said:

Why. If we don't beat Swans we won't have to wait for round 23 for the news. We miss finals by round 22.

well not make finals and do not deserve too  losing to saints    and then falling over against cats  again.    Of course the effort was good  so what we got nothing...      no way  make finals now.   o

 

Oh I forgot  we are on a journey

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,685]

2 minutes ago, McQueen said:

This is so bad I don’t even feel like having sex.

How could sex even be running through your mind after that?

[Jaded No More 68,867]

Just now, DeezNuts said:

Don’t hate me for saying anything this but:

1. Frost really improved

2. Oliver’s hands are amazing

3. Fritch tried all night (enjoy your 2 week holiday Hawkins)

4. Melk, ANB and believe it or not - Trac really stood up all night - well done Trac

5. Goody failed to call junk time 1:30 out from the siren to hold the lead...

FMD’s, the boys did well, the coach failed.

I think you nailed it with your last line.

The players worked bloody hard while the coaches had a nap. 

Not for the first time, a lot of questions need to be asked about matchups and game day moves. 

I thought the players all did their best, but nothing is more glaring in a close game than poor coaching and poor leadership. Sadly we suffer from both. 

[praha 11,236]

8 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

That is it. We cannot defend. 

Who cares if we have a % of 115 if we only have 11 wins

it is pathetic

Once again. We should have won that game by at least 4 goals

 

Not impressed with Goodwin thus far

He is Bailey 2.0, but with a better overall list.

Can you imagine if Roos was still coaching this group?

[Hellaintabadplacetobe 4,294]

One of the more heartbreaking losses in my 50 years.

Effort can't be questioned,  but the there are still massive question marks about our collective mentality.

We missed Viney terribly tonight. 

[Bonkers 994]

5 minutes ago, Tony Tea said:

We are doing just about everything right... except win.

We aren't mate and that's why it's such an infuriating loss. We have not learnt anything this year. How many times do we want to waste our midfield dominance and not put teams away? It's cost us twice against Geelong and also against Port. We are wasteful going inside 50 and wasteful on Goal. We had multiple opportunities to put Geelong away early in the last qtr as well as late. It's ok to make a mistake once but we keep making the same mistake over and over again. That's just [censored] stupidity or lack of ability, maybe it's both.

To give up a 5 goal lead I think you'd have to say the occasion and pressure got to them in the last quarter. They literally shat themselves. I'd say there is a lot of things that they aren't doing in between the ears that is right. 

Goodwin again has a lot to answer for with regards to our defensive set up. Out coached again by Scott as hard as that is to say. 

This club never ceases to amaze me in all the wrong ways. 

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

The MFC needs to protest to the AFL to prevent Nichols from ever umpiring another game of ours.  The guy clearly has issues with the MFC.  Two insane examples (for a start).... the Harmes 50m penalty decision tonight (which clearly wasn't there) and the one against Melksham in the square running into an open goal against Port (which i'm still scratching my head over)

Has had it in for us ever since from last season when Max knocked the ball away and he cracked it.

[picket fence 17,069]

40 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Frost should have been there all night with OMAC DOWN AT THE POST OFFICE.

Yep Primary school coaching!

[Wiseblood 24,637]

1 minute ago, Radar Detector said:

We have not won a crunch game against a good side since Port Adelaide in R18 last year which is a full season ago. Obviously we are in it mathematically and the team has ability, sure. But I’m yet to see evidence we mentally have the chops to win against any of the good sides. I think Adelaide will be very tough at home despite our earlier clash, WCE is near impossible, GWS are running into form and have the pace to expose us at the G and Sydney are exactly the type of mentally strong team we almost never beat. I applaud your glass half full and wish I had it in me to feel the same right now, but an extended body of evidence has me feeling pretty from. #MFCSS

I get it.  Trust me.  I know it doesn't seem like it, but I get that we are yet to prove ourselves fully against opposition inside the top 8.  We pushed the Cats and pushed Port, but we haven't done more than that, which I agree is not good enough.

But the Sydney game today is one example of how anything can happen in the league this year.  Outside of playing Carlton, you can lose a game of footy if you switch off for long enough.  We are still in the eight and we still have time to put together some notable wins that can propel us towards finals footy.

It might feel terrible right now, and very hard to see, but finals are still in our future this season if we want it.

[bjDee 1,249]

F’n gutted with that result

[Moonshadow 17,675]

Not shifting Frost on to Hawkins earlier was a mistake

[Mondê 525]

1 minute ago, titan_uranus said:

Having watched the last two minutes, a number of things stand out:

1. JKH's miss was horrendous. He could have straightened up.
2. Petracca's barrel wasn't terrible. It got a good result, a throw in. 
3. Garlett's snap attempt with 50 seconds to go was rubbish, he should have been aiming for 20m out, instead he went for the goal from the pocket and gave the ball back.
4. When Vince spoiled the kick in we should have been able to wrap the ball inside 50 but we failed to do that.
5. Our defensive set-up was too loose, it was man-on-man inside their 50 (someone should have been standing in the hole), Menzel was free, Duncn was able to run past Hawkins (which saved them enough time).

Vince [censored] spoiled Melksham who would have marked it. Absolute panic merchants in clutch moments. Soul destroying stuff, seriously gutted. Will stew on this all week. 

