AFL ask Hird to present Norm Smith Medal

[beelzebub 23,376]

1 minute ago, Moonshadow said:

Interesting that Gil heads of to France tomorrow on holidays and Hird is currently in Europe (probably visiting the future F/S). Wonder if the two will catch up for a glass of red or two to discuss the Norm Smith medal.

I mean.... what are the chances ?? 

[CityDee 738]

I guess they offer it to Hird  in order so he doesn't feel bad about it if they dont offer it then the afl hope he declines so he is not subjected to booing or creates a distraction in grand final week . 

Or is the afl silly enough to trot out a fragile bloke who recently attempted  suicide to be Heckled on grand final day . 

[old dee 23,791]

23 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Interesting that Gil heads of to France tomorrow on holidays and Hird is currently in Europe (probably visiting the future F/S). Wonder if they will catch up for a glass of red or two to discuss the Norm Smith medal.

Any chance they might both stay there?

[Moonshadow 17,676]

1 minute ago, old dee said:

Any chance they might both stay there?

Good place to 'get your affairs in order'!

[chookrat 4,250]

6 hours ago, Barney Rubble said:

This is the List of Players to Have won the Medal up until 2000.

So far they have gone in order of recipients to be invited to present the medals.

But now they have come across the man who has brought the game into total disrepute.

Jobe had to hand back the Brownlow  because of the drugs.

Why the Turd (The Drug Cheating Coach) is allowed to present a medal in the Name of Norm Smith (the Greatest Coach Ever) is beyond me.

Do the AFL think that because the players are playing again then all is forgiven.

Think again you Morons. He will never be forgiven by this person.

 

 

1979	Wayne Harmes	Carlton	Carlton
1980	Kevin Bartlett	Richmond	Richmond
1981	Bruce Doull	Carlton	Carlton
19821	Maurice Rioli	Richmond	Carlton
1983	Colin Robertson	Hawthorn	Hawthorn
1984	Billy Duckworth	Essendon	Essendon
1985	Simon Madden	Essendon	Essendon
1986	Gary Ayres	Hawthorn	Hawthorn
1987	David Rhys-Jones	Carlton	Carlton
1988	Gary Ayres	Hawthorn	Hawthorn
19891	Gary Ablett, Sr.	Geelong	Hawthorn
1990	Tony Shaw	Collingwood	Collingwood
1991	Paul Dear	Hawthorn	Hawthorn
1992	Peter Matera	West Coast	West Coast
1993	Michael Long	Essendon	Essendon
1994	Dean Kemp	West Coast	West Coast
1995	Greg Williams	Carlton	Carlton
1996	Glenn Archer	North Melbourne	North Melbourne
1997	Andrew McLeod	Adelaide	Adelaide
1998	Andrew McLeod	Adelaide	Adelaide
1999	Shannon Grant	North Melbourne	North Melbourne
2000	James Hird	Essendon	Essendon

Where are the Melbourne players?

[Nasher 33,616]

2 minutes ago, chookrat said:

Where are the Melbourne players?

If that's meant to be a joke, it's sick.  YOU ARE SICK.

[chookrat 4,250]

Just now, Nasher said:

If that's meant to be a joke, it's sick.  YOU ARE SICK.

Masher, just pointing out that the list is a sore spot for Melbourne supporters and is really a documented manifest proving the existence of the Norm Smith curse.

Maybe Hird will present the medal on the day and break the curse.

[FarNorthernD 5,861]

16 hours ago, Barney Rubble said:

 

1979	Wayne Harmes	Carlton	Carlton
1980	Kevin Bartlett	Richmond	Richmond
1981	Bruce Doull	Carlton	Carlton
19821	Maurice Rioli	Richmond	Carlton
1983	Colin Robertson	Hawthorn	Hawthorn
1984	Billy Duckworth	Essendon	Essendon
1985	Simon Madden	Essendon	Essendon
1986	Gary Ayres	Hawthorn	Hawthorn
1987	David Rhys-Jones	Carlton	Carlton
1988	Gary Ayres	Hawthorn	Hawthorn
19891	Gary Ablett, Sr.	Geelong	Hawthorn
1990	Tony Shaw	Collingwood	Collingwood
1991	Paul Dear	Hawthorn	Hawthorn
1992	Peter Matera	West Coast	West Coast
1993	Michael Long	Essendon	Essendon
1994	Dean Kemp	West Coast	West Coast
1995	Greg Williams	Carlton	Carlton
1996	Glenn Archer	North Melbourne	North Melbourne
1997	Andrew McLeod	Adelaide	Adelaide
1998	Andrew McLeod	Adelaide	Adelaide
1999	Shannon Grant	North Melbourne	North Melbourne
2000	James Hird	Essendon	Essendon

John Safran once visited the Walt Disney museum and put up little known facts about Walt such as he was a supporter of Hitler to see if anyone would notice. I feel like Colin Robertson has been snuck onto that list. Anyone else having trouble remembering him?

