The treatment of Dean Kent

[McQueen 17,864]

47 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

It's also worth considering that sometimes when you've been dealt a devastating blow- you might ask for people to leave you alone...

"Get the f@&$ away from me!"

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,833]

Had my shoulder dislocated playing suburban footy.  I was waiting hours in casualty at the local hospital.  When one of the nurses/doctors came to see me they were rude enough to tell me to "get a new sport"... didn't happen.

I must say, that people have different pain responses to this kind of injury.  Personally I've had more painful injuries than a dislocated shoulder.  When I did it, it was more of a constant nagging pain than something excruciating.  Just felt super tired like I'd been carying a tonne of bricks around pulling on my arm for hours on end.  The female doctor that put it back in simply lifted and rolled the sholder back, then without me even realising, it was back in.  I had been expecting the full Mel Gibson, Leathel Weapon shoulder slamming the wall type thing, but it was all pretty uneventful in the end.

I'm sure there would have been no shortage of pain killers for Kent if he really needed them.

Edited July 16, 2017 by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

[Tony Tea 2,809]

Without a camera on Kent full time it's impossible to make a solid call on the Demons' treatment.

[Tony Tea 2,809]

Best ask Martin Riggs.

[chook fowler 19,459]

One of the features of the Club these days has been the supportive environment and the development of close personal relationships among the playing group and the coaching staff. I trust the Club now and am sure Kent will have everyone around him. Isolated images can be misleading 

[poita 3,902]

It was poor form for Channel 7 to let that go to air. The guy was having a tough time, and I'm sure the last thing he wanted was for it to be screened on national television.

The clubs don't have to give them access to the rooms, they choose to do so. If 7 abuse the gesture, which they have already done several times this year, don't sook when your access gets revoked.

[Gator 17,361]

So now we have supporters second guessing our medical staff from thousands of kilometres away based on a television screen shot. 

Stupidity knows no bounds. 

[FireInTheBennelly 4,072]

When I opened the thread I was expecting to read how the Crows players actions should have led to a free kick.

This is the 2nd time we've copped this in 2017, last time Smith was out for how long? It's a blatant in the back infringement, yet neither was paid. How many soft ITBs get paid every game, yet these more dangerous ones go unnoticed.

For [censored]'s sake, do umpires have any brains at all?

[TGR 1,367]

5 hours ago, Farmer said:

Am I alone in expressing concern about the club's treatment of poor Dean Kent last night?About half an hour after his injury, we saw him in the changing room with his arm in a sling. Someone was nearby but didn't appear to be assisting or comforting him. I've had a couple of bad orthopaedic disasters. I could see that he was in great pain, which leads into uncontrollable shock, and this appeared to be his fate last night. He was very pale.

I was surprised that, with the pain he was in, he had not been transferred to hospital for the best possible pain management. Had the game been in Melbourne I believe this would have happened. Perhaps there was no-one to coordinate this until the match was over? If games in Darwin lead to sub standard care I am even more opposed to them.

Don't like how the broadcaster close-upped his face when he was virtually looking for morphine.

 

They don't show a harmless streaker, but they salivate over the prospect of a grown man crying in pain.

Edited July 16, 2017 by TGR

[buck_nekkid 5,866]

7 minutes ago, TGR said:

Don't like how the broadcaster close-upped his face when he was virtually looking for morphine.

 

They don't show a harmless streaker, but they salivate over the prospect of a grown man crying in pain.

What?  There was a streaker?  Now the thread is interesting!

[John Dee 445]

5 hours ago, deebug said:

That is very bad if that is the case, the club should have at least dealt with the pain; poor guy.

Wasn't about a year or two ago a saint's player broke his arm in NZ and i think he had to fly back to Melbourne with broken? 

Lie you Farmer i agree 100% and hope the club thinks about changing it's plans next year to play at our home ground, the mighty M.C.G.

Flying back with broken bones is quite common. My daughter once broke her foot in London and had to fly back to get it treated here rather than run the gauntlet of the public health system in the UK. The fact that we could get her treated here under our system was not the main issue, the real problem is that you are not allowed to travel on planes for some time after you have plaster attached.

