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18 hours ago, A F said:

Jackson provides that little bit of brilliance as second ruck that will probably see him keep his place no matter what this season.

I've loved everything I've seen from this guy thus far - I don't understand the criticism on this page.

He's a 19 year old ruckman/midfielder/forward that contributes something positive every week while providing the flexibility we need to be able to try something different if we need to.

He is so much further along than I expected him to be when he was drafted.

 

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I'd just like to endorse all the other posters in their praise for Goodwin outcoaching Ratten.

Honestly we arrested some serious momentum and changed the game. I can’t remember when we last did that and went on to win. We have some talent on the list. If we manage it well we are going plac

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52 minutes ago, Cheesy D. Pun said:

I've loved everything I've seen from this guy thus far - I don't understand the criticism on this page.

He's a 19 year old ruckman/midfielder/forward that contributes something positive every week while providing the flexibility we need to be able to try something different if we need to.

He is so much further along than I expected him to be when he was drafted.

Agree with all of that, but for the moment he's often getting pushed off the ball in marking contests. He's OK marking around the ground, but not really working as a KPF, especially against decent defenders. For mine, he's a second ruck/onballer, and I'd be surprised to see him doing much down forward once Weids/Brown come in.

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No wonder each Footy Club is told to treat the Press Rabble as just that.

They are often hellbent on turning participants against participants, and are not worth a crumpet when it comes to factual resumes

like the Sporting Globe used to make so interesting.

Some if not many use gimmickry and other earthy non cogitative drivel to amuse themselves. It could not be the audience, for God's sakes....

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3 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Agree with all of that, but for the moment he's often getting pushed off the ball in marking contests. He's OK marking around the ground, but not really working as a KPF, especially against decent defenders. For mine, he's a second ruck/onballer, and I'd be surprised to see him doing much down forward once Weids/Brown come in.

To be perfectly frank Bing, footballers aren't getting any smaller, just saying.

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10 hours ago, dice said:

Isn't Hannebery a 3 time all Australian?

5 years ago. He's 30 now. Someone of his age should be in his prime, but he's clearly not the player he was. He's faded. 

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Can I just say I enjoy seeing Goodwin coaching from the sidelines? The hands on approach seems to be successful.

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21 hours ago, A F said:

ANB taking better options IMO. There was a distinct moment in the game last night where he wove through the traffic off half back, looked wide, it wasn't on, carried the ball and then made the straighter kick and we scored. It was a very notable moment, because it's the sort of moment he's historically struggled with as you imply.

Jackson is doing what Weideman was doing in his first season - he's basically leading himself under the ball, making it far too easy for his opponent. Weideman has fixed it, so in time, with the right coaching, Jackson will too.

I'm not sure he has AF.  Appears to have improved to some degree in terms of leading patterns/timing and taking a mark out in front when it's delivered nicely.  Not sure he has fixed this side when the ball isn't delivered on the lead and it's coming in from a fair height vs a nice lace out or similar.

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23 hours ago, BigFez said:

I have watched Pickett's goal about 20 times and I still can't work out how he just appears out of the pack.  Unreal.

Haha same here. Keep replaying it but just can’t see it. It was unbelievable!

The only place I have seen a move like that was in the Matrix 

 

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8 hours ago, bing181 said:

Agree with all of that, but for the moment he's often getting pushed off the ball in marking contests. He's OK marking around the ground, but not really working as a KPF, especially against decent defenders. For mine, he's a second ruck/onballer, and I'd be surprised to see him doing much down forward once Weids/Brown come in.

Dunno about some of this assessment as it is still very early days onfield for Jackson. He does get 'defended' effectively by opposition backmen, and jolted out of the way. I do feel he is a good ruckman, however, at open-space tapping opportunities; further, with the return of Weed and Brown (x 2, perhaps) I'd think that their presence would be totally complementary to Jackson's run, carry, interceptions and focussed opposition attention that may reek havoc in the forward line in which his potency as a forward will considerably increase. His feeds in close and follow-ups are already notable and efficient. We are: potent in the backline and on the return of KPFs, we are going to be absolutely ripper in the forward line as well - and have one of the best midfields in the competition that already severely worry most teams. Exciting ...

