CHANGES: Rd 15 vs Brisbane

[DubDee 20,753]

Weideman is doing enough to stay in the side. 2 contested marks, a goal, an assist. More importantly he brought the ball to ground most times and did some good spoiling. Clearly not a great game, but as a young key fwd learning his craft this is typical. 

If his intensity or effort drop off then drop him. If we improve he will start kicks more goals

[Vineytime 783]

Out: Baker, Wagner, ANB

In: Lewis, Lever, Hibbo

 

[Jaded No More 58,135]

We need to give young players a chance to get games under their belt. This season is finished. We cannot make the finals so let’s at least give guys like Weids, Petty, Baker and Petty as much game time as possible. 

I know Hibbo and Lever can play. They’ll still be good players if they have another week or two off to fully recover. 

[pitmaster 3,064]

10 hours ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Hannan should be the first to get the chop. Came directly back into the seniors after a long layoff  and hasn’t gotten near it for two weeks. Needs to get hands on pigskin at Casey for a few weeks.

 

Pigskin? Really?

No man, it's f@#$#%@ kangaroo hide.

And give Hannan more time to run into form. It's not like Melkie is anywhere near ready.

[drdrake 3,038]

10 hours ago, Vineytime said:

Out: Baker, Wagner, ANB

In: Lewis, Lever, Hibbo

 

We are coming up against a small quick side, Lewis will come in fro Wagner I reckon that will be the only change although Mitch Hannan would want to start getting a kick, if we had a small forward that was capable of coming in he would be dropped 

[ArtificialWisdom 3,870]

In: Hibbard, Lever*

Out: Wagner, Petty

Petty did alright on Saturday but if Lever is ready he plays Petty doesn't, it's not complicated. Frost, May, Lever is the defencive core and we need to develop them playing together. That said, the club was very careful to suggest the possibility that Lever might be out for more than just 1 week. 

I actually think Wagner has improved this year and if they wanted to play Salem up the ground I'd be happy for Wagner to stay in and maybe ANB or Hannan come out. Fritch and Salem on the wings and give Baker a run as the high HF.  

I love Hannan in the side but he just can't get his hands on it, I'd be happy if they persist or send him back for form. Either way I'd like to see Dunkley get a run at some point. 

[Vineytime 783]

11 hours ago, Jaded said:

We need to give young players a chance to get games under their belt. This season is finished. We cannot make the finals so let’s at least give guys like Weids, Petty, Baker and Petty as much game time as possible. 

I know Hibbo and Lever can play. They’ll still be good players if they have another week or two off to fully recover. 

Make them earn games off good performance, don’t gift them games. 

[dazzledavey36 48,867]

I reckon they will drop Hannan. 7 disposals and 0 tackles as a half forward is not a good look.

Wagner or JKH comes in for him.

Hannan needs to go back and get his hands on the ball and start providing that manic tackling pressure he is known for.

[praha 10,285]

12 hours ago, Vineytime said:

Out: Baker, Wagner, ANB

In: Lewis, Lever, Hibbo

 

I wouldn't drop Baker. ANB, Hannan, Petty, are all way ahead. Even Jones.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,462]

17 hours ago, Matsuo Basho said:

I watched. Had to check the stat sheet towards the end though to re-confirm he was actually out there.

Might help his 'development' more to actually dominate competitive games of footy at Casey, take marks and kick repeatedly for goal. Week after week after week. That would build confidence far more than spending 95 minutes out of 100 simply filling out a guernsey and being disdainfully pushed out of the way by seasoned AFL defenders, which is what's happening now. Just a thought.

Weideman is not earning his spot in this side. That's not healthy.

I wonder about this. I suspect the confidence damage of being dropped for any player would be greater than any confidence gained from playing well at Casey. In addition, having watched a few VFL games this year, it is noticeable how different the pressure and pace is compared with the seniors. I am not convinced that playing in the VFL necessarily helps any player make it in the seniors. And the longer they play there, the harder I suspect it is to acclimatise to the seniors once a promotion is achieved.  

[Nasher 33,068]

13 hours ago, Jaded said:

We need to give young players a chance to get games under their belt. This season is finished. We cannot make the finals so let’s at least give guys like Weids, Petty, Baker and Petty as much game time as possible. 

I know Hibbo and Lever can play. They’ll still be good players if they have another week or two off to fully recover. 

