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I was there for 1 hr. Very windy conditions. Pruess - not convinced he will play this week, trained away from main group and left track early, taking 1 handed chest marks as to not favour his crook shoulder. May, Lever, Bradkte, Maynard - trained away from main group. AVB, Hannan, KK - not sighted. Lewis, Lockhart, Jetta - all trained fully and are available for selection, Lewis looked good. Sparrow stood out to me in match simulation, was in everything... ANB was training hard also.

Sorry, I just can't abide that comment. Ablett and Buddy loved their clubs, had played for them for 8-10 years and helped them win multiple premierships. Both highly respected inside and outside their clubs. No comparison to HWSMBN who played for a year then had a dubious knee injury. He made it obvious he did not want to play in the red and blue, didn't get on with teammates, walked out on a trip to China and showed no respect for our club, President or fans. No prodigal son scenario for him at the Dees, imv!

His contract will get sorted. It's not worth being up in arms about nothing. The club will pay him what he's worth and he'll accept. He'll also become a very good player. Clearly a 20 odd game key tall forward isn't playing his best footy at 21. And he wasn't at Casey when he was a teenager. I'm glad he's now getting continuum in the seniors. It will only help him develop.

I saw Hamnan, AVB and JKH in Edwins I thought Chandler shone today in the drills I thought the kicking in the windy conditions was really good One frightening bit was Petty, they were doing a defensive spoiling drill involving a couple of bags, McCartney shouted 'crash it' as Petty approached the second bag, he did, he spoiled but then did a complete 360 in the air over the bag, which collapsed underneath him He landed face down but bounced straight up, I think the accompanying laughter from everyone was more nervous relief than anything

