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10 hours ago, Dr.D said:

are we at a point now that we can concede that Dr. was correct saying that Jackson isn't a natural forward? He's now kicked 3 goals in 8 games playing solely fwd with brief stints in the ruck. 

Not a fan of you trying to point score Dr D. And how can anyone say definitively after only 8 games whether he is or isn't a forward?

But for the record, I don't think we have seen him played in what might be his ultimate position. It might take a couple of years but I think he will end up being a better version of Darcy Moore at CHB.

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I'd just like to endorse all the other posters in their praise for Goodwin outcoaching Ratten.

Honestly we arrested some serious momentum and changed the game. I can’t remember when we last did that and went on to win. We have some talent on the list. If we manage it well we are going plac

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32 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

TMac is a great runner, sure, but not a fast or agile paceman as required on a wing. Prefer Tomlinson on the 'outer' side who is demonstrating a few more attributes than most, using space to complement speed = ball delivery

We won’t move Tomlinson, he’s too smart as a backman

Maybe they’ll just persist with Brayshaw on the wing

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I think that was our best win since 2018 when you factor in the opposition and playing them at the venue they clearly play their best footy. Maybe you could argue the Collingwood win last year at the Gabba was our most complete performance since 2018 but this one was more satisfying.

With regards to our inaccuracy, I’d rather win a 3 goal margin by having 13 more scoring shots than winning with having 5 less shots because we had to rely on the opposition’s inaccuracy. Disappointing to miss so many but at the same time it was good signs and reflected our dominance for much of the game.

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15 hours ago, old dee said:

As I said did not see the game. Luke Jackson’s stats look ordinary. Have not seen any comment about him. How was his game.

When he went into the ruck in the second quarter it totally turned the game in our favour.

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53 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

Not a fan of you trying to point score Dr D. And how can anyone say definitively after only 8 games whether he is or isn't a forward?

But for the record, I don't think we have seen him played in what might be his ultimate position. It might take a couple of years but I think he will end up being a better version of Darcy Moore at CHB.

I'd prefer that when this happens we describe Darcy Moore as being a poorer version of Luke Jackson. Luke Jackson is his own man and doesn't live into the shadows of others lesser than he.

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1 hour ago, titan_uranus said:

I think our forward line efficiency this year is showing us a few things. The first is that the names on paper are actually reaching more than the sum of their parts: TMac is closer to 2018 than 2020 TMac, Spargo/Pickett/ANB are working together really well and each one has started 2021 better than 2020, and Fritsch is improving in most respects other than set shots.

The other thing it's showing me is that we are improving our overall system and ball movement. We're still not nailing all our passes inside 50 but we're trying to get the ball in the right players' hands (e.g. more kicks from Spargo, fewer from, say, Gawn) and we're generating better scoring chains because we're set up better right across the ground. The more we intercept our opponents across half back through May, Lever and Tomlinson, the more we can generate meaningful scoring chains the way we want to and planned to.

Agree re: Salem and Hunt. ANB certainly has the aerobic capacity to play the wing, but he's currently doing really well in his forward role. He, Spargo and Pickett are working together in the forward line really well.

To be fair, I think Brayshaw is probably doing better on that wing from a defensive perspective than we give him credit for. We don't see a lot of drive through the non-Langdon wing but that may well be exactly what we want.

Anyway, maybe the example I gave of the wing isn't the best example, but just as I won't throw the baby out with the bathwater when we eventually lose a game and look bad in the process, I don't think it's fair after two wins to call our previously iffy coaching "phenomenal".

Great response to my post and I think my, probably over zealous, excitement comes from the fact that both games felt like they were won in the coaches box, which hasn't really happened for a long while.

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1 hour ago, Roost it far said:

We won’t move Tomlinson, he’s too smart as a backman

Maybe they’ll just persist with Brayshaw on the wing

It is just a personal opinion, established after watching T'son working on the wing for a while, now. It is a big corridor to goal for forwards to lead into as a trident of opportunity. 

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3 hours ago, Neil Crompton said:

Not a fan of you trying to point score Dr D. And how can anyone say definitively after only 8 games whether he is or isn't a forward?

But for the record, I don't think we have seen him played in what might be his ultimate position. It might take a couple of years but I think he will end up being a better version of Darcy Moore at CHB.

I agree with what you're saying entirely. But the only reason I'm saying it is because people are saying 'definitively after only 8 games' that he is a star. And I have to bring the hype down because I'm tired of overhyping players because we have a long history of first rounders turning into busts.

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2 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

I agree with what you're saying entirely. But the only reason I'm saying it is because people are saying 'definitively after only 8 games' that he is a star. And I have to bring the hype down because I'm tired of overhyping players because we have a long history of first rounders turning into busts.

LJ on pure talent has genuine superstar potential. A few of his marks against Freo in particular were extremely impressive. He is raw atm though, and needs a further year of development before we truly start judging him I think. I am hopeful we see some continual progression, with expectations of a big 2022 and beyond.

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9 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

 

I now trust ANB when he has the ball, something I couldn’t say until now.

He’s been excellent and Spargo contributes in a way that I never thought he would.

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1 minute ago, Clint Bizkit said:

I now trust ANB when he has the ball, something I couldn’t say until now.

He’s been excellent and Spargo contributes in a way that I never thought he would.

Both players are moving fast out of the bottom 6

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On 3/28/2021 at 12:07 PM, Win4theAges said:

Biggest thing I've taken away from last week and last night has been our tackling pressure inside forward 50, we racked up 15 last week and last night we notched up 12.

