Darcy Moore leverage

[TGR 1,367]

According to Quayle this morning, we could force Collingwood to use pick 8 on Moore by bidding with the Frawley pick on him.

Surely, this will come into play with Clark, O'Brien, Lumumba, and anything else.

Collingwood need to massage us a little bit I think.

[SaberFang 7,151]

I think there's another 3 clubs that would bid on him anyway? They were always planning on using a first rounder as far as I've read. He's worthy of a top 5 pick.

[Demon_JB 1,385]

We wouldn't force bid him.. All the other clubs after us might though.

Edited September 15, 2014 by juzzk1d

[binman 43,764]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-darcy-moore-dilemma-for-collingwood-20140915-10h86f.html

[Uncle Fester 2,848]

Is he going to be worth the pick we bid for him? He'd want to be, because if we bluffed and were called on it he'd be our pick 2 or 3 (I'm fuzzy on whether a compo pick can be used or not).

So the question is whether we think he'd be worth the pick or not. If he is then go for it. If he isn't then spending big to get a player we never really wanted at that priced just to spread around some butt hurt is playing with fire.

[FarNorthernD 5,861]

Wouldn't the higher placed teams - Hawks, Freo, Cats - are more likely to bid if they rated Moore in the top dozen players? It is a no lose situation for them; either forces a major competitor to use their first round pick or they get a player they rank above what they would get for their own pick at 15~17.

[Go the Biff 3,442]

Wouldn't the higher placed teams - Hawks, Freo, Cats - are more likely to bid if they rated Moore in the top dozen players? It is a no lose situation for them; either forces a major competitor to use their first round pick or they get a player they rank above what they would get for their own pick at 15~17.

No. A rival club nominating forces you to use your next pick. So a club finishing higher than Collingwood can only force Moore into the second round

Clubs finishing below Collingwood, therefore with earlier picks in the draft can nominate him with their first round selection forcing the Pies to use theirs

I suspect any hope they had of Moore slipping to the second round evaporated in his last game. He put himself firmly on the radar if he wasn't already

[FarNorthernD 5,861]

Yes, of course, you are right. Apologies brain turned to mush

[ChaserJ 5,157]

If we nominated him, I would hope it would be because we are comfortable in taking him if Collingwood choose not to match.

On what I’ve seen, I’d be more than comfortable in taking him with an additional first round pick, not so sure if we only hold pick 2 going into bidding.

I think on ability Moore is right up there with the other highly rated talls, and probably shows a bit more competitiveness than Wright.

Coming into the season there were a number of people who rated Moore as the best player in this year’s pool. Others have crept past, but he could still end up being the best of the lot. Did play pretty well for Collingwood’s VFL side when he had the chance too.

That said, I’d be incredibly surprised if we commit a high pick to an untried young key position player.

[chook fowler 19,549]

According to Quayle this morning, we could force Collingwood to use pick 8 on Moore by bidding with the Frawley pick on him.

Surely, this will come into play with Clark, O'Brien, Lumumba, and anything else.

Collingwood need to massage us a little bit I think.

We should insist on a happy ending.

[Little Goffy 14,639]

The main reason people duck and weave in city traffic is because they are frustrated, stuck in a tedious flow, and feeling like they have no control of the situation.

All those lane jumps and bursts of accelerating and breaking hardly make a difference to their actual time of arrival, they just give back some feeling that you are the one making decisions and in control of your environment.

Thinking of the Moore F/S bidding as 'leverage' drops into that same thought process.

[Supermercado 2,802]

At what point does Eddie come out and threaten to pull the pin on Queen's Birthday like he did when we tried to pinch their recruiter.

[Moonshadow 17,677]

Not a chance the Pies won't take him at 8.

Not sure if we can bid a compo pick on him. I thought the bidding was based upon each selection round order, not additional picks put in as compo.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,299]

At what point does Eddie come out and threaten to pull the pin on Queen's Birthday like he did when we tried to pinch their recruiter.

"You will take Lumumba for Clark or you can play GWS & Gold Coast Sunday twilight for the next decade" sounds legit

[Nascent 9,283]

Not a chance the Pies won't take him at 8.

Not sure if we can bid a compo pick on him. I thought the bidding was based upon each selection round order, not additional picks put in as compo.

You're right, we can't use compo picks at F/S bidding. Compo picks are allocated a week after the F/S bidding meet takes place. I think what she was driving at is if we were to have picks 2 & 3, then we could bid on him with P2 knowing we have P3 (compo) to still take the next best player if Collingwood don't match it. We won't be bidding on him.

[Ted Lasso 19,549]

If we nominate pick 2 for Moore, Collingwood will call our bluff and we miss out on a better player.

[jabberwocky 2,301]

If we nominate pick 2 for Moore, Collingwood will call our bluff and we miss out on a better player.

Unless we think he is the best player avaialable.