I think it’s just as important to give Hibberd, Lever and co maximum time to gel - they’re a bigger factor than Petty next year IMO.

Also, there’s that assumption again that selecting them this week implies they’re not fully recovered. My read was that leaving them out this week was already conservative as it was.

[Slartibartfast 15,807]

18 hours ago, Damo said:

 And Id like to see some upside from Petty, but I cant see it. I keep hearing it is there though.

Have you seen him at Casey much @Damo?  He's a big bloke, filling into his frame and he's dominated some games down there.  He reads the ball in flight and the game very well,  he generally kicks very well and he has terrific hands both in the air and on the ground.  He's half way through his second year and has so much improvement left in him.

On Saturday his disposal let him down twice that I saw but I loved his hands under pressure, his willingness to jump at the ball and his reading of the play.  I think he'll be very good for us and will be ready soon.  With Lever, May, Frost and Hore we have decisions to make.

Does anyone know if he's played forward in juniors? I saw him against Brisbane in the JLT this year and he played relief ruck late in the game and did well.  It made me wonder if he could play forward and relief ruck in the longer term in the seniors.  Just a thought.

[Damo 2,997]

5 minutes ago, Baghdad Bob said:

Have you seen him at Casey much @Damo?  He's a big bloke, filling into his frame and he's dominated some games down there.  He reads the ball in flight and the game very well,  he generally kicks very well and he has terrific hands both in the air and on the ground.  He's half way through his second year and has so much improvement left in him.

No I havent seen him live at Casey except on the internet.. I do hope he proves me wrong.  I am against us trying to find form by playing in the seniors. Other teams dont do it nearly as much as we do. Look at who we are playing into form at the moment: Weid, Tom Mac, Hannan, Viney, your boy Harry and next week Lever. Looks to me Tracc has been played into form so a tick there.

Other than Tom and Jack, Id let the other 4 prove it. And although Im a huge fan, Tom Mac isnt back. We saw a glimpse which if you like proves it works. But for 25% of the team? No from me.

[drysdale demon 4,174]

20 hours ago, Matsuo Basho said:

I can't agree with any of that. Was ordinary against the Crows quite aside from the missed winner, did nothing against the Filth save for a a couple of moments of involvement late, was a non-event for most of yesterday.

A couple of nice marks and some decoy forward running in 300 minutes of footy. Sorry but my bar is set a little higher than that.

We all see things differently.

I don't see anything the same as you, thankfully and neither do the footy dept. which is more important.

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

19 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

I don't see anything the same as you, thankfully and neither do the footy dept. which is more important.

Not so sure about that. I’ve predicted my fair share of goings on that came to fruition over the journey. Trading out of Watts in 2017, Hogan last year, both calls I made well in advance of most. Gary Pert all but declared on Saturday we will be going after a key forward this off season. I’ve been the driver of that conversation on here. Just a few examples there for you. 

I have little idea how you see things because you never actually comment on anything. Just snipes and put downs from the shadows. I thought an ex-boxer might be a little more courageous than that. Easy to pot, a lot harder to put up.

Edited June 24, 2019 by Matsuo Basho

[drysdale demon 4,174]

2 minutes ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Not so sure about that. I’ve predicted my fair share of goings on that gave to fruition over the journey. Trading out of Watts in 2017, Hogan last year, both calls I made well in advance of most. Gary Pert all but declared on Saturday we will be going after a key forward this off season. I’ve been the driver of that conversation on here. Just a few examples there for you. 

I have little idea how you see things because you never actually comment on anything. Just snipes and put downs from the shadows. I thought an ex-boxer might be a little more courageous than that. Easy to pot, a lot harder to put up.

We can always catch up before a game and have a proper discussion regarding the club and it's future instead of banging away on a keyboard,

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

12 minutes ago, drysdale demon said:

We can always catch up before a game and have a proper discussion regarding the club and it's future instead of banging away on a keyboard,

Post a few interesting and insightful comments on here and I might just consider it! Don’t worry I won’t hold your not having won a Brownlow medal against you.

[Redleg 37,693]

5 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I reckon they will drop Hannan. 7 disposals and 0 tackles as a half forward is not a good look.

Wagner or JKH comes in for him.

Hannan needs to go back and get his hands on the ball and start providing that manic tackling pressure he is known for.

