Training - Monday 23 January, 2017

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

3 hours ago, ProDee said:

So much text on an ordinary player.  And I'll add to it...

Spencer can play some good footy, as evidenced by his good performance in Gawn's breakout game against Geelong in 2015.

As Vogon asserts, hell be good backup if Gawn goes down.  But that's it.  He's backup.

I'm confident of playing finals this year if Gawn remains injury free for the entire season.

If, however, Gawn gets injured, we're stuffed. I very much doubt Gawn's back-up will be able to get us there.

 

Edited January 24, 2017 by Ron Burgundy

[Gator 17,354]

I'm looking forward to the season proper so I don't have to continually encounter self-annointed "expert training comments".

Sad really.

[Roost It 1,434]

Is it just me or is Hunt massively over rated around here?

[John Dee 445]

4 minutes ago, Roost It said:

Is it just me or is Hunt massively over rated around here?

No, it is just you.

[Roost It 1,434]

1 minute ago, John Dee said:

No, it is just you.

I think I'll prove to be correct before the year's out

 

 

[Deestroy All 14,266]

12 minutes ago, Roost It said:

Is it just me or is Hunt massively over rated around here?

Speed, hardness, courage, contested work, good mark for his size, kicks goals off half back... in his first year. 

Yeah, overrated. 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

15 minutes ago, Roost It said:

Is it just me or is Hunt massively over rated around here?

Any reason why you think he is over rated? 

[KingDingAling 3,758]

32 minutes ago, Roost It said:

Is it just me or is Hunt massively over rated around here?

Has X factor so probably gets outrageous comparisons (Dangerfield, etc). So in that context he may be overrated a little bit. But he does appear to have a high ceiling, and I don't think it is all just potential, as we have seen him do some pretty special things.

[jnrmac 20,065]

8 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

I think that's fair enough and I think Matt Jones is a good example. He turned training track improvement in to real improvement but still had the same flaws and was just a depth player. When we had the chance to bring Lewis in and already had Melksham, Bugg, Harmes etc as younger depth he made way.

It's not rubbishing Spencer or anyone reporting on him to say his improvement doesn't mean much yet. 

Probably the difference with Spencer is he's clearly the number 2 ruckman and plays very well in the VFL. Therefore he'll always be around the mark in selection decisions. 

Overall there's no point talking about his future beyond this season. 

He was towelled up in the VFL Grand FInal.....

[DeeSpencer 25,709]

16 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

He was towelled up in the VFL Grand FInal.....

Certainly. And it's worth remembering that against guys I'd consider quality depth in Minson and Campbell he was found wanting, but most weeks he plays well and occasionally he dominates. More often than not he's putting his name forward for selection as the back up if we want to play 2 rucks.

[DeeZone 9,842]

Thanks WW, VP, Saty and all other posters another excellent training Report, also enjoyed most of the banter and opinion pieces as well, even if I didn't always agree with content. I think that until the team and coaches purge our recent past of expectation and constant failures it will be hard for some posters to fully embrace the positivity that is being endorsed in the training reports but to be honest the quality of these reports have also gone up a notch in line with the coaching staff and improved player list now at MFC and I like it a lot. Go Dee's!!!. 

[Copuchas 763]

2 hours ago, Roost It said:

Is it just me or is Hunt massively over rated around here?

3,623 posts and only 873 likes.....hhhmmm....if there was an algorithm for a troll you would most certainly trigger the threshold.  Don't think I'll waste my time engaging.....

[Satyriconhome 10,878]

9 hours ago, ProDee said:

I'm looking forward to the season proper so I don't have to continually encounter self-annointed "expert training comments".

Sad really.

You just read them to annoy yourself I take it, there is a name for that, which is sad in itself

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,755]

7 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Certainly. And it's worth remembering that against guys I'd consider quality depth in Minson and Campbell he was found wanting, but most weeks he plays well and occasionally he dominates. More often than not he's putting his name forward for selection as the back up if we want to play 2 rucks.

Spencer may not just be back up for Gawn. Injuries to Hogan and/or Watts may also see Spencer selected. 

[AllMyTeamsAreWank 564]

10 hours ago, Roost It said:

Is it just me or is Hunt massively over rated around here?

I don't think people on here overrate Hunt at all. The way I see it is people are more excited about what he could become.

 

I personally believe Hunt has shown more than Petracca in his short stint in the seniors. There are not many first season players (not counting his two injury riddled seasons) who can break lines, kick goals and take contested marks like he has done on multiple occasions. 

I don't believe the excitement is misplaced at all.  

Edited January 24, 2017 by AllMyTeamsAreWank

[The Chazz 4,077]

12 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said:

I'm confident of playing finals this year if Gawn remains injury free for the entire season.

If, however, Gawn gets injured, we're stuffed. I very much doubt Gawn's back-up will be able to get us there.

 

If Gawn goes down, and we rely on Spencer to take ruck duties, we need to do these two things;

1. Spencer needs to compete.  He doesn't need to dominate, just compete.  Gawn was the number 1 ruckman in the league in 2016.  He rarely lowered his colours, and dominated a majority of the finalists.  Point is, they still managed to play finals with a ruck that didn't dominate every week.

2. If Spencer can compete, then our mids need to be smarter, and start reading the opposition ruck, especially now there is no third man up happening.  Sharking opposition rucks is something that the good teams do, actually, even poor teams do it (see Carlton v Melbourne this year).  This is where Craig Jennings (Game Analyst) and Ben Mathews (Stoppage Coach) will need to earn their money.

While it would be preferred that Max didn't go down, we follow the above two points and there's no reason finals can't still be achieved.