[RalphiusMaximus 6,088]

According to Quayle this morning, we could force Collingwood to use pick 8 on Moore by bidding with the Frawley pick on him.

Surely, this will come into play with Clark, O'Brien, Lumumba, and anything else.

Collingwood need to massage us a little bit I think.

Not quite.

SHe says "Melbourne could bid, especially if the Demons believe they will score a second top-five pick for free agent James Frawley." This is not to say that we'd be bidding our Frawley comp, although it's functionally the same thing. She's saying if we had pick three in the bag as well then we could bid pick 2 on him and still get the second best player in the daft with pick 3.

In all honesty, I think it could almost be worth doing, especially if the Pies wind up with Mitch. A little bit of revenge for them poaching a key forward from us. We would then use the other pick to grab either Petracca or Brayshaw, depending on who is taken by the Saints.

[TheoX 1,222]

In all honesty, I think it could almost be worth doing, especially if the Pies wind up with Mitch. A little bit of revenge for them poaching a key forward from us. We would then use the other pick to grab either Petracca or Brayshaw, depending on who is taken by the Saints.

No way, unless we rate him the 2nd best player in the draft. Dogs or Carltank will bid anyway, he's rated around their picks, and they both need KPF's, its low risk for them,

Edited September 16, 2014 by TheoX

[DeeSpencer 26,081]

No way, unless we rate him the 2nd best player in the draft. Dogs or Carltank will bid anyway, he's rated around their picks, and they both need KPF's, its low risk for them,

Depends. If we get pick 3 for Frawley that pushes Dogs and Carlton to 6 and 7 respectively and Collingwood to 9. At 6 or 7 then I think one of those clubs bid.

If we don't get 3 for Frawley then the dogs are at pick 5. They might look at the draft thinking - Petracca, Brayshaw if one other midfielder or tall defender goes before McCartin or Wright then they have a shot at one of them and don't want to be locked in to Moore. Carlton might be working a Kristian Jaksch trade and might need pick 6 involved in that. You never know.

The way I see it is this whole article from Quayle (and she mentions it at one stage) is about Collingwood putting out negative vibes on Moore to try and get teams to panic and not nominate him.

Even if they get Mitch Clark I don't see them skipping on Moore at 8 or 9, but they are trying very hard to get him through to the second round.

[Bang Bang Bang 5,839]

In all honesty, I think it could almost be worth doing, especially if the Pies wind up with Mitch. A little bit of revenge for them poaching a key forward from us. We would then use the other pick to grab either Petracca or Brayshaw, depending on who is taken by the Saints.

I hope we're not silly enough to do this out of spite.

[whatwhat say what 22,947]

personally, would love this kid.

someone who watches all this sort of stuff rates him the second best player in the under 18s this year, just behind petracca.

son of a gun, and a brownlow medallist at our club, to boot.

what did he miss out on being available to us by, about 13 games?

[Bluey's Dad 3,419]

personally, would love this kid.

someone who watches all this sort of stuff rates him the second best player in the under 18s this year, just behind petracca.

son of a gun, and a brownlow medallist at our club, to boot.

what did he miss out on being available to us by, about 13 games?

Didn't we already have one of those? Tom Couch?

Worked out splendidly.

[Whispering_Jack 30,669]

I think the suggestion that we get involved in the bidding over Darcy Moore to get an edge over Collingwood is repugnant. The likelihood is that someone with picks 5 to 7 is going to nominate him anyway because he's a genuine top 5 prospect but if we play that game, we deserve to have someone come under us and force us to use pick 21 or whatever on Billy Stretch.

Craig Cameron always said that the clubs that played funny b@@@ers just for the sake of it would always end up with egg on their face when they really wanted to do business at the trade table and I don't recommend we get involved in that sort of thing over the son of someone who was, after all a former player who won a Brownlow Medal at this club.

[ChaserJ 5,157]

personally, would love this kid.

someone who watches all this sort of stuff rates him the second best player in the under 18s this year, just behind petracca.

son of a gun, and a brownlow medallist at our club, to boot.

what did he miss out on being available to us by, about 13 games?

Think Peter played 77 games for Melbourne, so 23 games short of qualifying Darcy as a F/S.

I’d definitely have Darcy in the mix for the top 5 if he was available in an open draft, so personally would be happy to bid if we were taking two picks inside the top 5 to the draft.

Think it’ll be a moot point though.

Collingwood have been set on Moore for a while. I believe they passed on Stewart a couple of years back with an eye forward to Moore’s availability this year. Pie fans have been complaining about drafting midgets in recent years (Grundy aside obviously) , but Hine has been pretty careful about how they’ve gone about building the next generation of Pies. With Freeman, Scharenberg & Moore to join Grundy, Kennedy, Adams, Langdon & Broomhead they should be pretty excited about their young core going forward.