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9 hours ago, Pulp Fritschon said:

Haha same here. Keep replaying it but just can’t see it. It was unbelievable!

The only place I have seen a move like that was in the Matrix 

 

I had the red and blue pills a long time ago.

I think my mistake was having both, as I thought they were supposed to make me see things as they were.

But I start every season seeing a flag.

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21 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I think that was our best win since 2018 when you factor in the opposition and playing them at the venue they clearly play their best footy. Maybe you could argue the Collingwood win last year at the Gabba was our most complete performance since 2018 but this one was more satisfying.

With regards to our inaccuracy, I’d rather win a 3 goal margin by having 13 more scoring shots than winning with having 5 less shots because we had to rely on the opposition’s inaccuracy. Disappointing to miss so many but at the same time it was good signs and reflected our dominance for much of the game.

Totally agree. When the Saints started stringing a few goals together I started worrying, but we held them off multiple times and stopped the run of play. Feels pretty significant. A mature win.

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7 hours ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Dunno about some of this assessment as it is still very early days onfield for Jackson. He does get 'defended' effectively by opposition backmen, and jolted out of the way. I do feel he is a good ruckman, however, at open-space tapping opportunities; further, with the return of Weed and Brown (x 2, perhaps) I'd think that their presence would be totally complementary to Jackson's run, carry, interceptions and focussed opposition attention that may reek havoc in the forward line in which his potency as a forward will considerably increase. His feeds in close and follow-ups are already notable and efficient. We are: potent in the backline and on the return of KPFs, we are going to be absolutely ripper in the forward line as well - and have one of the best midfields in the competition that already severely worry most teams. Exciting ...

It will be really interesting to see what happens when everyone is available.

I hope there's not too much experimentation with our balance. We know two talls works and other combinations have failed previously.

We have to be ready for the possibility that at least one of LJ, Weed, Brown or TMac could play all or the majority of their footy at Casey.

Trying to appease them all is recipe for disaster, IMO.

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21 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

 

The Spargo/ANB pressure acts stat is great.

But the other stat I took notice of in that article was the 100% TOG stat: Langdon, May and Tomlinson all played 100% of the game.

Langdon, a winger, playing 100% of the game. That's insane. I'd love to know if any other mids/wingers are clocking 100% game time in 2021.

Having players like them (and Lever I think did it in Round 1) who can stay out on the field all day without compromising their own performance, freeing up the limited rotations to use on those who need it, must surely be some sort of advantage for us (however small).

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29 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

The Spargo/ANB pressure acts stat is great.

But the other stat I took notice of in that article was the 100% TOG stat: Langdon, May and Tomlinson all played 100% of the game.

Langdon, a winger, playing 100% of the game. That's insane. I'd love to know if any other mids/wingers are clocking 100% game time in 2021.

Having players like them (and Lever I think did it in Round 1) who can stay out on the field all day without compromising their own performance, freeing up the limited rotations to use on those who need it, must surely be some sort of advantage for us (however small).

Lever only came off for a short period in the last quarter when he hurt his foot. He would have played 100% otherwise. 

 

The other one with high game time the last two weeks is Gawn at over 90%. While the new rules have reduced the number of stoppages and long kicks to packs, they benefit him in terms of favouring his endurance.

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Can someone clarify why we were using tmac as the ruck in the fwd line last week over Jackson when gawn hung back, Jackson is clearly the better option in the ruck, don’t think I saw one of tmacs taps goto advantage quite the opposite 

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3 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

The Spargo/ANB pressure acts stat is great.