Agree with Hannan going back to Casey to get some confidence, but it will be hard to overlook Lewis on his last 2 Casey games.

Play him HFF on Hodge.

[Moonshadow 16,239]

23 hours ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

Sadly he touched the prune about 20 times - only managing to mark it 4 times, otherwise just flat-handing it down to ground

Another example of reading stats only one way.

Despite our terrible bombs inside 50, I saw Weid make the contest and spill an easy Freo mark at least 5 or 6 times. Twice that I remember resulting in goals to us, including one to Lockard (double effort) and the Tmac sealer. Both Goody in his presser and Roos on TV made a point of emphasising his work rate.  

Did you and Range Rover miss this? 

I think Weid is tracking very well and could become the key forward to build a team around. The more games we get into him now, the quicker his development.

Its boring seeing posters still bag him as a means of pushing their 'trade the farm for a kpf' agenda (not you). 

Edited June 24, 2019 by Moonshadow

[Wells 11 4,785]

On 6/23/2019 at 9:55 AM, dazzledavey36 said:

I think we can definitely fit in Hore, May, Lever and Frost.

Frost is such a different hybrid of a defender. For someone who is 194cm, he has speed of a small running defender and can easily play on the small blokes like Walters. I'd give him first choice on Cameron next week.

Lever and Hore are brilliant intercept defenders. Something we haven't had since Jared Rivers. Once May and Lever are up and going Hore plays a floating defender In the same way as what Tom Stewart does down at Geelong. 

 

I agree. Frosty has the pace,  agility  and stamina to go with him . I’m Remembering  his ragdolling of petrocelle a few weeks back. Seems like a strange choice given their different sizes but I can’t even think of who our second choice would be. Jetta is still leaving a hole in this side. 

[DeeSpencer 23,189]

6 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I reckon they will drop Hannan. 7 disposals and 0 tackles as a half forward is not a good look.

Wagner or JKH comes in for him.

Hannan needs to go back and get his hands on the ball and start providing that manic tackling pressure he is known for.

Manic tackling pressure? Even in peak form Hannan has a good sprint but is far from the best at sticking the tackles and ordinary at changing directions.

The best of Hannan is decent forward pressure but a versatile attacking player who can get to the right spots to create goals or link up with clever run and carry. And the ability to kick a goal at an important time.

I'd be inclined to drop him as well but more to get him some easy touches than thinking his pressure is going to drastically improve. The best argument to keep him in the side is he's a natural forward where as the replacement for him wouldn't be. It goes against the idea of keeping continuity in the forward half as well. 

[SwissDee 43]

Dunkley a chance for ANB or Hannan?

[binman 38,462]

3 hours ago, Baghdad Bob said:

He reads the ball in flight and the game very well,  he generally kicks very well and he has terrific hands both in the air and on the ground.  He's half way through his second year and has so much improvement left in him.

On Saturday his disposal let him down twice that I saw but I loved his hands under pressure, his willingness to jump at the ball and his reading of the play.  I think he'll be very good for us and will be ready soon.  With Lever, May, Frost and Hore we have decisions to make.

Agree with all points. I thought he played quite well.

Made some turnovers but jeez so did every other player.

I liked when he crashed into a dockers player in the air - really committed to the contest. And i liked the mark he took late in the in the last q. Simple but snaffled it. 

Happy for him to stay in the side, but also happy for him to go back to Casey and keep building. If Lever is ready would seem a natural swap. A good dilemma to have.

[Moonshadow 16,239]

18 minutes ago, Wells 11 said:

I agree. Frosty has the pace,  agility  and stamina to go with him . I’m Remembering  his ragdolling of petrocelle a few weeks back. Seems like a strange choice given their different sizes but I can’t even think of who our second choice would be. Jetta is still leaving a hole in this side. 

Salem on Cameron? More damaging by foot than Frost

[binman 38,462]

14 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I'd be inclined to drop him as well but more to get him some easy touches than thinking his pressure is going to drastically improve. The best argument to keep him in the side is he's a natural forward where as the replacement for him wouldn't be. It goes against the idea of keeping continuity in the forward half as well. 

I can see the argument for dropping him but personally i'd like to see him stay in the side.

Has not been in great form yet but with 3 (?) games under his belt he will be close now to full fitness and if he clicks i'd rather it happen in the ones not at Casey. At his best  provides a real x factor  and i have a feeling he is a good energy in the team.