[Vogon Poetry 2,095]

11 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Any reason why you think he is over rated? 

I smell a troll.  If anything, I think I underrate him and I think he's special.

Edited January 25, 2017 by Vogon Poetry

[hardtack 10,537]

10 hours ago, jnrmac said:

He was towelled up in the VFL Grand FInal.....

The entire team was toweled up in the VFL Grand Final!

[beelzebub 23,376]

7 minutes ago, Vogon Poetry said:

I smell a troll.  If anything, I think I underrate him and I think he's special.

Doubt Roost It a troll. Been here for yonks. Some others here would be better described as such.

I don't particularly subscribe to RI's view but Hunt is still much more raw potential than accomplished. Hope he hunkers down and rounds out his game, could be anything.

[Skuit 10,031]

44 minutes ago, Vogon Poetry said:

I smell a troll.  If anything, I think I underrate him and I think he's special.

  Roost It successfully diverting attention from the original Spencer diversion of the training thread. Not a troll. Just a meta-commentary [censored]-take.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

23 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

You do have the opportunity to not read posts, not dictate what others should or shouldn't find important

 

23 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

That's ok chap, just find a bit boring when some criticise,  they can just not read it,

 

3 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

You just read them to annoy yourself I take it, there is a name for that, which is sad in itself

 

A serious case of "do as I say and not as I do".

 

You similarly have the capacity to do what you accuse others of doing. No matter how boring you find the criticism. 

Your training reports are always appreciated, even if posters at do not agree with your player assessments etc.

As for discussion on players in general. Even if critical in nature, we're all allowed to critique and discuss anything and everything we want to in regards to the football club and if a poster doesn't wish to engage in that particular discussion, they don't have to. But if they disagree with what's being said, they have the freedom of doing so. You, however, prefer to completely disregard and disengage with the content of what's being said, and prefer to try and dictate whether or not we should be allowed to say anything at all on the subject. Like some sort of MFC-censorship agency.

M8. Keep providing your factual and informative player updates because they're great.

Let others debate and discuss the strengths and weaknesses of players like Spencer.

And everything will be rosey. 

 

 

PS. How many more posts do I need to clock-up before I'm eligible for 'Mod status'?

Edited January 25, 2017 by stevethemanjordan

[Skuit 10,031]

I second stevethemodjordan

Edited January 25, 2017 by Skuit

[Satyriconhome 10,878]

14 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

 

 

 

A serious case of "do as I say and not as I do".

 

You similarly have the capacity to do what you accuse others of doing. No matter how boring you find the criticism. 

Your training reports are always appreciated, even if posters at do not agree with your player assessments etc.

As for discussion on players in general. Even if critical in nature, we're all allowed to critique and discuss anything and everything we want to in regards to the football club and if a poster doesn't wish to engage in that particular discussion, they don't have to. But if they disagree with what's being said, they have the freedom of doing so. You, however, prefer to completely disregard and disengage with the content of what's being said, and prefer to try and dictate whether or not we should be allowed to say anything at all on the subject. Like some sort of MFC-censorship agency.

M8. Keep providing your factual and informative player updates because they're great.

Let others debate and discuss the strengths and weaknesses of players like Spencer.

And everything will be rosey. 

 

 

PS. How many more posts do I need to clock-up before I'm eliagible for 'Mod status'?

 

17 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

 

 

 

A serious case of "do as I say and not as I do".

 

You similarly have the capacity to do what you accuse others of doing. No matter how boring you find the criticism. 

Your training reports are always appreciated, even if posters at do not agree with your player assessments etc.

As for discussion on players in general. Even if critical in nature, we're all allowed to critique and discuss anything and everything we want to in regards to the football club and if a poster doesn't wish to engage in that particular discussion, they don't have to. But if they disagree with what's being said, they have the freedom of doing so. You, however, prefer to completely disregard and disengage with the content of what's being said, and prefer to try and dictate whether or not we should be allowed to say anything at all on the subject. Like some sort of MFC-censorship agency.

M8. Keep providing your factual and informative player updates because they're great.

Let others debate and discuss the strengths and weaknesses of players like Spencer.

And everything will be rosey. 

 

 

PS. How many more posts do I need to clock-up before I'm eligible for 'Mod status'?

I never understand posters who say they find some posts/posters   insert adjective    don't read the farkin things   quite simple

[Dante 2,739]

14 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

 

I never understand posters who say they find some posts/posters   insert adjective    don't read the farkin things   quite simple

I think that's precisely what STMJ was saying to you.

 

[dazzledavey36 54,939]

1 hour ago, stevethemanjordan said:

 

 

 

A serious case of "do as I say and not as I do".

 

You similarly have the capacity to do what you accuse others of doing. No matter how boring you find the criticism. 

Your training reports are always appreciated, even if posters at do not agree with your player assessments etc.

As for discussion on players in general. Even if critical in nature, we're all allowed to critique and discuss anything and everything we want to in regards to the football club and if a poster doesn't wish to engage in that particular discussion, they don't have to. But if they disagree with what's being said, they have the freedom of doing so. You, however, prefer to completely disregard and disengage with the content of what's being said, and prefer to try and dictate whether or not we should be allowed to say anything at all on the subject. Like some sort of MFC-censorship agency.

M8. Keep providing your factual and informative player updates because they're great.

Let others debate and discuss the strengths and weaknesses of players like Spencer.

And everything will be rosey. 

 

 

PS. How many more posts do I need to clock-up before I'm eligible for 'Mod status'?

Brilliantly well put.

Bravo Steve.