Angus Brayshaw Concussion Issues

[hells bells 2,023]

8 hours ago, monoccular said:

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Nev Jetta have several significant concussions early in his career, and didn't he miss quite a bit of footy a few years back?  Well managed by the club  

If so, he has made a pretty decent recovery into some top form, so maybe all the doom and gloom here is premature at least. 

I recall this too.  I seem to remember similar discussions about Nev.  he's going pretty well now. 

Trust Angus and the Doc's.  He'll be back, I have little doubt.

[Bring-Back-Powell 15,244]

1 hour ago, hells bells said:

I recall this too.  I seem to remember similar discussions about Nev.  he's going pretty well now. 

Yep, Howe attempted a speccie against Richmond in 2015 and collected Nev in the process. The club rested him for 4 weeks.

They also rested Rohan Bail for a number of weeks, but well...err....he didn't quite kick on as well as Jetta has.

Edited May 18, 2017 by Bring-Back-Powell

[Demon Jack 7,140]

2 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Yep, Howe attempted a speccie against Richmond in 2015 and collected Nev in the process. The club rested him for 4 weeks.

They also rested Rohan Bail for a number of weeks, but well...err....he didn't quite kick on as well as Jetta has.ir

I completely forgot the concussion issues Bail had early on in his career. He may not have set the world on fire as a footballer but it was still impressive that he was able to play another 50+ games before he was delisted.

[McQueen 17,867]

Listened to an interview on ABC Perth yesterday regards a new device to measure the brains activity following a concussion which unfortunately they haven't put up on their website. However, here is an article from the SMH which is very similar in content.

The Concussionometer

Also, an article from last year about Justin Clarke (Brisbane Lions) retirement from the game. I found this to be an excellent read if you're wondering or need a reminder about just how damaging head knocks can be in sport.

Head knocks: How concussion hits athletes

[Gator 17,970]

It depends on the individual and their symptoms.

Clarke retired due to ongoing headaches and symptoms lasting many months.  Thankfully, the severity of his case appears to be a rarity. 

[Lucifers Hero 40,509]

Angus to take indefinite time off.  http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-05-23/luckless-demon-brayshaw-to-take-period-of-time-out

He will continue to have scans and tests.  Jones adds:  "He's just got to get back on the bike … practicing some of his techniques and build some confidence back again and just get out there and play". 

He is clearly and understandably worried about the risks of being hit again.  Hope he can get over that.

Good luck Gus.  We want you back so take your time.

[John Crow Batty 8,880]

Way to go. Something clearly has not been right for a long time. 

[beelzebub 23,390]

Good luck Angus...where ever your path takes you from here, whether it's the G or otherwise.

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,766]

Love ya Gussy take care.

[hemingway 7,633]

Ultimately his future will rest on medical advice and the risks associated with continuing. Is it worth it ? Probably not given that Gus is a young guy who is only starting his footy career. The physicality and intensity of the game is not going to get any easier so the chance of further concussion is high. Even if he goes on to have a successful footy career, it would be awful to read down the track that he has neurological deficits as a consequence of footy.  The recurrent nature of these incidents suggest that Gus's way of playing puts him at risk. We all know players whose attack on the ball exposes them to more risk of injury than others.  Some players seem to have more spatial awareness than others.  Just like players whose marking leap makes them more at risk of knee injury. In any event, if it was my son my view would be clear. Although with either son, the response would be predictably dismissive. 

[La Dee-vina Comedia 17,013]

26 minutes ago, hemingway said:

Ultimately his future will rest on medical advice and the risks associated with continuing. Is it worth it ? Probably not given that Gus is a young guy who is only starting his footy career. The physicality and intensity of the game is not going to get any easier so the chance of further concussion is high. Even if he goes on to have a successful footy career, it would be awful to read down the track that he has neurological deficits as a consequence of footy.  The recurrent nature of these incidents suggest that Gus's way of playing puts him at risk. We all know players whose attack on the ball exposes them to more risk of injury than others.  Some players seem to have more spatial awareness than others.  Just like players whose marking leap makes them more at risk of knee injury. In any event, if it was my son my view would be clear. Although with either son, the response would be predictably dismissive. 

Could it also be his anatomical or physiological self that makes him more susceptible? Just like some players are more susceptible to knee injuries (think Daniel Menzel and David Schwarz).

[hemingway 7,633]

52 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Could it also be his anatomical or physiological self that makes him more susceptible? Just like some players are more susceptible to knee injuries (think Daniel Menzel and David Schwarz).

good question. 

[DubDee 26,302]

Poor auld Gus.  Rest up and hopefully we will see you back soon

the ups and downs for these young guys... at the end of year 1 Gus was top of the world and Trac was in injury hell and hadn't debuted yet

[deebug 1,754]

I think it was last week on triple m James Brayshaw said that Gus had all the medical test such as fmri and more and all came back clear so that is good news.

Now Gus remember don't step on any cracks in the footpath and when you spill the salt throw a little bit over your left shoulder or is your right?