A great point W4TA - if you look at the pressure acts inside F50, watch how many repeat efforts Spargo and Kossie make. They harass the first guy, who gets rid, they then harass that guy and so on. It leads to hurried kicks out of defence, which are then gobbled up by a Gawn/Lever/May, ready to rebound again.

I still believe we have even more room for improvement, but the pressure all round is so much better than last year.

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That’s awesome work by Spargo and ANB, this stuff is infectious. The hard work is evident early this season.

When the Saints had their little patch in the second quarter I saw a lot of finger pointing at the ground from our boys, instantaneously I thought here comes the blame game between them, but i since read on here it was all about working out how to restructure. Really pleasing to see some maturity creep in.

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28 minutes ago, Dee Zephyr said:

That’s awesome work by Spargo and ANB, this stuff is infectious. The hard work is evident early this season.

When the Saints had their little patch in the second quarter I saw a lot of finger pointing at the ground from our boys, instantaneously I thought here comes the blame game between them, but i since read on here it was all about working out how to restructure. Really pleasing to see some maturity creep in.

I am hoping that some of this, if not all is driven by the knowledge that we now seem to have some depth and players very capable waiting on the sidelines and hungry to get a game

Lose your spot now and it could take a considerable amount of time to win it back   

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1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

 

That’s what the best teams have, bottom six players doing team-lifting, important acts. I’m not saying we’re there yet but this is what we did well in 2018 as well. 

Well done to both who I would say quite a few on D-Land would’ve been comfortable about them being out the door at the end of last year. 

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1 hour ago, 3183 Dee said:

then harass that guy and so on. It leads to hurried kicks out of defence, which are then gobbled up by a Gawn/Lever/May, ready to rebound again.

Good footy, finally. Heart-warming when executed by the Red'nBlue!

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16 hours ago, Dr.D said:

are we at a point now that we can concede that Dr. was correct saying that Jackson isn't a natural forward? He's now kicked 3 goals in 8 games playing solely fwd with brief stints in the ruck. 

(For the record, Logan Mcdonald has kicked 5 in 2 games)

Josh Kennedy kick 11 from his first 21 games. 

Way too early to make calls on a talented 19 year old. 

Give him time. 

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Coaches votes:

9 Christian Salem (MELB)
9 Clayton Oliver (MELB)
5 Max Gawn (MELB)
3 Kysaiah Pickett (MELB)
2 Christian Petracca (MELB)
1Jack Steele (STK)
1 Adam Tomlinson (MELB)
 
Split:
4/5 for Salem and Oliver
2/3 for Gawn
3 for Kozzie
2 Petracca
1  Steele
1  Tomlinson
Coaches saw the Salem, Oliver and Gawn performances similarly. 
The other 4 were quite diverse.
Good to see Salem get recognition for a great game.  Not easy to get votes as a defender.

LEADERBOARD

19 Dustin Martin RICH
18 Taylor Walker ADEL
16 Darcy Moore COLL
16 Clayton Oliver MELB
12 Dan Houston PORT

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38 minutes ago, Brenno said:

Josh Kennedy kick 11 from his first 21 games. 

Way too early to make calls on a talented 19 year old. 

Give him time. 

Logan MAC is not to my knowledge a ruckman. You are comparing an Orange with a cumquat !!!

What matters is that LJ contributes to the team rucking, up forward in team play,  and around the ground as he did on Sat with 4 marks.

He is learning on the job and had his season shortened by half last year so needs more games in an important ruck role.

He will pay us off in spades in due course up forward as well but he must improve his kicking also.

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3 hours ago, 3183 Dee said:

A great point W4TA - if you look at the pressure acts inside F50, watch how many repeat efforts Spargo and Kossie make. They harass the first guy, who gets rid, they then harass that guy and so on. It leads to hurried kicks out of defence, which are then gobbled up by a Gawn/Lever/May, ready to rebound again.

I still believe we have even more room for improvement, but the pressure all round is so much better than last year.

That's the thing that was most pleasing, the effort which showed in the repeat pressure acta and the willingness to run to set up our defensive structures and assist with the quick ball movement. You can lose because of lack of execution but you should never lose because of lack of endeavour.

Hopefully this mob will start to see that if they put in the effort game in game out the results will follow.

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1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Coaches votes:

9 Christian Salem (MELB)
9 Clayton Oliver (MELB)
5 Max Gawn (MELB)
3 Kysaiah Pickett (MELB)
2 Christian Petracca (MELB)
1Jack Steele (STK)
1 Adam Tomlinson (MELB)
 
Split:
4/5 for Salem and Oliver
2/3 for Gawn
3 for Kozzie
2 Petracca
1  Steele
1  Tomlinson
Coaches saw the Salem, Oliver and Gawn performances similarly. 
The other 4 were quite diverse.
Good to see Salem get recognition for a great game.  Not easy to get votes as a defender.

LEADERBOARD

19 Dustin Martin RICH
18 Taylor Walker ADEL
16 Darcy Moore COLL
16 Clayton Oliver MELB
12 Dan Houston PORT

That was Salems most complete game by far. Would be brilliant if he can put together a consistent season at that level, would go close to B&F.

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8 hours ago, Deemania since 56 said:

TMac is a great runner, sure, but not a fast or agile paceman as required on a wing. Prefer Tomlinson on the 'outer' side who is demonstrating a few more attributes than most, using space to complement speed = ball delivery

Seeing Tmac get run around twice while manning the mark on the weekend, I just can’t see him being able to anything but a liability defensively on a wing. His role at the minute seems to really suit him and his slimmed down frame. Adding one of Ben Brown or Weid will make for a really interesting experiment on how we could set up in the fwd half.

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