[Dusty_Hill 194]

I’m as gutted as the rest of you for sure. 

I didn’t but now do have question marks over Goodwin. 

Moir list is pretty amazing and when you consider the amount of game most of he guys have played it’s impressive how well they did against some of the best in the game tonight. 

Massive pity they couldn’t do it for four quarters and I’m really [censored] off. But the future is still okay. 

Chin up people. I’m proud of the guys and the huge effort they put in. Hope it drives em cause they are good enough. 

 

Night. 

[DeleteUser 638]

4 minutes ago, McQueen said:

This is so bad I don’t even feel like having sex.

Your hands will be relieved! "Down tools blokes!"

( joking!!)

[SaberFang 7,151]

9 minutes ago, Roost It said:

I’d hate to be relying on any of you in a pressure situation. You go to water much like your team 

What's this even mean mate? More like we're realists who aren't falling into the same trap as last year where we get our hopes up and have them bitterly crushed, pulped and minced in the final round of the season. And yet, for all the fanfare, we're heading for the exact same [censored] conclusion this year. 

I don't blame supporters for being proactive and refusing to put themselves through the same [censored] masochism two years running. And rest assured, I'm calling it now, it WILL happen again this year. We've done it again. 

Edited July 21, 2018 by SaberFang

[—coach— 3,496]

Last 4 games against Geelong:

2016 - 24.11 to 6.8

2017 - 20.6 to 13.19

2018 - 16.4 to 14.14

Is it too much to ask that we kick a little straighter against them and they miss the odd shot or two?

[frankie_d 1,471]

1 minute ago, TRIGON said:

Disappointing is an understatement.  However we can, and should, able to beat the crows, sunscreen and swans to lock in a finals appearance.

I think the Swans are too tough for us. Mentally. Hope I'm wrong. 

Don't think we'll win enough to get there. Tonight wouldn't be so hard if we beat the Saints. How could we lose to them. 

 

Unconvinced about Goodwin. 

[ding 5,126]

34 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

True.

However, the Swans proved today they are more than beatable.  The Crows are too, even in Adelaide, a ground we play well.  The Eagles will be tough, and so will GWS, but we get them at the G.  We have the talent and ability to win 3 of those.  Plus the Suns game.  Finals are still well and truly alive.

 

The way StKilda and Geelong were beatable? Or a different kind of beatable?

Going by that same logic, Gold Coast proved today that they are more than capable of beating us.

You cant just look at whatever side of the story fits your narrative and ignore the rest. FWIW we might beat Sydney, but the other games look like being beyond our ability. If we do make finals, it will probably be by percentage only.

Today was a huge setback.

HUGE.

 

[DeleteUser 638]

2 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

I get it.  Trust me.  I know it doesn't seem like it, but I get that we are yet to prove ourselves fully against opposition inside the top 8.  We pushed the Cats and pushed Port, but we haven't done more than that, which I agree is not good enough.

But the Sydney game today is one example of how anything can happen in the league this year.  Outside of playing Carlton, you can lose a game of footy if you switch off for long enough.  We are still in the eight and we still have time to put together some notable wins that can propel us towards finals footy.

It might feel terrible right now, and very hard to see, but finals are still in our future this season if we want it.

Won't happen

players don't want it

and/or coach can't coach for it

[Diamond_Jim 12,551]

1 minute ago, praha said:

He is Bailey 2.0, but with a better overall list.

Can you imagine if Roos was still coaching this group?

yep... I think many of us have come to realise that he is not much chop and that his inadequacy is being masked somewhat by the strength of the list.

If we go anywhere it will be in spite of him not because of him.

His match day skills are almost non existent.

[chook fowler 19,447]

Oscar looks like he is on the Weed. Flat affect, vacant stare and very slow to react. He is at best a bit player, not the main man.

[Devil In Disguise 2,278]

2 minutes ago, TRIGON said:

Disappointing is an understatement.  However we can, and should, able to beat the crows, sunscreen and swans to lock in a finals appearance.

Crows now a different proposition at home with all their players back. We are well & truly cooked after that soul destroying result.

No Lever & probably Hibbo to count on either.

[titan_uranus 24,978]

2 minutes ago, Mondê said:

Vince [censored] spoiled Melksham who would have marked it. Absolute panic merchants in clutch moments. Soul destroying stuff, seriously gutted. Will stew on this all week. 

You're right. Can't believe I missed that.

Immediately following that, the ball spills to Brayshaw who is driven into the ground, via his back, by Ablett. No free. 

[Jaded No More 68,867]

1 minute ago, Wiseblood said:

I get it.  Trust me.  I know it doesn't seem like it, but I get that we are yet to prove ourselves fully against opposition inside the top 8.  We pushed the Cats and pushed Port, but we haven't done more than that, which I agree is not good enough.

But the Sydney game today is one example of how anything can happen in the league this year.  Outside of playing Carlton, you can lose a game of footy if you switch off for long enough.  We are still in the eight and we still have time to put together some notable wins that can propel us towards finals footy.

It might feel terrible right now, and very hard to see, but finals are still in our future this season if we want it.

I appreciate your positivity at a time when I want to go on a murderous rampage through Geelong, but after failing to take every chance we have had this year in close contests, what makes you think anything will change between now and the end of the season?

We are definitely not getting key players back anytime soon. We are definitely not getting a new coach. What is going to change?