[Rob Mac...... 638]

1. It's unfair to the Norm Smith medal winner. 

 

2. Hird hasn't admitted to his guilt, therefor he's not tried to rehabilitate himself, he's tried to rehabilitate his reputation (a totally different thing). 

3. Bringing The Game Into Disrepute:

Hird contributed hugely to the games most disgraceful scandal. 

Giving Hird this honour (to a degree) condones his behaviour so further increases the games disrepute, while reminding everyone of it all again when we should let it fade into history for decades. 

-  Stupidest AFL move in years 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Uncle Fester 2,848]

Not like I'm gonna get that chance (damn you GC for dafting me!) but I'd like to think I wouldn't lower my head to let him put it on me. I'd put out my hand and put it on myself.

[chook fowler 19,459]

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[Ethan Tremblay 30,861]

4 hours ago, Rob Mac...... said:

1. It's unfair to the Norm Smith medal winner. 

 

2. Hird hasn't admitted to his guilt, therefor he's not tried to rehabilitate himself, he's tried to rehabilitate his reputation (a totally different thing). 

3. Bringing The Game Into Disrepute:

Hird contributed hugely to the games most disgraceful scandal. 

Giving Hird this honour (to a degree) condones his behaviour so further increases the games disrepute, while reminding everyone of it all again when we should let it fade into history for decades. 

-  Stupidest AFL move in years 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Plus if Hird makes contact with the player, they might catch drugs.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,755]

5 hours ago, fndee said:

John Safran once visited the Walt Disney museum and put up little known facts about Walt such as he was a supporter of Hitler to see if anyone would notice. I feel like Colin Robertson has been snuck onto that list. Anyone else having trouble remembering him?

Believe it or not, his name was mentioned on 3AW pre-game today. Callers were asked to name their best 5 Hawthorn players ever and one caller included Colin Robertson. I'm not a Hawthorn person but I could comfortably name a best 22 over the last 50 years and Robertson wouldn't get a mention. 

[Lucifers Hero 39,811]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/scott-mcgrory-says-james-hird-handing-out-norm-smith-would-be-like-lance-armstrong-handing-out-yellow-jersey-at-tour-de-france/news-story/53e1573e803cb4af0c1effc3f92e9202

As usual with the ESS saga it takes someone outside the AFL industry to call the elephant in the room. 

"OLYMPIC cycling gold medallist Scott McGrory says getting James Hird to hand out the Norm Smith Medal at this year’s Grand Final would be like getting Lance Armstrong to present the winner’s yellow jersey at the Tour de France... putting Hird up as a “role model” was “a really bad image for the sport”.

The AFL industry media are so beholden to the AFL that it won't call out this elephant in the room.  McGory quite rightly says:  "...that while AFL commentators are often critical of other codes, they need to hold their own sport to the same standard".

Of course that will never happen if they want to stay on the AFL media drip feed.

[biggestred 5,088]

Yes because it appears the afl and afl media are yet to realise that the wada code the afl signed up to is the same that governs the tour de france, olympics etc etc.

 

Theyre very quick to pan russians and east germans but not essendon.

In fact if you said the 1984 east german gymnastics coach was going to present the gold medals at the olympics, thered be a riot.

[Skuit 10,031]

I'm a strong supporter of AFL tradition. Like the centre-bounce. The day-time grand final. Not injecting your team full of drugs.

[Willmoy1947 4,089]

Worthy of discussion to have MFC withdraw Norm Smith's name for this year's Medal presentation in protest of the Medal being tainted now like the Brownlow..........

[steve_f 40]

This is madness.  The crowd or a portion thereof will boo and Hird will be tempted to self-medicate again.  As surely as night follows day.