But the other stat I took notice of in that article was the 100% TOG stat: Langdon, May and Tomlinson all played 100% of the game.

Langdon, a winger, playing 100% of the game. That's insane. I'd love to know if any other mids/wingers are clocking 100% game time in 2021.

Having players like them (and Lever I think did it in Round 1) who can stay out on the field all day without compromising their own performance, freeing up the limited rotations to use on those who need it, must surely be some sort of advantage for us (however small).

They were talking about this on SEN yesterday t_u.  The ‘Stamina Men.’ 

In round 1 four players (didn’t catch the names) across all games played 100%, in round 2 that number increased to 7 and as you stated 3 were ours. It will be interesting to see if the number keeps increasing league wide. 

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3 hours ago, Garbo said:

Can someone clarify why we were using tmac as the ruck in the fwd line last week over Jackson when gawn hung back, Jackson is clearly the better option in the ruck, don’t think I saw one of tmacs taps goto advantage quite the opposite 

I reckon because once the ball hits the ground tmac is a liability, whereas Jackson is crazy good for a big fella in terms of ground ball gets.

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4 hours ago, Cheesy D. Pun said:

It will be really interesting to see what happens when everyone is available.

I hope there's not too much experimentation with our balance. We know two talls works and other combinations have failed previously.

We have to be ready for the possibility that at least one of LJ, Weed, Brown or TMac could play all or the majority of their footy at Casey.

Trying to appease them all is recipe for disaster, IMO.

We’ll get injuries that need covering during the season. I’m betting Petty will be banging the door down soon enough as well. We’re very well positioned for a serious tilt at the flag, it’s no wonder we’re favourites 

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21 hours ago, bing181 said:

Agree with all of that, but for the moment he's often getting pushed off the ball in marking contests. He's OK marking around the ground, but not really working as a KPF, especially against decent defenders. For mine, he's a second ruck/onballer, and I'd be surprised to see him doing much down forward once Weids/Brown come in.

I think that sums it up for me, if we were judging him purely as a forward then you would have him out. I'm judging him as a 2nd ruck/forward/utility and for me he is just doing enough, every game into him assists his development so for that reason I think the bar is also set lower. That said as you've pointed out bing once we have a full compliment of Weid/Brown/TMac the headache will come on how we use them all the to the best of their ability. Jackson will certainly move out of being a forward and probably go to being more of a utility/onballer/2nd ruck.

We also shouldn't be afraid to drop him, send him to Casey for stints as their number one ruckman so that he can get a taste of what it's like to ruck all day for multiple weeks.

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43 minutes ago, Pates said:

I'm judging him as a 2nd ruck/forward/utility and for me he is just doing enough, every game into him assists his development so for that reason I think the bar is also set lower

Yep. He's not really playing as a key forward at all.

We shouldn't underestimate what that kind of flexibility provides to the team. He's playing very large portions in the ruck and holding his own.

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6 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

The Spargo/ANB pressure acts stat is great.

But the other stat I took notice of in that article was the 100% TOG stat: Langdon, May and Tomlinson all played 100% of the game.

Langdon, a winger, playing 100% of the game. That's insane. I'd love to know if any other mids/wingers are clocking 100% game time in 2021.

Having players like them (and Lever I think did it in Round 1) who can stay out on the field all day without compromising their own performance, freeing up the limited rotations to use on those who need it, must surely be some sort of advantage for us (however small).

I loved the quote from Goodwin's presser that Langdon had no idea that Goody coached from the bench because he'd never been there.

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10 hours ago, Cheesy D. Pun said:

I loved the quote from Goodwin's presser that Langdon had no idea that Goody coached from the bench because he'd never been there.

Ohhhhhh, so Goodwin is funny.

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On 3/28/2021 at 10:05 PM, BigFez said:

I have watched Pickett's goal about 20 times and I still can't work out how he just appears out of the pack.  Unreal.

He goes behind the "cloak of invisibility"

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