TEAMS: Rd 05 vs Richmond

[Engorged Onion 9,278]

9 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

“We came to the conclusion that having a fresh start and playing in front of friends and family was probably a bit more important at this stage of my career. Obviously I do want to play in finals and play in flags but at this stage it was more important for me to get back, be around my family and friends and to have a fresh start."

Jesse Hogan says making a move to Fremantle had been on his mind throughout the 2018 season

 

"spicy"

[Mental Demons 136]

52 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

“We came to the conclusion that having a fresh start and playing in front of friends and family was probably a bit more important at this stage of my career. Obviously I do want to play in finals and play in flags but at this stage it was more important for me to get back, be around my family and friends and to have a fresh start."

I had not seen this and don't mind admitting that I may be wrong. However it is contrary from the internals I heard around the the club at the time. I do believe that Hogan was happy to see out his contract and as a professional see what his options were. I don't read the H-S because I don't think it is a reliable news source, and there is an element of placating press release about it. It does not sound like other interviews I have heard from Hogan. I did hear that he was unhappy about the trade and was making the best of it. The point is we lost an important player and got nothing to replace him with. 

Edited July 3, 2020 by Mental Demons

[binman 38,134]

9 hours ago, Axis of Bob said:

So Geelong's slow ball movement was specifically a tactic to stop our forwards attacking when we got the ball?

No, their slow ball movement was primarily a tactic to ensure the game was not played fast as clearly with our selections and their lack of leg speed a fast game would have been to our advantage.

They had 60 more non contested marks than us. That has to be close to some sort of record. And 54 more uncontested possessions. The game was played on their terms and in a way that negated our relative strengths

As you point out they only scored 7 goals. I thought the defence played pretty well but i wouldn't be too quick to pump up their tyres as the Cat's game style also meant they only had 38 inside 50s (we had 46). And with 12 scoring shots they scored with close to every third entry and with 9 marks marked it every four times they came inside 50.

[deanox 8,623]

4 hours ago, Fat Tony said:

Interesting graphic, but Lever gets well looked after in his matchups. 

Schrodingers defender, hey?

Continually loses one on one's, but gets well looked after in his match ups.

Which is it?

[Lucifers Hero 37,072]

I think we will win. Not because we are good but because Richmond are worse.  This is the Richmond of 2016 not the Richmond of 2017-2019.

Some key people who helped turn the ship around in 2017 are gone: 

• Rutten defensive coach left end 2018
• Rance left end 2018
• Caracella who was credited with ball movement strategy left end 2019
• Gale and more importantly Balme is not in their authorised 'bubble', so no face to face contact

And captain and co-captain seem more distracted by the idea of an interstate hub than galvanising their team to deal with whatever happens.  Perhaps they are so used to the comforts of home both domestic and playing 16-17 games a year on the MCG not having those has them nervous.

So Hardwick is more or less the lone ranger in terms of leadership but he struggled before Balme arrived. 

They may rally tomorrow because they think we will be easy beats.  But I think they are the easy beats right now.  If we can't beat the Richmond of 2016 then I'll be very concerned

[Hogans Demons 41]

On 7/2/2020 at 7:16 PM, old dee said:

It's hard to disagree with them. Perhaps we are trying to keep his price down for 2021.

They are flogs. Seem like Hawthorn supporters.

[jumbo returns 6,488]

1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I think we will win. Not because we are good but because Richmond are worse.  This is the Richmond of 2016 not the Richmond of 2017-2019.

Some key people who helped turn the ship around in 2017 are gone: 

• Rutten defensive coach left end 2018
• Rance left end 2018
• Caracella who was credited with ball movement strategy left end 2019
• Gale and more importantly Balme is not in their authorised 'bubble', so no face to face contact

And captain and co-captain seem more distracted by the idea of an interstate hub than galvanising their team to deal with whatever happens.  Perhaps they are so used to the comforts of home both domestic and playing 16-17 games a year on the MCG not having those has them nervous.

So Hardwick is more or less the lone ranger in terms of leadership but he struggled before Balme arrived. 