 

[Pates 9,660]

I'm not against the idea of him eventually handing over the Norm Smith medal, perhaps to the next Essendon Norm Smith medal winner (may it never happen!). But for me this is too soon for so many reasons, on every major one as others have alluded to is the fact that mentally he hasn't been in a good place recently. Now if he does this and gets cheered, it will probably be a good thing for him, but I would say more than likely he'll get booed. Just look at Adam Goodes, he got booed relentlessly, some would argue different reasons but either way it got ridiculously out of control and it clearly affected him. 

As for Scott McGrory's comments (and to be honest I'd never heard of him before), it isn't quite the same. Hird won the Norm Smith medal for being a bloody good player, untainted by drugs. He earned it 100% and was a great player in the 2000 premiership, that is something no one can ever take away from him. 

Lance Armstrong won SEVERAL Tour de France's whilst rorting the system and being bully about it at the same time. He disgraced the sport while he was a competitor and didn't earn some of his titles through being a good clean athlete. 

Hird f---ed up, badly. He placed his trust in the wrong people, and he arrogantly played the ignorance and innocence card when he failed in his duty of care to the players. 

I think it's a mistake that he awards the medal while there are players that were affected still playing. I don't expect it too happen but imagine if one of the suspended players wins the medal. It'd be a horrible look for the game. 

Edited July 16, 2017 by Pates

[puntkick 325]

Of course it will be a liquid moment, there'll be brown chocolate everywhere !

[Jara 1,153]

"Hird f---ed up, badly. He placed his trust in the wrong people, and he arrogantly played the ignorance and innocence card when he failed in his duty of care to the players. "

It's not the eff-up - I suspect Hird didn't know exactly what Dank was doing - it's the ongoing cover-up that's the problem. Where are the records? And if they try to say that Dank's got em, why haven't they sued him?  Until they produce em, or acknowledge that they destroyed them and apologise, I'll never forgive.

Makes me sick that they look like playing finals this year - especially with the Number One pick they got for doing drugs.

 

Edited July 16, 2017 by Jara

[What 18,810]

30 minutes ago, Jara said:

I suspect Hird didn't know exactly what Dank was doing - it's the ongoing cover-up that's the problem.

Hird knew exactly what was going on. 

 

[1 red eye 1 blue eye 771]

6 hours ago, Pates said:

Hird won the Norm Smith medal for being a bloody good player, untainted by drugs. He earned it 100% and was a great player in the 2000 premiership, that is something no one can ever take away from him. 

I admired him as a footballer but after what's happened you just cannot state he was 100% clean. I remember on a couple of occasions how quickly he healed from injury, at the time that added to how gobsmackingly good he was, but now I can't be 100% sure.

If he was tainted I'm sure he wasn't alone, I'm 99% convinced that cheating has been widespread and is the reason why the AFL had to alert the Bombers, they were busted anyway and this isolated the problem.

Essendon have taken the drug taking rap much like we took the tanking one.

With this in mind, should he present the medal? No, but it would explain why the AFL want him to.

 

[rjay 24,928]

8 hours ago, Pates said:

As for Scott McGrory's comments (and to be honest I'd never heard of him before), it isn't quite the same. Hird won the Norm Smith medal for being a bloody good player, untainted by drugs. He earned it 100% and was a great player in the 2000 premiership, that is something no one can ever take away from him. 

Well 'Pates', these days all I will say is he hasn't been proven guilty of taking anything.

Unfortunately I'm not in the position to say he 100% earned it...recent events in world sport make it an impossible call. 

8 hours ago, Pates said:

He placed his trust in the wrong people

That's the spin being pushed by the Hird camp, again do we know this 100% to be true???

On 15/07/2017 at 8:52 AM, Lucifer's Hero said:

The AFL industry media are so beholden to the AFL that it won't call out this elephant in the room.

 

On 15/07/2017 at 8:52 AM, Lucifer's Hero said:

Of course that will never happen if they want to stay on the AFL media drip feed

Grant Thomas says hello...

[beelzebub 23,376]

Lets us be under no illusion my fellow Dlanders. Hird fukced up badly because HE fukced up. No one held a gun to his head ; quite the reverse really if you understand the nature of egging on your underlings to sign non specific waivers and do the 'club' thing' !!

No, he with his mate the weapon, got Dank in and the rest is history ( if not recorded )

Hird is not..  i reapeat not the Victim. He was an instigator. 

[censored] him !!