Trade Targets

[Young Blood 2,586]

40 minutes ago, Palace Dees said:

Serious question. He has ties to both WA and SA, and has been linked to both states. He has a 5 month old baby now which puts a different slant on things, as many of us will appreciate.  He has stated he's homesick, but where is home?  If he states either/or, I would be less sympathetic.

At the moment his partner who is from Darwin is very happy with her current job and life here in Melbourne. Apparently Kozzy has expressed he would one day like to move up to Darwin. I think I heard if there was a Darwin AFL club he'd be keen to play there one day, but that was just a comment.

To answer your question, home is where family is. I'd imagine one of Eyre Peninsula in SA or Quairading in WA. For now he has his little family and sister here in Melbourne with all the support from the team and is signed on until the end of 2027. The homesick thing is blown out by media, he's probably mentioned a few times in front of supporters which media will run with as him expressing wanting to leave. Its not going to go away unfortunately.

Apart from supporting his family and perhaps looking to sign more indigenous players which Koz would like, there's not much more the club can do. I'm sure getting back into finals contention and Kozzy kicking bags in front of bigger crowds (hopefully!) will go a long way too.

Edited September 29 by Young Blood

[KozzyCan 764]

36 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

This 'pie in the sky' idea would have to mean we've been in his ear all year, and he wants out but hasn't told anyone, I do agree with you there. 

Edit: Just saying we absolutely have to chase something big if we will ever entertain trading Pickett or Tracc this year!

For the most part the big godfather deals are organised about 12 months out and more often than not get into the media early on.

One of the reasons a Trac deal simply couldn't be done is because it was far too late for most clubs to figure out how they could find $1.5m on a cap that has a 90% floor, then they still have to make a deal that satisfies us. Look out for Victorian clubs stocking up on early futures this off-season though.

Kozzy would be an easier prospect for most clubs but still difficult for Freo, who will be putting a lot of their chips into Shai Bolton and possibly Liam Baker. Eagles might be able to get it done but again unless there is a homesick Victorian rebuilding sides tend not to give away their good young players. On top of that player for player trades are pretty rare. You can essentially do a three way trade by on-trading the picks you get from one club to another club for their player.

So far we haven't seen any Big Fish being reported as being connected with us except for Houston which has gone cold.

I'd feel worse about Kozzy leaving than Trac but if he does it will be for picks.

But honestly if either of them leave the writing will be on the wall with this group and we should be putting everything into the draft to find our next generation anyway.

Edited September 29 by KozzyCan

[DeeSpencer 25,477]

2 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

flagmantle are using all their picks to bring in bolton and, if they can, baker from the tigs

If they locked in those two as 3rd and 4th mids to Young and Serong and then backed one of their big bodied young mids (Johnson, Erasmus, Simpson) to develop as defensive midfield cover they'd be in the perfect position to make an aggressive Andy Brayshaw for Pickett trade.

That kind of straight swap would be ridiculed by the dream team players in the media but in terms of impact on games it's about the right value, especially with how loaded Freo's midfield could be.

I can't see Melbourne accepting anything less.

[Elwood 3184 1,298]

Every AFL club’s targets, exits and picks to use in deals — Mega trade state of play

 

[picket fence 17,056]

On 24/09/2024 at 16:37, spirit of norm smith said:

It’s a bull rush.  Houston now available.  Peatling definitely testing the market.  Derksen chooses Dees.  Parfitt now delisted.  

Though I think the Dees can only really bring in max 2-3 players from other clubs   Want to keep 4 picks in this years draft 

Yes to Houston but at what price … who and how ? How could clubs afford him ??? 

Yes to Peatling (if he was to leave GWS and we can beat the other 5 clubs in the offer) . Four year deal.  Wow he’s pushed up the rankings this year.  Best offer is future 2025 2nd round to GWS  It’s a battle !!! 

Yes probably to Parfitt (delisted free agent). Does he have the motivation to work hard ?