They may rally tomorrow because they think we will be easy beats.  But I think they are the easy beats right now.  If we can't beat the Richmond of 2016 then I'll be very concerned

I'm afraid you'll have something else to worry about, LH, in this ****ty year

I hope I'm wrong

[old dee 22,854]

49 minutes ago, jumbo returns said:

I'm afraid you'll have something else to worry about, LH, in this ****ty year

I hope I'm wrong

Sadly I will have to agree with you jr.

[Half forward flank 1,022]

2 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I think we will win. Not because we are good but because Richmond are worse.  This is the Richmond of 2016 not the Richmond of 2017-2019.

Some key people who helped turn the ship around in 2017 are gone: 

• Rutten defensive coach left end 2018
• Rance left end 2018
• Caracella who was credited with ball movement strategy left end 2019
• Gale and more importantly Balme is not in their authorised 'bubble', so no face to face contact

And captain and co-captain seem more distracted by the idea of an interstate hub than galvanising their team to deal with whatever happens.  Perhaps they are so used to the comforts of home both domestic and playing 16-17 games a year on the MCG not having those has them nervous.

So Hardwick is more or less the lone ranger in terms of leadership but he struggled before Balme arrived. 

They may rally tomorrow because they think we will be easy beats.  But I think they are the easy beats right now.  If we can't beat the Richmond of 2016 then I'll be very concerned

Interesting breakdown of their departures and a highlight of a talented bunch of support staff. Balme is a crutial  part of their operation as well.  lets not forget to, "beware of an injured tiger'. What you highlight is as far as tomorrow goes it is

MCG   Goodwin v Hardwich

             Our 22 v Tigers 22

            I expect a close one....

[Lucifers Hero 37,072]

1 hour ago, jumbo returns said:

I'm afraid you'll have something else to worry about, LH, in this ****ty year

I hope I'm wrong

You refer to which distressing possibility:

1. covid-19 gets out of control in Victoria and shut down the country again?
2. War in the South China Sea
3. The Great Depression re-visted
4. Ess wins the GF
5. All the above

Edited July 4, 2020 by Lucifer's Hero

[In Harmes Way 7,498]

15 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

With all my frustration of this weeks team selections, and last weeks game.

I've tipped us by 3 goals.

Dazzle, the intra club game was 2 weeks ago

[jumbo returns 6,488]

1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

You refer to which distressing possibility:

1. covid-19 gets out of control in Victoria and shut down the country again?
2. War in the South China Sea
3. The Great Depression re-visted
4. Ess wins the GF
5. All the above

5

[jnrmac 18,979]

20 hours ago, chook fowler said:

I’m sorry but I think AVB and Hunt did SFA against Geelng.

I'm not disputing that and I didn't say that.

I was talking about Harley.

Good day.

[Lil_red_fire_engine 10,185]

18 hours ago, Hogan2014 said:

Let’s hope we don’t treat our former captain like we treated Green & Macca ...  

If we did he would have not been on the list this year. 

[jnrmac 18,979]

18 hours ago, Mental Demons said:

This whole year is about the advertising and AFL economy. The hope is that next year wont be a compromised season. I don't mind what happens this year as long as it is good for the future and there is good team and player development. Who knows, it might just be good practice for a compromised season next year. The shortened games seem to favour smaller quicker teams and our team is trying to adjust. I don't think Goodwin will take this team to finals again anyway. TMac is our only proven key position player and he seems to be taking his time adjusting to the new game but he has been improving. Most of our spine is guys playing out of position, this is a bigger block to success.

There's a flag to be someone will win it.

We should be trying to win it but we seem a hell of a long way off.

[Demon Dynasty 15,471]

On 7/3/2020 at 9:30 AM, DemonOX said:

Watch Richmond play keepings off like the cats did against us and achieve the same result, another loss. 

Then In Goodwins pressor He will repeat the same diarrhoea he did last week. 
 

It’s ground hog week and season as per usual. U can just see it happening. 

Absolutely ridiculous statement Ox.  What are you thinking?