As discussed in tonight's podcast, on demonwiki.org we've been compiling a list of all the MFC connected players who served in wars as well as the better known list of those who made the ultimate sacrifice. This stretches from the Boer War to the Korean War, and is very much a work in progress so if anyone can shed more light on the service of the players listed below please get in contact via the forum or [email protected]. Fortunately the format copies perfectly from the page (http://demonwiki.org/Players+who+served+during+war) to this forum, so here's the list. The * denotes a non-senior player (e.g. from a lower grade or trained with us without playing a game). A particularly interesting story is the Couve brothers, who both trialled in the 1912 pre-season but didn't play a game and were struck down just 15 days apart during the Gallipoli landings. Players who died during war First World War Player Date Location Jim Bonelli 24 May, 1918 France Cliff Burge 14 August 1918 Villers-Bretonneux, France Alan Couve 26 April 1915* Gallipoli, Turkey Henry Couve 8 May 1915* Gallipoli, Turkey Jack Doubleday 30 October 1918 Indian Ocean Bill Fischer 15 October 1917 Belgium [censored] Gibbs 19 July 1916* France Albert Gourlay 1 November 1918 England Mal Kennedy 2 January 1918 Belgium Frank Lugton 29 July 1916 Villers-Bretonneux, France Jim Mackie 20 March, 1917 Bapaume, France Bill Maxwell 12 October 1917 Passchendaele, Belgium Fen McDonald 25 April 1915 Gallipoli, Turkey Alick Ogilvie 18 August 1915 Malta Leo Rankin 10 May 1917 Wareham, United Kingdom Joe Pearce 25 April 1915 Gallipoli, Turkey Harold Rippon 16 January 1917 France Percy Rodriguez 20 March 1917 The Somme, France Bobby Royle 3 November 1916 France Alexander Salton 10 September 1916 France Alf Williamson 11 April, 1917 Bullecourt, France Second World War Player Date Location Sid Anderson May 20, 1944 Wewak, New Guinea Jack Atkins March 1, 1942 Sunda Strait, off Java Harold Ball February 9, 1942 Singapore Ron Barassi Sr July 31, 1941 Tobruk, Libya Laurie Brady 1 May 1944 Melbourne, Victoria Noel Ellis July 6, 1942 Queensland John Fraser June 1944* Canadian Rockies Clyde Helmer April 24, 1945 Aitapi, New Guinea Derek Mollison 19 December 1943 Rockhampton Ted Regan July 9, 1943 over Burma Beres Reilly July 23, 1943 over Crete Archie Roberts June 6, 1945 Ambon, Dutch East Indies Charles Stewart June 1942* former seconds player - killed in an aircraft accident A. Strang August 1942 Seconds player Keith Truscott March 28, 1943 accident at Exmouth Gulf, Western Australia Barney Wood June 9, 1941 Litani River, Syria Other players who served (List in development) Boer War Player Branch/Unit Jim Conquest Army (5th Victorian Mounted Rifles) Jack Godby Army Jack McIntosh Army Hugh Purse Army Lionel Smale Army First World War Player Branch/Unit Mick Anthony Army Charlie Armstrong Army Alexander Bennie Army Arthur Best Army (58th Battalion) Bob Bodington Army (10th Field Ambulance) Campbell Brady Army Laurie Brady Army (Australian Postal Corps) Jack Brake Army (8th Field Artillery Brigade) Jack Bristow Army (6th Battalion) Harry Britter Army (31st Battalion) Frank Brown Army Harry Bruce Army/Flying Corps Bill Brunier Army Claude Bryan Army Eddie Byers Army (44th Battalion) Bruce Campbell Army E. Canale Unknown Jack Cannan Army Bert Chadwick Flying Corps Eric Chisholm Army Graham Colclough Army Tim Collins Army (39th Battalion) Jack Connole Army Bob Corbett Army (29th Battalion) John Corby Army (54th Battalion and 5/29th Infantry Regiment) Edward Cordner Army (6th Australian Field Ambulance) Harry Cordner British Army Harry Cox Army (6/46th Infantry Regiment) Vic Cumberland Army (32nd Battalion) Frank Cummins Navy Peter Crystal Army* Vern Daniel Army Ernest Denton Army Eric Dimsey Army Fred Elliott Army (3rd Pioneer Battalion) Reg Ellis Army Bill Elston Army (39th Battalion) Alec Farrow Army (29th Battalion) Bill Fawcett Army (4th Machine Gun Company) Jack Evans Army Bill Flintoft Army (57th Battalion) [censored] Fowler Army Alex Fraser Army (10th Machine-Gun Company) Vin Gardiner Army (38th Refts. GSG) Mark Gardner British Army Alf George Army (Railway Division) Charlie Goding Army (Base Records Corp) Vic Gordon Army Archie Grigg Army (Signal Engineers 2nd Division) Henry Hagenauer Army George Haines Army (Sea Transport Staff) Johnny Hassett Army Cedric Hay British Army Bill Hendrie Army (59th Battalion) Phil Hosking Army Phil Hunt Army (3rd Pioneer Battalion) Frank Hurrey Army Syd