Post Match Discussion - Round 5

[gregdemon 622]

9 minutes ago, praha said:

I don't even care anymore. It's really not worth it.

I feel like that sometimes  driving home often..   till I get home.  I do care and always will    but disappointed in tonites game.      At 2 wins 3 loses not all is lost  yet.   next 3  games very winable   ( I hope)         Sitting close to ground  very happy with intensity for 3 quarters. Skill let us down  and they are very good.

[demonique 314]

Every match that goes by we get worse . Fumbles  fumbles and fumbles . No game plan . Goodwin is trashing the Roos legacy and I have lost the faith . We are nowhere near a finals side. I fear the worst as our season moves along as we crumble and fumble . 

I agree with an earlier poster that  Goodwin has lost the players.. but I sincerely hope not. Something  is certainly broken upstairs and it needs fixing pronto or we will slump back to 2013 

[Jaded No More 67,780]

Well Goodwin seems happy with the effort, so I guess nothing to see here. Move along. Fake news. 

[DeeZee 7,296]

God, how nice would it be to follow a decent team.

wonder what it feels like?

[KingDingAling 3,740]

45 minutes ago, Forest Demon said:

This isn't the the first time I've said this, but our game plan, and the type of players we have set the team up with isnt working.

We rarely have open options when we move the ball, as opposed to our opposition who seem to have a lottery of options.

Our "outside" players, half forward flankers etc, are guys like Harmes and ANB. Decent back up mids, but we need players in those roles to have more class.

Im not a huge Watts fan, but when we let him go, I said we better know what we are doing, as it leaves Salem as our only real top class reliable kick.

We have loaded up on contested types, but it ain't working,

That is why I prefer Hannan over many of these limited and wasteful mid types. Harmes and ANB don't really offer a lot. One of them lacks penetration (ANB) and the other is just bog ordinary (Harmes). Hannan is like Hunt - a handful on his day and gives the side another dimension. I'd of preferred see Bayley Fritsch on the flank as opposed to Harmes or ANB.

[KingDingAling 3,740]

2 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Well Goodwin seems happy with the effort, so I guess nothing to see here. Move along. Fake news. 

I am no fan of Goodwin, but he is possibly - and understandably - perplexed as to how to handle this group. He may have give them a whack last week and they didn't respond, so he might be trying to cuddle them a bit. I don't really know but I wouldn't read too much into that.

[Jaded No More 67,780]

Just now, KingDingAling said:

I am no fan of Goodwin, but he is possibly - and understandably - perplexed as to how to handle this group. He may have give them a whack last week and they didn't respond, so he might be trying to cuddle them a bit. I don't really know but I wouldn't read too much into that.

Jesus I’m very worried if he doesn’t know how to handle his group of players who he has been involved with for 4 years now. 

If they need a cuddle I suggest they go find their mummy, not look for one from their footy coach. 

[Optimus D 283]

 

3 minutes ago, Docs Demons said:

You have nailed it DB. No A Graders and plenty of good VFL players that are not up to AFL standard . 60 plus 40 odd point losses means we are not good enough and need to bring in players that can run, spread and more importantly kick the friggin thing to our players and not the other side. Our skills are terrible.

Agree totally

I think we are dreaming if we think that we are going to play finals this year. It is evident that we have not got the quality players with the skill, speed and ticker to make a dramatic improvement. A least we kicked a goal in every quarter - Hooray. 

[Webber 10,433]

5 minutes ago, KingDingAling said:

That is why I prefer Hannan over many of these limited and wasteful mid types. Harmes and ANB don't really offer a lot. One of them lacks penetration (ANB) and the other is just bog ordinary (Harmes). Hannan is like Hunt - a handful on his day and gives the side another dimension. I'd of preferred see Bayley Fritsch on the flank as opposed to Harmes or ANB.

Hannan doesn't get the pill enough. Simples. 

[praha 11,125]

14 minutes ago, Docs Demons said:

You have nailed it DB. No A Graders and plenty of good VFL players that are not up to AFL standard . 60 plus 40 odd point losses means we are not good enough and need to bring in players that can run, spread and more importantly kick the friggin thing to our players and not the other side. Our skills are terrible.

I sweat to god this is the same issue we've had for 30 years. Ever since I've started supporting this club, we've had poor skills.

[DeeZee 7,296]

We really are a bunch of perennial losers aren’t we?

We could’ve had Natanui , Josh Kelly and Ollie Wines in our midfield if we were smart.

everthing seems to fall apart with us

[Go the Biff 3,360]

1 minute ago, KingDingAling said:

That is why I prefer Hannan over many of these limited and wasteful mid types. Harmes and ANB don't really offer a lot. One of them lacks penetration (ANB) and the other is just bog ordinary (Harmes). Hannan is like Hunt - a handful on his day and gives the side another dimension. I'd of preferred see Bayley Fritsch on the flank as opposed to Harmes or ANB.

Same here. Some posters are rightfully bemoaning the fact that we didn't switch the play. Problem is we had no runners to switch to. We need a couple of "wide receivers" to pinch an American term. Blokes who know their job is to run and present. To be a release option outside the contest and smart enough not to get sucked into the skirmishes. Jones was doing this to an extent in the third quarter. I once hoped Billy 15 would do this but in the past 12 months, he's looked like a bloke who is terrified he's going to make a mistake - and consequently does. I'd like to think that Hannan could adapt to this role. Also  agree would prefer to see Fritta on the flank but he has to be managed. He's looked gassed about 5 times in each game he's played. But he can use the footy.

