POSTGAME: Rd 20 vs Richmond

[FritschyBusiness 1,455]

3 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Not sure why you named Spargo, Hibberd and Grundy as significant outs.

They're not even best 22.

Clarry and Fritsch are the only significant outs that we should worry about.

To win some big games without these two has been unreal.

I would say Goodwin would see it differently for best or ideal 22. 
A fit and in form Spargo Hibberd and Grundy over Chandler, Bowey and JVR.
Sparrow over Woewodin
Clarry over JJ and Fritsch for Melksham. 

We are quite off our ideal 22, that's without considering Brown and Tmac.

What a brilliant list we have. 

Edited July 31, 2023 by FritschyBusiness
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[demon3165 1,971]

23 minutes ago, Stevienic23 said:

Did this get picked up by the cameras? Which qtr/minute mark? 

Haven't watched the reply what quarter?

[layzie 29,052]

Meet the robots 

[dazzledavey36 48,901]

5 minutes ago, FritschyBusiness said:

I would say Goodwin would see it differently for best or ideal 22. 
A fit and in form Spargo Hibberd and Grundy over Chandler, Bowey and JVR.
Sparrow over Woewodin
Clarry over JJ and Fritsch for Melksham. 

We are quite off our ideal 22, that's without considering Brown and Tmac.

What a brilliant list we have. 

What??

So you genuinely think the coaching department prefer Spargo, Hibberd and Grundy as better fit then Chandler, Bowey and JVR?

Nah, that's just laughable now.

 

Edited July 31, 2023 by dazzledavey36

[Pennant St Dee 11,324]

9 hours ago, hardtack said:

Yet reading the game day thread, you’d be forgiven for thinking that ANB was on the Tigers’ payroll. The usual suspects with their blinkers on full lock… couldn’t see all of his acts that actually contributed to our forays towards the goals.  He was excellent!

Yep and @Clint Bizkit the prize comment “ANB finished the game as he started, with a turnover”.

It’s akin to a player getting drafted and clubs and supporters saying how did we not draft him when we had the opportunity. Well your recruiter’s probably focused on what he couldn’t do as opposed to what he could do 

[DeeSpencer 23,198]

55 minutes ago, FritschyBusiness said:

I would say Goodwin would see it differently for best or ideal 22. 
A fit and in form Spargo Hibberd and Grundy over Chandler, Bowey and JVR.
Sparrow over Woewodin
Clarry over JJ and Fritsch for Melksham. 

We are quite off our ideal 22, that's without considering Brown and Tmac.

What a brilliant list we have. 

Such a strange interpretation of our list. There’s spots we’re scrambling or unable to fill: tall winger, classy mid, key forward/back.

Grundy’s a great back up ruck but can’t seem to make us better alongside Max. Which forces us to use Petty forward.

Chandler has the edge on Spargo right now and has threatened to make himself a lock as Spargo did in 2021, but both hover in the 19-25th on a good list range. 

I love the Pig but I doubt he has the tank for a flank these days, he’s fighting Tomlinson and Smith for the 3rd tall spot.

Brown and T Mc are shot.

If anything the list looks like it’s missing a quality top 5 pick (which it is), needs another ready to go tall so we can settle Petty and is missing some genuine pace. That’s just to get back to 2021.

How far we go this year won’t be determined by amazing depth. We’ll need to make the right calls and for fringe guys to hold up but we need stars and hidden stars like Petty to really stand up to cover some cracks.

[FritschyBusiness 1,455]

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

What??

So you genuinely think the coaching department prefer Spargo, Hibberd and Grundy as better fit then Chandler, Bowey and JVR?

Nah, that's just laughable now.

 

 

55 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Such a strange interpretation of our list. There’s spots we’re scrambling or unable to fill: tall winger, classy mid, key forward/back.

Grundy’s a great back up ruck but can’t seem to make us better alongside Max. Which forces us to use Petty forward.

Chandler has the edge on Spargo right now and has threatened to make himself a lock as Spargo did in 2021, but both hover in the 19-25th on a good list range. 

I love the Pig but I doubt he has the tank for a flank these days, he’s fighting Tomlinson and Smith for the 3rd tall spot.