Hutcheson Army (29th Battalion) Billy Irwin Army Les Irwin Army (13th Light Horse Regiment) Edwin Jenkyn Army (4th Battalion) Norm Jordan Army Arthur Kirk Army Clarrie Lethlean Army Charlie Lilley Army Leo Little Army and Flying Corps Fred Long Army (3rd Light Horse Field Ambulance) Frank Longden (pre-VFL) Army Medical Corps Rupe Lowell Army (18th AASC) Aubrey MacKenzie Army Charlie Mackay Medical Corps (British Army) Les MacPherson Flying Corps Jim Makin Army (9/21st Battalion) George Martin Army Frank McCooey Army Bill McCulloch Army Bill McIntyre Army (46th Battalion) Bill McKeone Army George McNeilage Army Algy Millhouse Army (32nd Battalion) Les Mitchell Army Bobby Monk Army George Moodie Army Jim Moore Army Vern Moore Army Bert Morris Army Harry Moyes Army Aubrey Neal Army Jack Nicholson Army Joe O'Carroll Army (37th Battalion) Hughie Odgers Army Basil Onyons Army Roy Park Army (5th Field Ambulance Unit) Bert Parke Army (16th General Service Reinforcements) Eric Parsons Army (22nd Battalion and 7th Australian Light Trench Mortar Battery) Laurie Paul Army Robert Ramsay Army Frank Richardson Army Harold Riggall Army Herbert Roberts Army Vern Rowe Army Tom Sadlier Army Albert Salkeld (Pre-VFL) Medical Corps Alex Salvado Army Jack Sheehan Army* Arthur Slater Army* Harry Smith Army* Tom Soutar Unknown* Cyril Steele Army Bill Stone Unknown* Wilfred Stott Army (8th Light Horse Regiment)* Charlie Streeter Army (8th Light Horse Regiment) Enos Thomas Army (8th Light Horse Regiment) Ted Thomas Army Hedley Tomkins Army (28th Battalion) Albert Treeby Army (12th Training Battalion and 46th Battalion)* Les Wallace Army Ivor Warne-Smith Army Jack Watt Army (Motor Transport Corps) Jack West Army (7th Infantry Battalion) Fred Whelpton Army (15th Australian Machine Gun Company) Reg Woodhouse Army Second World War Player Branch/Unit Aitken Army* A. Anderson Army* JC Ashdown Air Force* Bill Baxter Army (32nd Battalion) Des Bell Army George Bickford Navy Tony Bizacca Army Billy Blair Army (Postal Corps) Laurie Brady Army Jack Brake Army Arnold Byfield Army (5 Garrison Battalion and 2/11 Australian Infantry Battalion) Bruce Campbell Army Bert Chadwick RAAF Percy Cheffers Army* Lance Collins Army* (53 Australian Bulk Issues Petroleum and Oil Depot Platoon) Jack Compton Army John Corby Army (Various regiments) Denis Cordner Navy Don Cordner Navy Ted Cordner Navy Peter Cox Air Force* Bill Cutler Army C Cuttriss Unknown* Stan Dalley RAAF* Johnny Dalton Army (Land Headquarters Signals) Gerry Daly Army (7th Australian Infantry Battalion) Len Dockett Army (14/32nd Battalion) Jack Doherty Army (1n Ordnance) Harcourt Dowsley Army* Adrian Dullard Army (15th Field Ambulance) Roy Eliason Air Force* Dave Elliman Army Richie Emselle Army Owen Evans Army* Clive Fairbairn Army* Tom Ferguson Air Force Rowley Fischer Army (15th Field Ambulance) Bob Furler Air Force* Col Galbraith Navy Maurie Gibb Army (1n Ordnance) Les Gibbs Air Force Ian Giles Air Force Eric Glass Air Force Ray Grattridge Air Force* Ossie Green Army A. Greenaway Air Force* J. Griggs Army* Tom Guest Unknown * Ron Hall Army Frank Hanna Air Force Jack Heal Navy Stan Heal Navy Doug Heywood Air Force [censored] Hingston Army (15th Field Ambulance) Pat Hjorth Air Force* Don Hooper Army (Pay Corps) Bill Hulme Air Force* Syd Hutcheson Army (Southern Command AASC) Arthur Irvine Unknown* Gordon Jones Army Les Jones Air Force Les Jones (non-senior player) Army Ray Jones Navy GM Josua Unknown* Frank Kennedy Army Joe Kinnear Army (1n Ordnance) Allan La Fontaine Army/Air Force George Lenne Air Force B. Lindsay Army Wally Lock Army Harry Long Army John Lord Army (Transportation Branch) Mick Maguire British Army Jack Maher Air Force Jack McDonald Air Force* Shane McGrath Army Col McLean Navy Les Meade Navy Keith Molloy Unknown Bill Morris Army* (2nd Motor Division) Jack Mueller Army Laurence Muir Navy* Jim Munday Air Force* Bob Murray Navy* Don Nichols Air Force* D. Nissen Unknown* Danny Powell Air Force Jack Quinn Army Les Reeves Army R. Reid Navy* Alby Rodda Air Force Harry Salmon Army* Frank Scanlan Navy Ralph Shalless Air Force C. Smith Unknown* Len Smith Air Force Don Stewart Army* Bob Stone Navy Derek Symonds Army K. Taylor Unknown* Len Toyne Air Force Cliff Tyson Army Bill Vanthoff Air Force Darcy Walsh Air Force Ivor Warne-Smith Army Ron White Army Douglas Wight Navy* Colin Wilcox Air Force* Frank Williams Air Force Mac Wilson Army Mike Woods Navy Korean War Player Branch/Unit Geoff Collins Air Force