Yes to Derksen. Given he’s played zero games, Dees would offer pick 60 to start. Probably be fair enough   

Not that keen but a possible maybe to:

Tim Membrey (swap for Tomlinson)

Matt Owies 

Matt Kennedy 

No to … Macrae, Daniel, Ross, Taberner, Cerra, Ladhams, Jack Martin, Marchbank, Hind, Sam Day , Rosas (jnr),  Haynes, Stringer, Darling, Jernaine Jones, Tom Campbell, Soldo

Agree with all this, Owies, Membrey,and Kennedy would all be in our best 23!

[Demonsone 2,036]

2 hours ago, Elwood 3184 said:

Every AFL club’s targets, exits and picks to use in deals — Mega trade state of play

 

Early days yet but we don’t seem to be in the mix for the bigger name players & not discounting the ones we are supposedly looking at who have all been delisted.. these trades are critical & you only need to look at what the lions weee able to bring in 

[demoniac 1,330]

3 hours ago, picket fence said:

Agree with all this, Owies, Membrey,and Kennedy would all be in our best 23!

None of the 3 exactly improve our speed and spread...

[Adam The God 30,128]

2 minutes ago, demoniac said:

None of the 3 exactly improve our speed and spread...

Speed and spread is a coaching and fitness thing.

If we added numbers to the stoppage, we'll look quicker.

I'd also like Jagga Smith if he's available, for this reason too.

[dazzledavey36 54,285]

Someone post the Melbourne section?

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/the-ultimate-club-by-club-preview-for-the-afl-trade-period-20240925-p5kda1.html

[djr 1,433]

5 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Someone post the Melbourne section?

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/the-ultimate-club-by-club-preview-for-the-afl-trade-period-20240925-p5kda1.html

Melbourne

2024 record: 14th (11-12). List manager: Tim Lamb. Who’s gone? Angus Brayshaw (retired), Ben Brown (retired), Kyah Farris-White (delisted), Josh Schache (delisted). Out of contract: Marty Hore, Joel Smith, Adam Tomlinson. Current draft picks: 5, 37 (tied to Sydney), 45 (tied to St Kilda), 50 (tied to Western Bulldogs), 61. On the move? Tomlinson could defect after limited senior opportunities.

 

What they need: The Demons need help for key forward Jacob van Rooyen, while the eternal hunt for ruck star Max Gawn’s successor and back-up continues. They could also do with more midfield speed and a young key defender.

Trade/free agency targets: The Demons were at the top of Dan Houston’s list before the Port Adelaide star looked elsewhere amid the Christian Petracca drama. Could they try again? Melbourne are interested in untried Giants swingman Wade Derksen and Port Adelaide tall forward Ollie Lord, and may sign journeyman ruck Tom Campbell off the AFL scrapheap. They also had a look at St Kilda’s Tim Membrey.

Draft targets: Rivals believe the Dees might snap up Petracca clone Sam Lalor at their first pick, but if not, there are certain to be plenty of good options, including key forward Harry Armstrong. – Jon Pierik

[DubDee 25,669]

2 hours ago, Adam The God said:

Speed and spread is a coaching and fitness thing.

If we added numbers to the stoppage, we'll look quicker.

I'd also like Jagga Smith if he's available, for this reason too.

no it’s not, you can’t coach raw speed

Speed of ball movement yes

 

[58er 6,393]

16 hours ago, KozzyCan said:

For the most part the big godfather deals are organised about 12 months out and more often than not get into the media early on.

One of the reasons a Trac deal simply couldn't be done is because it was far too late for most clubs to figure out how they could find $1.5m on a cap that has a 90% floor, then they still have to make a deal that satisfies us. Look out for Victorian clubs stocking up on early futures this off-season though.

Kozzy would be an easier prospect for most clubs but still difficult for Freo, who will be putting a lot of their chips into Shai Bolton and possibly Liam Baker. Eagles might be able to get it done but again unless there is a homesick Victorian rebuilding sides tend not to give away their good young players. On top of that player for player trades are pretty rare. You can essentially do a three way trade by on-trading the picks you get from one club to another club for their player.

So far we haven't seen any Big Fish being reported as being connected with us except for Houston which has gone cold.

I'd feel worse about Kozzy leaving than Trac but if he does it will be for picks.

But honestly if either of them leave the writing will be on the wall with this group and we should be putting everything into the draft to find our next generation anyway.

