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Weideman's big problem is that he doesn't consistently do the basics well, which means that he feels the need to compensate by doing something spectacular.

Most of us would be delighted if he could give us two lead-mark-goal plays a game, coupled with some decent defensive work.

But when he is dropping relatively simple marks in front of his eyes, or spraying set shots, I wonder if he will ever consistently operate at the required level of intensity.

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37 minutes ago, dieter said:

Darcy Moore: hardly stunning figures, my boy,

Statistics are correct to the end of the 2018 season[6]
Legend
 G  Goals  B  Behinds  K  Kicks  H  Handballs  D  Disposals  M  Marks  T  Tackles
Season Team No. Games G B K H D M T G B K H D M T
Totals Averages (per game)
Career 54 61 36 333 183 516 260 93 1.1 0.7 6.2 3.4 9.6 4.8 1.7
2015 Collingwood 30 9 9 3 49 32 81 29 16 1.0 0.3 5.4 3.6 9.0 3.2 1.8
2016 Collingwood 30 17 24 14 95 59 154 77 29 1.4 0.8 5.6 3.5 9.1 4.5 1.7
2017 Collingwood 30 21 25 19 152 68 220 125 40 1.2 0.9 7.2 3.2 10.5 6.0 1.9
2018 Collingwood 30 7 3 0 37 24 61 29 8 0.4 0.0 5.3 3.4 8.7 4.1 1.1

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Where have I disputed that? You said he often played VFL not that he was an ordinary forward.

Moore has elite speed for a tall. Weideman is slow. If you can't see that and are just focusing on stats then that says it all.

Moore was always an inconsistent forward and would go missing for large parts of games, however, he always had outstanding athletic traits that suit the modern game.

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1 hour ago, Watts the matter said:

Where have I disputed that? You said he often played VFL not that he was an ordinary forward.

Moore has elite speed for a tall. Weideman is slow. If you can't see that and are just focusing on stats then that says it all.

Moore was always an inconsistent forward and would go missing for large parts of games, however, he always had outstanding athletic traits that suit the modern game.

I can't see why we're arguing about this. All I've said is it took Moore, Daniher and Hawkins many games to deliver their potential. Moore's speed is irrelevant...

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With TMac out for the rest of the year, it's now Weideman as the lone tall forward. Hopefully he is able to stand up and build some form!

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Practically speaking, with TMAC done for the season - I assume Preuss goes forward. Does that mean Weid gets the no 1 or no 2 backman? 

I actually think Weids job will be harder through the lack of TMacs presence.

so I for one won’t be judging a poor output too much from him because of this circumstance 

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2 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

Practically speaking, with TMAC done for the season - I assume Preuss goes forward. Does that mean Weid gets the no 1 or no 2 backman? 

I actually think Weids job will be harder through the lack of TMacs presence.

so I for one won’t be judging a poor output too much from him because of this circumstance 

I think the opposite 'EO'...

Yes he may get the best defender but he will also be more our focus.

It could be the making of him, he just might step up.

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2 minutes ago, rjay said:

I think the opposite 'EO'...

Yes he may get the best defender but he will also be more our focus.

It could be the making of him, he just might step up.

Lot of may, could and might there rjay. 

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41 minutes ago, old dee said:

Lot of may, could and might there rjay. 

You're old enough to know that there are very few certainties in this life 'old dee'...

...but Weid has surprised and stepped up before and I wouldn't be surprised to see him surprise again.

There you go...a few surprise/surprised there for you.

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1 minute ago, rjay said:

You're old enough to know that there are very few certainties in this life 'old dee'...

...but Weid has surprised and stepped up before and I wouldn't be surprised to see him surprise again.

There you go...a few surprise/surprised there for you.

Forgive me rjay. But there are a couple of certainties but saying them would have me called pessimistic.

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54 minutes ago, rjay said:

I think the opposite 'EO'...

Yes he may get the best defender but he will also be more our focus.

It could be the making of him, he just might step up.

Same. Assuming Gawn comes back in sooner rather than later and we can get Preuss and Gawn swapping in the ruck/long bomb role. 

Weid can then lead up and get some touches in space or if the long kick comes to the wing he can be inside 50. 

Tom and Sam struggled to get the right chemistry, it might be easier with a more predictable partner. 

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2 hours ago, dieter said:

I can't see why we're arguing about this. All I've said is it took Moore, Daniher and Hawkins many games to deliver their potential. Moore's speed is irrelevant...

I think it comes down to if you think he has the tools to make it. I can seem him playing good games here and there but can't see him doing it consistently with his attributes.