[Chook 15,023]

I don’t want to make this thread about anything other than Angus; but given how important early concussion detection and treatment is to life after professional sports, should the AFL look at some sort of a compensation draft pick for any club that loses a young player to concussion issues?

There should be no pressure on a concussion-affected player to continue putting themselves at risk, and there should be no incentive for any club to do anything to keep that player playing. A draft pick should ameliorate that awful situation and allow both club and player to move on without any negative repurcussions to either party.

[daisycutter 29,892]

4 minutes ago, Chook said:

I don’t want to make this thread about anything other than Angus; but given how important early concussion detection and treatment is to life after professional sports, should the AFL look at some sort of a compensation draft pick for any club that loses a young player to concussion issues?

There should be no pressure on a concussion-affected player to continue putting themselves at risk, and there should be no incentive for any club to do anything to keep that player playing. A draft pick should ameliorate that awful situation and allow both club and player to move on without any negative repurcussions to either party.

there are a lot of other inuries that force people out of the game. sp you just can't single one injury type fpr special compensation

[Chook 15,023]

Just now, daisycutter said:

there are a lot of other inuries that force people out of the game. sp you just can't single one injury type fpr special compensation

The difference with concussion is that it often doesn’t limit a player’s ability to play now, but will affect their quality of life in a very significant way in the future. You may say that of a degenerative knee condition, but a degenerative knee condition doesn’t leave you forgetting things at age 40. Players need to be able to pull the plug immediately when concussion becomes an issue for them, and clubs should be incentivised to make that happen without damaging their own future.

[Lord Travis 10,793]

Not surprised he is going to have time off again. Hopefully he can stay fit and healthy and return to the MFC to have a successful career. If there is any serious long term danger to his health it is better he walks away from the game, as sad as that would be for someone so young that we have invested so much in. Health always comes first.

Good luck Gus!

[Willmoy1947 4,198]

5 minutes ago, Chook said:

The difference with concussion is that it often doesn’t limit a player’s ability to play now, but will affect their quality of life in a very significant way in the future. You may say that of a degenerative knee condition, but a degenerative knee condition doesn’t leave you forgetting things at age 40. Players need to be able to pull the plug immediately when concussion becomes an issue for them, and clubs should be incentivised to make that happen without damaging their own future.

I agree with this post, and add that there does appear to be an anomaly,in regard to public awareness, at times, when we add in the after support and recuperation attention that occurs sometimes when there are  psychological/pharmaceutical issues involved, as in non AFL related contact sports. 

[daisycutter 29,892]

1 hour ago, Chook said:

The difference with concussion is that it often doesn’t limit a player’s ability to play now, but will affect their quality of life in a very significant way in the future. You may say that of a degenerative knee condition, but a degenerative knee condition doesn’t leave you forgetting things at age 40. Players need to be able to pull the plug immediately when concussion becomes an issue for them, and clubs should be incentivised to make that happen without damaging their own future.

can't see it flying. the argument is too flimsy, but full points for creativity

heck, we couldn't even upgrade a  rookie  to replace an already retired lamumba because of concussion, just because his contract hadn't run full term\

nor could we get a temporary replacement for melksham whilst bummers could for their suspended players (same for port (2) and bulldogs)

Edited May 23, 2017 by daisycutter

[ding 5,126]

2 hours ago, Chook said:

I don’t want to make this thread about anything other than Angus; but given how important early concussion detection and treatment is to life after professional sports, should the AFL look at some sort of a compensation draft pick for any club that loses a young player to concussion issues?

There should be no pressure on a concussion-affected player to continue putting themselves at risk, and there should be no incentive for any club to do anything to keep that player playing. A draft pick should ameliorate that awful situation and allow both club and player to move on without any negative repurcussions to either party.

Rookie pick if they are outed long term for concussion issues during first contract. Rookie pick goes the moment they play first game in seniors or 2's Gives a chance to see how they go in development league.

Edited May 23, 2017 by ding

[Sir Why You Little 37,302]

Good decision. Brain injury is to risky and permanent...

[Moonshadow 17,678]

6 hours ago, deebug said:

I think it was last week on triple m James Brayshaw said that Gus had all the medical test such as fmri and more and all came back clear so that is good news.

Now Gus remember don't step on any cracks in the footpath and when you spill the salt throw a little bit over your left shoulder or is your right?

These suggestions are as scientific and medically sound as much of the advice and assumptions in this thread deebug 

[ShaneJ 88]

Brendan McCartney was acting as if it was no big deal for Brayshaw in the New Members Function before the (north) game. Said he was just unlucky. Certain to play again this year. Not even the slightest doubt at all.

[Phadraig 760]

7 hours ago, Chook said:

should the AFL look at some sort of a compensation draft pick for any club that loses a young player to concussion issues?

I don't think the club is somehow owed something from an injury to a player, should Fremantle get an extra pick for Morabito doing his knee 4 times?