The Tigers are much better keepings off outfit vs the Cats, especially when gifted the defensive half of the ground like we did last week and Rnd 6 vs the Tigers in 2019.  Uncle will  be pleased.  We are in for a mild lashing me thinks (expecting roughly 4 goals or more)

[olisik 4,060]

Wow now AFL is rushing teams to get out of the state all while scheduling this game on a Sunday afternoon. 

So people really think the players focus will be on the game or thinking about the next 32 days away from home and packing to adhere to AFL trying to rush them off.

What a farce of a season this is really turning into.

[whatwhat say what 18,977]

2 minutes ago, olisik said:

Wow now AFL is rushing teams to get out of the state all while scheduling this game on a Sunday afternoon. 

So people really think the players focus will be on the game or thinking about the next 32 days away from home and packing to adhere to AFL trying to rush them off.

What a farce of a season this is really turning into.

Gotta get those broadcast $$

[Engorged Onion 9,278]

15 minutes ago, olisik said:

Wow now AFL is rushing teams to get out of the state all while scheduling this game on a Sunday afternoon. 

So people really think the players focus will be on the game or thinking about the next 32 days away from home and packing to adhere to AFL trying to rush them off.

What a farce of a season this is really turning into.

It'll still be Goodwins fault though ?

[Diamond_Jim 11,772]

26 minutes ago, olisik said:

Wow now AFL is rushing teams to get out of the state all while scheduling this game on a Sunday afternoon. 

So people really think the players focus will be on the game or thinking about the next 32 days away from home and packing to adhere to AFL trying to rush them off.

What a farce of a season this is really turning into.

you can just see that bus warming up outside the MCG so they can hightail it to Albury.

I hear there's a local Council there that loves Victorian

It does have a certain air of ridiculousness about it

On a more serious note my heart goes out to those people in heavy lockdown. They are among the most socially disadvantaged people in our community. It will be  a frightening experience on so many levels

[Hellofatime 83]

Apparently Harley kicked 4 goals from 20+ possessions last week in a scratch match, yet they can't find a place for him.

Most people know his history of injuries, we are told that it looks like his leg is right.  So why not play him? 

In his first game he made a reasonsble contribution.  If we had him in against Geelong he might have been the difference.

We need our best players on the park,  and if everyone is fit and available, I reckon we would have him in the best 22.  Everytime!

[Bobby McKenzie 2,169]

3 minutes ago, Hellofatime said:

Apparently Harley kicked 4 goals from 20+ possessions last week in a scratch match, yet they can't find a place for him.

Most people know his history of injuries, we are told that it looks like his leg is right.  So why not play him? 

In his first game he made a reasonsble contribution.  If we had him in against Geelong he might have been the difference.

We need our best players on the park,  and if everyone is fit and available, I reckon we would have him in the best 22.  Everytime!

I think they are gradually easing Harley into our top 22. Match fitness will improve with another one or two in the reserves and we can have his skills for a longer period of time than his first game with us. But it was confusing that he was selected for the postponed Essendon game and then not selected for the following week. Management they would probably call it. 

[Deestar9 1,402]

Goodwin explained that players like Kosi...Vanders & Hannan weren’t available & now they are he has to work harder to get a game. He isn’t the great white hope & after all the heartbreak he has had with his calves ...I’m happy to go with the fitness team & play him when he’s ready ...

[Laughing Goat 308]

defensive game......

a bit like Brayshaws treatment last year.

[MyFavouriteMartian 572]

20 minutes ago, Hellofatime said:

Apparently Harley kicked 4 goals from 20+ possessions last week in a scratch match, yet they can't find a place for him.

Most people know his history of injuries, we are told that it looks like his leg is right.  So why not play him? 

In his first game he made a reasonsble contribution.  If we had him in against Geelong he might have been the difference.

We need our best players on the park,  and if everyone is fit and available, I reckon we would have him in the best 22.  Everytime!

Uninjured does not mean not ready.

Condition might be uninjured;  but also can be he doesn't have the fitness,  endurance,  and also the disciplines.

He didn't set the game on alight.