I've some hope for ANB as I've seen him play decent footy. But his disposal by hand and foot is horrid. It's not only skill it's application. You should respect each possession you get and he doesn't. He's just careless and if he can't fix that I see no future for him outside of running marathons

Harmes I have no hope for. Fumbles, poor user of the pill, runs to dumb spots, goes the hero mark too often and regularly gets pinged trying to break tackles. Someone should tell him that it takes more than bad tatts to become Dusty. He gives me the [censored]

[WERRIDEE 5,352]

I'M REALLY PEEVED. FIRST HALF DISGUSTING SKILL LEVEL, COMICAL AT TIMES, RESONABLE 3RD QUARTER AND THEN GAVE UP IN THE LAST. TYPICAL MELBOURNE!

LET'S FACE IT WE ARE A BOTTOM 4 SIDE AND WE WILL NEVER MAKE THE FINALS AS LONG AS OUR ASS POINTS TO THE GROUND.

TOO MANY VFL STANDARD PLAYERS AT THE CLUB WHO BUTCHER THE BALL.

THIS CLUB SICKENS ME.

[SFebes 4,860]

How can Goodwin say we made a step forward? Ffs! That was one of the poorest skilled displays from a dysfunctional game plan I’ve ever seen live

[Soidee 1,496]

Finals....hahahahaha!  MCG is not our home anymore, it means nothing to this group who continue to play Shyte there.  What’s the plan folks?  Any ideas?  Scarf back in the drawer for another year?  Our brand?  What is it?  Any ideas?

we are worse than last year to watch!  Going backwards again! 

Must be time for another rebuild!

Edited April 24, 2018 by Soidee

[SFebes 4,860]

1 minute ago, WERRIDEE said:

I'M REALLY PEEVED. FIRST HALF DISGUSTING SKILL LEVEL, COMICAL AT TIMES, RESONABLE 3RD QUARTER AND THEN GAVE UP IN THE LAST. TYPICAL MELBOURNE!

LET'S FACE IT WE ARE A BOTTOM 4 SIDE AND WE WILL NEVER MAKE THE FINALS AS LONG AS OUR ASS POINTS TO THE GROUND.

TOO MANY VFL STANDARD PLAYERS AT THE CLUB WHO BUTCHER THE BALL.

THIS CLUB SICKENS ME.

Imagine if we finish last but we gave away our first round pick lol

[DeeZee 7,296]

I actually resent the club, it’s getting ugly now. The football is not enjoyable anymore.

I feel so bloody sorry for my kids for dragging them into this mess of a club.

sick of these soft pretenders 

[Elegt 872]

7 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

We really are a bunch of perennial losers aren’t we?

We could’ve had Natanui , Josh Kelly and Ollie Wines in our midfield if we were smart.

everthing seems to fall apart with us

and the club thought salem and Tyson was a good trade for kelly? what a genius move from the dees recruiting team!! then 3 years later they trade away our future in 2 first round picks for Jake lever! 

[D4Life 2,405]

I commented to the Tiger supporter sitting next to me in the first couple of minutes, watch our backline structure, in particular the goalsquare and how many players fly for the mark or punch. He said you don’t play footy and can see it,  stands out like dogs ....., why can’t your coaches see it?

Then you look at Tigers backline, almost someone always in the goalsquare and their players balance going up for the mark or punching the incoming ball, with keeping players down!

Doing this doesn’t seem to hard, why can’t we do it. Jetta, Hibberd, Lever & even OMac can all play, Hunt still seems a bit off, but why are we so bad letting easy goals through?

[Watts the matter 1,235]

1 minute ago, SFebey said:

Imagine if we finish last but we gave away our first round pick lol

Don't even.

[Ethan Tremblay 30,044]

Adelaide must be stoked with how we are going. 

[Deemented Are Go! 3,676]

2 minutes ago, SFebey said:

Imagine if we finish last but we gave away our first round pick lol

Jeez, mate, thems some fucken dark thoughts right there

[Adam The God 29,425]

55 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Whilst I agree that the way we play is a problem, I don't think the problem tonight was defensive. For three quarters our press kept us in the game because of our effort.

The problem was we weren't scoring, so every time they scored it hurt more than it should have.

We should have been leading in the middle of the third, we'd been absolutely dominant. But because we don't convert momentum/dominance into scores, it all falls apart when the opposition gets on top (which will happen vs sides like Richmond, Hawthorn and Geelong).

It's a strange and frustrating feeling to absolutely dominate a team for a whole half of football and come away with a 7-8 goal drumming.

[ding 5,126]

1 minute ago, SFebey said:

Imagine if we finish last but we gave away our first round pick lol

Its fairly obvious that some in the club (and many supporters) thought we were in the window, hence giving up 2 first rounders for Lever. We may well come to regret selling the farm for an intercept marker, when we could have just kept Howe. It may turn out ok, but so far that trade has been a disaster.

So far.

[Demon Dynasty 17,094]

32 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

I’ve said this many times before but our style of play requires so much effort, often for very lttle reward. No surprise we are tired.

We lack outside run and carry with a turn of speed and finishing skills and are paying a huge price as a result IMO Clint.

Stretch was supposed to bring some of that tonight.... major fail.  Tyson a bit on the outside also but again, another NQR who will too often find an opponent under little pressure as he will one of our own.

Then we have a few too many grunty plodder types who are ok on the inside but terribly slow by foot and often come with pretty average delivery skills.   Their slowness by foot and poor/slow decision making means they are usually under even more pressure when they get it making their delivery skills even worse, if that's possible.  I also think that because they know we don't have the class options on the outside, the inside grunt players tend to try and do to much in an effort to maintain the ball, knowing if they allow it outside we probably lose the battle.

Maybe it's just me but I can't see us correcting this imbalance in the short term.  There just isn't any stock waiting in the wings to solve it.

Edited April 24, 2018 by Rusty Nails