Brown and T Mc are shot.

If anything the list looks like it’s missing a quality top 5 pick (which it is), needs another ready to go tall so we can settle Petty and is missing some genuine pace. That’s just to get back to 2021.

How far we go this year won’t be determined by amazing depth. We’ll need to make the right calls and for fringe guys to hold up but we need stars and hidden stars like Petty to really stand up to cover some cracks.

Simon has said he has been experimenting with the forward line since the Fritsch and Oliver injuries, What we saw on the weekend was another experiment and to everyones joy a successful one. Which this mix has come around from all the players mentioned in my previous post being injured or out of form and coming out of the side. I wasn't saying those players should come all come in, we have large depth only 6 of our players have played every game this year. 

It's obvious we are better with Max in this role and the current forward line mix had the best result all year and what we should persist with towards finals. 

[JJ Haydos 33]

Trade JJ, Spargo and Harmes at end of year.

Woe will be good, but not quite there yet.

Sparrow in

Clarry in

Fritsch in

Petty was a fwd as a junior... no surprise to me he can play there.

I like Hibbo, but bloody hard to drop McVie or Bowey for him.  Probably more a match up thing to get a game.

ANB frustrates the heck out of me, but you can't drop him.  His motor is huge and his pressure when he doesn't have the ball (mostly) makes up for his skill errors.

Smith perfect sub.  Injury history a risk for full minutes regularly.  But can have impact at either end when he comes on.

Where do you fit Grundy if he does actually come in?  That's the hard one...

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

6 hours ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Yep and @Clint Bizkit the prize comment “ANB finished the game as he started, with a turnover”.

It’s akin to a player getting drafted and clubs and supporters saying how did we not draft him when we had the opportunity. Well your recruiter’s probably focused on what he couldn’t do as opposed to what he could do 

It might have something to do with the fact that 36% of the time he disposed of the ball he gave it directly back to Richmond.

[demosaw 830]

On 7/30/2023 at 11:49 PM, rpfc said:

Thanks for that. 

Glad the union clarified for people.

As a tall forward I insist on solely being measured on my height….

[demosaw 830]

ANB can be fumbly but he is excellent at making a contest most players wouldn’t get to - holding the play up and forcing a stoppage when there is no one to give it to, saving an easy exit by the oppo. The fumbles help here as he rarely gets pinged.

Hit JVR up with a ripper pass too. I liked his game. I accept his limitations and admire his consistent effort.

[Pennant St Dee 11,324]

1 hour ago, Clint Bizkit said:

It might have something to do with the fact that 36% of the time he disposed of the ball he gave it directly back to Richmond.

It may have something to do with we just won a game with a fairly impressive performance and the team had a solid second half with a dominant final quarter but you choose as is regular with you, to focus on a negative 

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

46 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

It may have something to do with we just won a game with a fairly impressive performance and the team had a solid second half with a dominant final quarter but you choose as is regular with you, to focus on a negative 

Are you ok?

[layzie 29,052]

2 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

It might have something to do with the fact that 36% of the time he disposed of the ball he gave it directly back to Richmond.

Rando question but is this DE% (Or reverse DE%) or did you work this out from turnover to possession ratio?

I wish they would drill down on this stat a bit more. 

 

[Demonstone 19,314]

4 hours ago, JJ Haydos said:

Trade JJ

As has been posted on numerous occasions, JJ is a Free Agent.

[Demon Dynasty 15,591]

5 hours ago, JJ Haydos said:

Where do you fit Grundy if he does actually come in?  That's the hard one...

That's not hard.  Just don't.

Unless Maxy needs a week off managed etc against a lowly rated oppo or as sub to cover off against a very tall oppo team sheet or they're bringing in two genuine rucks.

This week for example is the ideal 'managed' opportunity and Goodwin & the FD should be seriously considering doing so.

He would then have a solid lead up of three matches to fine tune leading into  finals.  Perfect timing.

Edited July 31, 2023 by Demon Dynasty

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

21 minutes ago, layzie said:

Rando question but is this DE% (Or reverse DE%) or did you work this out from turnover to possession ratio?

I wish they would drill down on this stat a bit more. 

 

Just the fact that 8 of 22 possessions were turnovers.