Give him time. He's had only 2 games with us and hasn't played much footy over the last couple of years. Will get a mix of Casey and senior games this season (injuries permitting). Was a sensation in his 2nd year, that ability doesn't just disappear. Only a fool would write him off at this stage

Well talking is the main form of communication ?

Why would you want a player that doesn't train? He's finished.

Yes how else was he going to answer the questions?

Agree it will get done, but it may be for a shorter period say 2 years and at less money. That will allow him to back himself in for improvement.

Buddy is not a team, he is an individual. Individuals don't win Premiership Cups ... they just draw in crowds. ... and they cost too much from the cap.

Looking unlikely Preuss will get up, and it's probably better to get him 100% right for the Tigers (if possible). I think Keilty gets a crack, by all reports he deserves it.

We should've hired Wallace as a consultant and flooded the 2000 granny. ?

Thank you, that’s an incredible resource, and more interesting (and perhaps more important) than all the pomp and ceremony associated with ANZAC Day football.

I'm convinced the talk around Scully was all a smokescreen. Kennett has taught every one at Hawthorn politspeak. We were told Scully would be lucky to play at all this year, his injury was so grave he may never return, Hawthorn were looking long term, blah, blah. Lo and behold, he has been playing since Round 2. It's a miracle! Win, win for Hawthorn. They got a bargain, and praise for the expertise of their medical/fitness team/programs. What a load of codswallop.

If the Preuss goal was kicked by Betts it would have been nominated.

Would not play Kielty would rather go with smaller forward line on rotations Jeffy, Lockhart et al as Aints have plenty of runners!

We will be signing a few from this talent pool https://www.melbournefc.com.au/video/2019-04-17/2019-father-sondaughter-day

AFL Player Salaries Based on the table in the article the median is between $300k and $400k. A fair chance that it is around the average of approx $360. I don't think we have a player over $800k so a few of our champs are being paid 'unders'. I recall Lewis giving the players a pep talk a few years ago that if they want the ultimate success they need to grow together so can't be asking top dollar. So far players seem to have been paying attention. As and aside, supporters have a tendency to overstate what player x might actually be earning. Only 140 of 703 players earnt more than $500k.

IMO, buddy likes the curtain around Sydney. He gets to do his stuff in relative anonymity. I don't think its he who wants to leave Sydney. . Each time WE, or others, takes a way too highly payed player off the Swans books, it will come back to hurt us, as it frees up the Swans to go spend on younger players we should be after. . Let them wallow in their own Buddy debt. .

@Dee Zephyr @Wadda We Sing @binman I'll post here occasionally during the off-season (May thru to September) but am going to be very busy at work for the next 2 or 3 months anyway ... may not do a best bet as I'm not sure I'll have the time to identify a standout. But all the best if you're having a dabble!

I think its bloody embarrassing that people are saying we're a window club etc. As far as I'm concerned, this concerned we've been hammered by port, hammered by geelong, beaten by essendon. And it's only round 4. This attitude by the fans that we are somewhat a powerhouse club is embarrassing and probably rubbed off on the players too . I'd take buddy in a flash for the right price.

Sydney put up a dodgy TEN year deal to get Buddy. No club, NO club should help them out. Let them bear the consequences. And if Sydney are trying to get rid of Buddy, ask St.Kilda what sort of condition Hannebury was in when the Swans traded him out.

I fully expect a Mick Warner article postulating that we're tanking in order to get our hands on a prize rookie.

The old club would have gone for an overweight, overpaid hasbeen. Not now surely.

Come on, he barracked for us when he was a kid growing up... No.

If we paid $600k a season and Swans the rest.

NO

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True. Sort off. The bookies set the initial price. this is tru of all betting markets. The punters then impact that price up or down depending on the money they punt. The bookies had as favorites asin thier considered assesmsnt (based on not wanting to lose money) they think we will win.

he kicks 80 goals a year he'll be on riewoldt, cameron, and franklin level! with the way we're playing and bringing the ball i50, two goals a game average would be very solid, but most importantly is that weed is continuing to impact play on a regular and consistent basis charlie curnow is on over $800k a year; ben brown is on somewhere similar after originally being mooted as possibly earning up to $1m a season, signed up to the end of 2020 - when i believe he'll be one year short of a free agent but pre-agency may become a possibility for brown at the end of this season if the the kangaroos are still average to poor-ish

Probably the most relevant thing above all. Best we keep it simple and do just this !! ?

All reasonable, admittedly. Trying to play the Devil's Advocate, a little, as I myself regard 1-2 games - albeit finals - of good performance yet still cameo performance, as not quite enough given the home-and-away games in which he played yet we lost due to a lack of firepower and continued initiative. If he re-signs and improves reliability, performances and contribution, I'd be happy to have him on-board, still.

Money-hungry moron. Good riddance. Excellent comment from Bluey's dad. "Free speech" is a pretty fluid concept, I suppose. We've all got our own interpretation of what it means. Nobody's throwing him in jail - he's just disobeyed a clear instruction given to him by his employer. I've worked with plenty of employer's conditions - always worked within them or paid the consequences. I've noticed this a bit from the hard-right snowflakes of late - (see Anning, F) - dare to interrupt the flow of their vile bile and you're impinging upon their 'free-speech.'

Otherwise known as "rat cunning" DG. Something the MFC seems to lack but must find at the trade/draft table.