As I've said in previous posts, if you compare him to his draft class of talls he is struggling. Yes it can take some key position players longer to develop, that's why you look at traits such as Moore's athleticism. I just don't see the tools with Weideman, he lumbers like a 203cm ruckman when the ball is 5 meters away. I'm happy that he will get the rest of the season to show what he has got and show some improvement and will avoid commenting on him until the season ends, as I do post about him too often.

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13 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

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And the blokes 5 years younger...

Yes, but Lynch has the runs on the board over a number of years, and is also coming off pretty much no preseason. Not really apples with apples, Onions.

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33 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Yes, but Lynch has the runs on the board over a number of years, and is also coming off pretty much no preseason. Not really apples with apples, Onions.

Ahhh, I'm probably just enthusiastic.

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13 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

Ahhh, I'm probably just enthusiastic.

Very, Lynch has kicked 23 more goals and played just 4 more games. 

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I never bought fully into the hype last year on Sam but haven’t also committed to the pessimism that a few around here have either. I still feel as I always have that Sam will be a solid CHF, not a star, just a decent role player.

He’s still a kid who basically gets tagged every week by a gun defender and has to deal with crappy delivery and a non functioning forward line.

He’s clearly low on confidence at the moment as his set shot kicking in his short career (up until the last few weeks) has always been beautiful and his hands aren’t quite as sure however we have seen enough moments to back in the kid for a while to come.

He should still be playing twos even now and make him tear games apart there and kick the door down, demanding to get back into the ones. 

Instead, through no fault of his own we’ve thrown him (and Oscar) into the wolves as under developed players trying to be key men in a poorly playing team and have had to deal with over the top expectations.

I still think he will be fine and will continue to improve with time.

Have faith 

 

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I absolutely agree with you Deeko. He is a much more athletic and skilled player than he has been demonstrating this year. The constant criticism and heightened expectations, plus the media coverage of his resigning earlier this year have clearly played on his mind. It is no wonder that so many young AFL players have been suffering from depression. The criticism from armchair 'experts' on social media, journalists and past football players who are paid handsomely to make comments is unfortunately, affecting the well being of many of our young AFL players. 

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23 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said:

I like Weideman.

 

Ron - as one of the dwindling numbers who saw the 1958 GF, I never thought that I could possibly utter those words, but I concur.

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Weids is a typical young KPP.

 

Can't seem to read the play.

Is nowhere near strong enough to win a body on body contest.

Is not fit enough to play the Nick Reiwoldt game.

Goes missing far too often.

But when he attacks a contest with "that look" in his eyes, i can't help but think he will one day explode onto the scene as a real focal point.

Still young. Give him another pre season or 2. I think he has the goods.

 

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4 hours ago, faultydet said:

Weids is a typical young KPP.

 

Can't seem to read the play.

Is nowhere near strong enough to win a body on body contest.

Is not fit enough to play the Nick Reiwoldt game.

Goes missing far too often.

But when he attacks a contest with "that look" in his eyes, i can't help but think he will one day explode onto the scene as a real focal point.

Still young. Give him another pre season or 2. I think he has the goods.

 

Agree Faulty.

He is a work in progress. He does something that most young KP forwards dont do at his age and thats crash packs but also always has his arms outreached. Those marks will start to stick once he gets more game experience and added strength.

 

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It takes these big kids until about 25yrs old to the reach the maturity and gain the body they need to play at afl level.He will a very good player or even elite in the next few years

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On 7/7/2019 at 8:06 PM, picket fence said:

He is that far from Darcy Moore its fanciful!

Darcy Moore was a hit and miss forward until Bucks swung him back.

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On 7/9/2019 at 7:35 AM, dazzledavey36 said:

Agree Faulty.

He is a work in progress. He does something that most young KP forwards dont do at his age and thats crash packs but also always has his arms outreached. Those marks will start to stick once he gets more game experience and added strength.

 

Added strength is the key i reckon. At the moment he can't match the big boys for strengthen and gets pushed off the ball far too easily. A couple more years and two more preseasons and he'll improve this big time

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On ‎7‎/‎9‎/‎2019 at 2:49 AM, faultydet said:

Weids is a typical young KPP.

 

Can't seem to read the play.

Is nowhere near strong enough to win a body on body contest.

Is not fit enough to play the Nick Reiwoldt game.

Goes missing far too often.

But when he attacks a contest with "that look" in his eyes, i can't help but think he will one day explode onto the scene as a real focal point.

Still young. Give him another pre season or 2. I think he has the goods.

 

That's what worries me most about him faulty.

He just doesn't get to the contest often enough. I'm not sure how much of that can be trained into him - he seems to lack instinct.

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