[layzie 29,052]

30 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

As has been posted on numerous occasions, JJ is a Free Agent.

Need to pin this. 

[Deemania since 56 6,176]

16 hours ago, old dee said:

Petty played a very good game yesterday, I liked that he seemed to be getting under the skin of the defenders. IMO a bit of agro is necessary in a KPF. 

 A bit of aggro is necessary in all players; a bit of sustained mongrel is even better. Checking out Petty's physique, not height, against the Richmond defenders was interesting, swing in a bit of true mongrel and we have one hell of a full forward who watches for the drop of the ball, gets involved late to avoid 'blocks' and holding, and surprises with his bulk-effect; and, when necessary, leads out to a space as a rather unstoppable beef steak on a mission. Combine that with JVR's mobility and reach, as well, it's a strong combo. Add in the Melk, it's a circular waltz to goal, stripping defenders left, right and centre. Toss in a few frontal smalls (thinking Kozzie and Chandler) and ANB coming in close to just look after the immediate tackling - it's almost an unchallengeable forward line. Then there is JSmith, coming in off the bench to exercise his right of way, his defensive skills and his sudden elevation to mark, spoil, block - it's all awesome. 

[old dee 22,930]

30 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

 A bit of aggro is necessary in all players; a bit of sustained mongrel is even better. Checking out Petty's physique, not height, against the Richmond defenders was interesting, swing in a bit of true mongrel and we have one hell of a full forward who watches for the drop of the ball, gets involved late to avoid 'blocks' and holding, and surprises with his bulk-effect; and, when necessary, leads out to a space as a rather unstoppable beef steak on a mission. Combine that with JVR's mobility and reach, as well, it's a strong combo. Add in the Melk, it's a circular waltz to goal, stripping defenders left, right and centre. Toss in a few frontal smalls (thinking Kozzie and Chandler) and ANB coming in close to just look after the immediate tackling - it's almost an unchallengeable forward line. Then there is JSmith, coming in off the bench to exercise his right of way, his defensive skills and his sudden elevation to mark, spoil, block - it's all awesome. 

The number of MFC supporters who have bagged the decision to keep Smith is amazing. IMO he has always had the talent it has been his injury problems that have been the problem. I admire his willingness to keep on going through it all, in 2023 he has the chance to appear in a GF. I really hope he gets it for all the rehab he has gone through over the years.

[demon3165 1,971]

4 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

It might have something to do with the fact that 36% of the time he disposed of the ball he gave it directly back to Richmond.

I am in two minds about ANB on one hand he tries hard every week in a role that he has been given, runs all day but on the other hand a limited footballer skill wise and not a great decision maker at times and is one paced and that is my problem with him. 

[hardtack 10,127]

13 hours ago, Stevienic23 said:

Did this get picked up by the cameras? Which qtr/minute mark? 

Yes… from memory it was in the 3rd quarter around the 10 minute mark, but my memory’s not the best and it was probably nowhere near that time.

[beelzebub 22,225]

On 7/31/2023 at 3:02 PM, old55 said:

I think there's no doubt that the FD prefer May, Petty, Lever in the backline and the hope was that when Ben Brown completed his "mini-pre-season" he'd be able to come back and perform effectively.  That's why Petty went back and Tomlinson went out, not because we "abandoned the idea of Petty forward".  But it clearly didn't work, and Tomlinson showed some form, so the Petty-forward option with Tomlinson-back was the best card we had to play.  Goodwin has repeatedly said we're open to trying different things to improve.

Agree with this..

Just wondering how much of a spanner got thrown in ....with Petty throwing a party ??

I sense still a bit more "movement" of magnets....but just finessing ..not wholesale shuffles...jmo.

Interesting 

[daisycutter 28,603]

On 7/30/2023 at 6:38 PM, Gawndy the Great said:

I think it’s relatively easy for 2/3.

Clarry for JJ

Sparrow for Harmes

Fritta will be the hard one as it’s not a like for like with Melksham. Maybe it’s a Chandler. 

wowy

[Dee Zephyr 17,703]

19 hours ago, Roost it far said:

Broad was stiff

You reckon Broad was unlucky not to get the free?