Agree saw in an earlier post that a poster was circling Logan McDonald who I thought was a real chance for a big KP forward. But seems as though those 3 at their age and experience need another big unit to take No 1 defenders.

Am hopeful JVR and Turner Petty and Jeffo that 2 0f those at least become real units with 50 plus goals each year. Then with a third tall plus Fritta and Kossie and another 30 plus goalkicker say AMW who I think might Be better as a forward from our list than a half back. Let’s see. 

[58er 6,393]

On 16/06/2024 at 23:57, Flag Favourites 3019 said:

Yes we need to throw money at a key forward (like Logan McDonald), a start up midfielder (like Luke Davies-Uniacle, a small forward (like Tyson Stengle) and maybe a few coaches, but we also need solid depth who can play a role. Look at Collingwood.

Get Will Brodie as midfield depth. Played for Gold Coast now Fremantle but has fallen out of favor and tearing it up in the WAFL. 26 years old. Reminds me of Luke Dunstan. https://wafl.com.au/player/will-brodie

Get Rory Lobb as ruck depth if doggies will pay some of his salary. 31 years old. Played for GWS then Fremantle now Bulldogs but has fallen out of favor (admittedly poor form AFL but good form VFL and appears better than what we have in the cupboard currently). https://vfl.aflmstats.com/player/Rory_Lobb

Not Logan Mac needs a bigger unit No 1 forward ahead of him so he gets a No 2 or 3 defender. 

[Sydee 4,379]

7 hours ago, picket fence said:

Agree with all this, Owies, Membrey,and Kennedy would all be in our best 23!

We’re going backwards if they are 

[Nascent 9,111]

1 hour ago, djr said:

Draft targets: Rivals believe the Dees might snap up Petracca clone Sam Lalor at their first pick, but if not, there are certain to be plenty of good options, including key forward Harry Armstrong. – Jon Pierik

Thanks, first bit of potential draft gossip. Lalor would be a good get, hopefully his hammies won't give him ongoing concerns.

[bing181 9,193]

7 hours ago, Demonsone said:

these trades are critical & you only need to look at what the lions weee able to bring in 

Not only did most of the key players they brought in cost first round picks (and more ...), they mostly came across when the Lions were struggling and had plenty of draft picks and salary space to play with. Not all that different to what we did with the likes of Lever and May back in the day.

Lions also managed to get some go-home picks, e.g. Charlie Cameron.

[adonski 11,836]

Afl dot com suggests we have interest in the Suns' pick 12, and that clubs are again asking the question on Clazz

[Nascent 9,111]

5 minutes ago, adonski said:

Afl dot com suggests we have interest in the Suns' pick 12, and that clubs are again asking the question on Clazz

Also mentioned we're looking at Owies. Not 100% sure how I feel about it.

Other interesting tid bit was the suggesting that battle could end up earning band two compensation which is at the end of the first round.

[Superunknown 4,214]

46 minutes ago, adonski said:

Afl dot com suggests we have interest in the Suns' pick 12, and that clubs are again asking the question on Clazz

Pick 12 as part of a Houston move ?

[adonski 11,836]

3 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

Pick 12 as part of a Houston move ?

Sounds like that ship has sailed

[Norm Smith's Curse 2,593]

Heard a funny one about Zak Butters today. Dare to dream I guess.

[dazzledavey36 54,285]

7 minutes ago, Norm Smith's Curse said:

Heard a funny one about Zak Butters today. Dare to dream I guess.

[demoncat 1,316]

12 minutes ago, Norm Smith's Curse said:

Heard a funny one about Zak Butters today. Dare to dream I guess.

Now there’s a Port player I’m trading two first rounders for 

[Nascent 9,111]

31 minutes ago, Norm Smith's Curse said:

Heard a funny one about Zak Butters today. Dare to dream I guess.

Has been some minor speculation a few years ago that Butters was considering us if Hinkley got the sack.

[Jaded No More 68,867]

1 hour ago, Norm Smith's Curse said:

Heard a funny one about Zak Butters today. Dare to dream I guess.

It’s well known that Butters refuses to settle down in Adelaide. Won’t buy a house, is not in a serious relationship etc. 

He wants to be back in Victoria one day.