Edited July 16, 2017 by John Dee
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[hardtack 10,537]

2 hours ago, bush demon said:

if you are drawing the bow you are pulling it a (long) way back. Perhaps if Glenn Archer is posting here he could clarify...

No, a long bow is that of the type used by the likes of Robin Hood etc... some people like to draw horses, others like to draw long bows.

[RalphiusMaximus 6,053]

It didn't look great, but remember that what we saw was a few seconds during which he was sitting alone.  We don't know what the circumstances were.  Maybe he has asked to be left alone for a while.  Maybe they'd given him a huge dose of painkillers and he was stoned off his head.  Maybe the doc had stepped out to grab him a blanket.  The reality is that we will probably never know what the situation was at that moment.  All we have to go on is an isolated bit of footage. 

[Skuit 10,031]

3 hours ago, Pates said:

I gotta say as someone that works in the sports TV industry it's one area I feel the most uncomfortable about. I hate injuries to anyone, I hate them being replayed time and time again, and I hate seeing the TV broadcasters highlight the anguish on the faces of players that have had particularly severe/career ending injuries. 

But it's also a reality of the world we live in, everyone wants to be "in the action" and given a front row seat to everything going on. I hate seeing it but someone who misses 10min of the coverage turns in and says "what's happened to Smithy?" And so they play it again for the benefit of the viewer. 

Must be horrible for family watching the games and seeing their son/brother/husband/friend etc injured and in pain. 

It's an interesting discussion point Pates. A huge factor in the attraction of sport is not just the athletic prowess but those endeavours in the context of unscripted human drama (the modern focus on off-field and incidental stuff excluded). The emotion conveyed by Kent in those few seconds was enough to shift my perspective of the game entirely, and for me, provide a healthy ego-check through empathy. If Kent gets up again, and were to say kick a huge goal in a grand final, it's these moments that provide the meaning and sport its value. 

[JTR 2,846]

8 hours ago, puntkick said:

I've just started reading this thread but I'll just say for starters your a [censored] !

Why?  It was a perfectly valid question.

He could have been in severe pain, or he could have been a bit upset having found out he may have another season ending injury.

Whats the problem?

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,786]

When I saw the title of the opening post, I wondered whether the topic was about his medical treatment or how the club has been treating him over the last few months with stints in the VFL and then a recent return to the seniors. Turns out it's both. 

I think this might be a new record. Two potential topics in one thread both being discussed on completely uninformed bases (is that the correct plural of basis?)

[jnrmac 20,090]

Serious amount of guessing circumstances and extrapolating opinion in this thread.

Best you all leave it alone and if something comes to light so be it.

[Grimes Times 1,278]

20 hours ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Had my shoulder dislocated playing suburban footy.  I was waiting hours in casualty at the local hospital.  When one of the nurses/doctors came to see me they were rude enough to tell me to "get a new sport"... didn't happen.

I must say, that people have different pain responses to this kind of injury.  Personally I've had more painful injuries than a dislocated shoulder.  When I did it, it was more of a constant nagging pain than something excruciating.  Just felt super tired like I'd been carying a tonne of bricks around pulling on my arm for hours on end.  The female doctor that put it back in simply lifted and rolled the sholder back, then without me even realising, it was back in.  I had been expecting the full Mel Gibson, Leathel Weapon shoulder slamming the wall type thing, but it was all pretty uneventful in the end.

I'm sure there would have been no shortage of pain killers for Kent if he really needed them.

I also popped mine playing local footy ( 2 shoulder reco's later) and it was the most painful thing ive ever encounted. Nurse told me she has dislocated hers and it was worse than child birth???. Waited in hospital morphined off my head to try dull the pain waiting to get it put back into place. Dr couldn't get it back in and eventually I had to be totaly knocked out so they could get it back into place (not sure if that was due to my dislocation or the doctors ability).

I now cringe and tense my shoulder every time i see a player dislocate their shoulder as i did with Kent on sat.

Edited July 17, 2017 by Grimes Times

[Older demon 2,741]

The club track record for caring for players has been impeccable and it is ridiculous to even contemplate that Kent was treated negligently.