He's the only KPF on the market. The disappointing thing is that the manager seems to be happy putting figures into the media. I suspect Tom Mac's negotiation last year was just as difficult but at least it wasn't a potentially destabilising media saga. After years of the Hogan drama I suspect most MFC supporters are over such things. MFC are in the box seat.... just wait another 6 weeks and decide. Form will tell. For many of us who have watched Sam at VFL level for several years he is by no means a certainty.

If the clubs I mentioned want a replacement for a tall fwd there are a limited number available, so I don't agree they need a reality check. Regarding Sam's performance/potential, I'm not sure who you might be comparing him to. I compare him to other tall players in his draft year: Hipwood leads the field for consistently good performance but he wasn't available and may end up being the pick of the crop. Curnow is getting a lot of kudos but he has stalled this year. All have had fluctuating performances as has Sam. None of the draftees have stood up in a big game like Sam did in the finals. imv he is as good if not better than most of his peers. I have little doubt when Hawks, Cats, Pies, Ess, Sydney go hunting for a fwd they will look at that pool. What other choices do they have? I don't wish to buy into what Sam's $ worth as Mahoney has great control over our salary cap and keeping players. But we supporters shouldn't underestimate that he would be in demand.

Don't know why we are such clear favourites. We've played maybe 2.5 good quarters all year whereas Saints have played consistent without setting the world on fire. Should be a close game. Could go either way imo.

Yeah, sounds like a guy who came third in last year’s Brownlow. Also sounds a little like a certain co-captain that many wanted moved on early in his career (probably the same softcox that want him moved on now... or at least up until last Friday).

Are you sure about that? I thought the oft-quoted Motorola research of the 1980s (or 1970s?) said the opposite. That is, the easiest sell is the repeat sell. That research is the fundamental reason why car manufacturers have developed sophisticated long-term warranty and service plans for new cars. Their view is that a satisfied customer is the easiest person to sell a new (replacement) product to.

and about half of his current salary which is over $1.2m a year key forwards are the big earners in the competition weid has the hallmarks of being a ripper player - he competes in the air and at ground level, tackles, and is a fantastic kick in the grand scheme of salary cap management, $650k a year is not huge money these days tbh

Sorry BB understand to a point but Hawthorn is the best example. They are the best model as they have developed their membership from small to larger an powerful. Your realism is based on years of negativity ( or lack of faith or vision) and our poor record over a period of years. We need to embrace the probable 7,000 increase this year we don't know what the season holds and a flag or sustained success will garner more fans. Sure as hell if you gave your view if you were Gary Pert the members or fans there would be no way you would get any increase. A goal gives an aim and it was never stated this year would be that year. Jim Stynes wanted 40,000 around 2011/12 and look now probably 10,000/14,000 more. We need faith and optism and not sorry (negativity) and in our Society there will always be both but the half glass full approach wins every time. We have the opportunity to start making the MCG a fortress let's do all in our power to make that happen.

In fairness that is a throwback from an era where our VFL team would probably beat our AFL team.

Well we will have to wait and see what eventuates over the next 3 to 5 years, I am confident that the club is finally on the right track.

Likes the fake tough stuff more than the real stuff and often uses the ball like he's drunk. Rushes in to contests and rushes his disposal, both traits that aren't particularly suited to the wing or half back. I can't see him being worth the price. The Swans or Saints can have him. It won't be easy to find a perfect outside runner, they aren't easy to come by, but I still think we can do better than Zak. Ed Langdon would be nice, skills aren't great but he's a more natural outside runner, unfortunately he's started the year in good form and might become costly.

??? a Rodney Grinter ?

The cap was our matchwinner. Slotted two crucial, momentum shifting goals in the second and then had the calmness to kick the sealer in the last. Full votes from me.

It's not hysterical to be realistic. That we are somewhat advanced numbers wise this year is only a reflection of the carry over effect of last season. Well probably end up with about 55 K this season which is certainly not shabby for a bunch of skiers. Also a reality is if we don't play finals this year then the momentum will stop ( for now ) and you'll struggle to repeat this year's figures. Why ? Because people are people and money is money. Off-field membership is effectively a barometer of of on-field success. Ask anyone in sales...the hardest sell is the repeat sell.

Gee, he's only been out of the side one week.

Jesse Hogan doesn't have mongrel but he will be a bloody good forward for many years to come. I genuinely believe Weideman has the potential to emulate the same way Josh Kennedy career has. I love the way Kennedy goes about his business. He's not the mongrel forward like a Carey or Brereton, but it doesn't stop him crashing into packs and using his solid frame to his advantage. Something Weideman will start to realise once he fills out.