His shoulder was back in place as he was in a sling and pain relief would have been administered when the injury was assessed and put back in place. We have no idea of when the Channel 7 footage was taken and I find it a bit intrusive. As stated earlier there was a staff member in attendance. It is more likely that due to the heat he stayed in the air con and that the only spot to watch the game was from the chair placed in front of the viewing area.

[Smokey 4,389]

Reading stuff like this is so infuriating. You've essentially just called out Melbourne's medical staff as being negligent based on a few seconds of TV coverage. Who are you exactly to make such a statement? Seems to me that people like you simply like the sound of their own voice.

[Deespicable 2,726]

23 minutes ago, yoSMOKIE said:

Reading stuff like this is so infuriating. You've essentially just called out Melbourne's medical staff as being negligent based on a few seconds of TV coverage. Who are you exactly to make such a statement? Seems to me that people like you simply like the sound of their own voice.

Thanks keyboard warrior!

Firstly Farmer is not a regular here so your last assessment of him is exactly what you are complaining about - who are you to make a statement about Farmer and he could be Jeffy in real life for all we know and your comment could be racist!

The thread is fine - I'm sure we all (other than the PCs among us) thought it was surprising to see Kent in a room by himself - but who knows, it could have been the cool room and Goody's punishment for missing a sitter early in the night! And as has been pointed out, only those around him would know why and how much medical attention he had received - which makes it all speculation, just as you have speculated that Melbourne's medical staff was not negligent.

My guess is that they were dealing with other players at the time, but it's only a guess - I wasn't there. And I may be drawing a long bow there or maybe I'm in need of taking a long bow to your wisdom or maybe I'm bow wowing about nothing.

[DeeWiz 296]

Sometimes it sucks being the new guy in an internet forum.

I thought we would be talking about how harshly armchair pundits have been treating Dean Kent over the past few weeks. The thread was really a conspiracy theory about how the club refused to take Dean to Darwin Hospital to receive medical attention.

WTF am I reading??

[Smokey 4,389]

26 minutes ago, Deespicable said:

Thanks keyboard warrior!

Firstly Farmer is not a regular here so your last assessment of him is exactly what you are complaining about - who are you to make a statement about Farmer and he could be Jeffy in real life for all we know and your comment could be racist!

The thread is fine - I'm sure we all (other than the PCs among us) thought it was surprising to see Kent in a room by himself - but who knows, it could have been the cool room and Goody's punishment for missing a sitter early in the night! And as has been pointed out, only those around him would know why and how much medical attention he had received - which makes it all speculation, just as you have speculated that Melbourne's medical staff was not negligent.

My guess is that they were dealing with other players at the time, but it's only a guess - I wasn't there. And I may be drawing a long bow there or maybe I'm in need of taking a long bow to your wisdom or maybe I'm bow wowing about nothing.

 

Grow up mate, me questioning a pointless post does not make me a "keyboard warrior". In fact if anyone's a keyboard warrior its the armchair physician Farmer, who's differential diagnosis of negligence by Medical staff was brilliantly formulated by seconds of dressing room footage of Kent looking sad. Are we sure Farmer isn't actually Dr Gregory House M.D?

 

Edited July 17, 2017 by Smokey

[Deespicable 2,726]

13 minutes ago, yoSMOKIE said:

 

Grow up mate, me questioning a pointless post does not make me a "keyboard warrior". In fact if anyone's a keyboard warrior its the armchair physician Farmer, who's differential diagnosis of negligence by Medical staff was brilliantly formulated by seconds of dressing room footage of Kent looking sad. Are we sure Farmer isn't actually Dr Gregory House M.D?

 

Mate, you are still not getting it - you are playing the man and not the ball.

There's nothing wrong with the guy that set up the thread - it takes courage and conviction to do so and he's entitled to his opinion and that is the essence of Demonland.

The fact that you and I are aware that there were probably heaps of other factors in it is irrelevant to his entitlement ... and yours.

But remember it's a forum and try and avoid bagging the author of the thread.

[beelzebub 23,377]

2 hours ago, jnrmac said:

Serious amount of guessing circumstances and extrapolating opinion in this thread.

Best you all leave it alone and if something comes to light so be it.

Commonly called...a bucket of bullshlt