Welcome to Demonland Oliver Sestan

[Jaded No More 58,137]

11 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

A couple of glimpses in here of him training at his new home 

 

The haircuts on these kids are truly mortifying. What’s happened to humanity? 

[Freddy Fuschia 666]

14 hours ago, adonski said:

Oh my God I was close

Since he got the gig at ESPN, this bloke really has lost the plot, particularly when it comes to Melbourne. He did get potted by Demon fans (and others) on a couple of occasions on bigfooty last year over some of his views. 

He’s entitled to his opinion so we’ll cop his E classification which ignores the fact that we retained two F1s & F2s but I’m not sure about the view that Jefferson has to find the football more often to become a consistent key forward. He was one of the top goalkickers overall and he showed on the biggest stage at the National Championships that he can find the ball and kick goals.

His assessment doesn’t appear to cover the rookie draft anyway.

[rumpole 480]

22 hours ago, Freddy Fuschia said:

Since he got the gig at ESPN, this bloke really has lost the plot, particularly when it comes to Melbourne. He did get potted by Demon fans (and others) on a couple of occasions on bigfooty last year over some of his views. 

He’s entitled to his opinion so we’ll cop his E classification which ignores the fact that we retained two F1s & F2s but I’m not sure about the view that Jefferson has to find the football more often to become a consistent key forward. He was one of the top goalkickers overall and he showed on the biggest stage at the National Championships that he can find the ball and kick goals.

His assessment doesn’t appear to cover the rookie draft anyway.

If anyone’s inconsistent then it’s old mate Knightmare. He chops and changes every month with his power rankings. Bags us for picking Adams with his injury history but North still get an A despite drafting George who had two major injuries in 2022 and probably won’t play till 2024.

[dazzledavey36 48,870]

5 minutes ago, rumpole said:

If anyone’s inconsistent then it’s old mate Knightmare. He chips and changes every month with his power rankings. Bags us for picking Adams with his injury history but North still get an A despite drafting George who had two major injuries in 2022 and probably won’t play till 2024.

Chris Dorre is Knightmare.

[old dee 22,927]

There is a story in todays HUN on him if anyone is interested. 

[DeeSpencer 23,189]

51 minutes ago, Freddy Fuschia said:

Since he got the gig at ESPN, this bloke really has lost the plot, particularly when it comes to Melbourne. He did get potted by Demon fans (and others) on a couple of occasions on bigfooty last year over some of his views. 

He’s entitled to his opinion so we’ll cop his E classification which ignores the fact that we retained two F1s & F2s but I’m not sure about the view that Jefferson has to find the football more often to become a consistent key forward. He was one of the top goalkickers overall and he showed on the biggest stage at the National Championships that he can find the ball and kick goals.

His assessment doesn’t appear to cover the rookie draft anyway.

Jefferson averaged 9.5 disposals at NAB league and 8.8 at Under 18's. He did hit the scoreboard, but got plenty of cheap ones mixed in that 7 goal effort especially. He will have to find more of the ball. He's not a home run pick at 15, although, there were hardly too many options jumping off the page. If you have to give it a grade I don't mind that it doesn't grade all that highly.

I'm not entirely sure what we were meant to get graded for with the Adams pick. It was small flankers and speculative talls by our pick. And he played 9 Colts games, 2 National champs games and a seniors game this year. Not exactly like he didn't play.

[durango 1,984]

Basically there is no real science in recruiting just watching matches or filmed vision and a gut feel by most recruiters because none have a crystal ball to tell the future of these young men.

Sure there perfomances at U18 level have a bearing but when a young players gets drafted injuries can cruel his development and his career al la Luke Molan.

Those people who rate the selections do so with a very narrow focus on the clubs who get Father-Sons with high rating al la Brisbane whilst clubs like the MFC just get selections which are not at the pointy end of the Draft.

If in 10 years time Oliver Sestan, Will Verrell, Jed Adams and Matthew Jefferson become 200 game players for the MFC and win multiple premierships then people will rate this crop as an A+.

Every time a recruit walks into an AFL club he has the opportunity to become a Clayton Oliver/Nick Daicos/Christian Petracca/Jeremy Cameron/Max Gawn provided he has the potential, willingness to work hard, mental toughness and the luck with injuries.

Player development is so important and coaches like Mark Williams are the reason players become better and better because they challange players both physically and mentally to better themselves.

 

[Bendigo_Demon 371]

11 minutes ago, durango said:

Basically there is no real science in recruiting just watching matches or filmed vision and a gut feel by most recruiters because none have a crystal ball to tell the future of these young men.

Sure there perfomances at U18 level have a bearing but when a young players gets drafted injuries can cruel his development and his career al la Luke Molan.

Those people who rate the selections do so with a very narrow focus on the clubs who get Father-Sons with high rating al la Brisbane whilst clubs like the MFC just get selections which are not at the pointy end of the Draft.

If in 10 years time Oliver Sestan, Will Verrell, Jed Adams and Matthew Jefferson become 200 game players for the MFC and win multiple premierships then people will rate this crop as an A+.

Every time a recruit walks into an AFL club he has the opportunity to become a Clayton Oliver/Nick Daicos/Christian Petracca/Jeremy Cameron/Max Gawn provided he has the potential, willingness to work hard, mental toughness and the luck with injuries.

Player development is so important and coaches like Mark Williams are the reason players become better and better because they challange players both physically and mentally to better themselves.

 

The issue at Melbourne for years wasn't that we couldn't identify talent, it was that we didn't have the structure in place, both within the playing group AND within the coaching staff to develop the players. Now, a player comes to Melbourne and has to do his time in the seconds. They don't get a game in the senior team until they are absolutely ready, which does drive some of us mad, but is the right way to do it.

[durango 1,984]

I got the feeling JT has selected Oliver as a replacement of Jake Melksham/Alex Neal-Bullen in the long run.

[David-Demon 501]

18 hours ago, Action Jackson said:

Was anyone else playing in those 7 games?

Rumor has it that the other teams never turned up for the games against him. But also note rest of his teammates also kicked 10 each.

[Ugottobekidding 915]

19 minutes ago, David-Demon said:

Rumor has it that the other teams never turned up for the games against him. But also note rest of his teammates also kicked 10 each.

 

25 minutes ago, durango said:

I got the feeling JT has selected Oliver as a replacement of Jake Melksham/Alex Neal-Bullen in the long run.

Who replaces Oliver?

[Demonland 65,495]

2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Chris Dorre is Knightmare.

Out of interest who does he barrack for and can he point to the place on this doll where the MFC hurt him.

[1964_2 2,357]

19 hours ago, Rocknroll said:

Check these stats out, BP means best player

wtf happened against Euroa?

With “Oliver” as your name, I expect better :) 

 

[Robbie57 1,991]

32 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Out of interest who does he barrack for and can he point to the place on this doll where the MFC hurt him.

Out of interest what did he have to say about Oliver, Kozzi and that Freemantle player when we picked them? 

The whole rating of pick performance is pretty silly given you cant know for a couple of years, sure you can rate the ability to trade into better positions etc but not the actual outcome, its just daft to pretend you can.  

[BangBnagBang 519]

40 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Out of interest who does he barrack for and can he point to the place on this doll where the MFC hurt him.

Pies I think

[Demonland 65,495]

 

[manny100 1,014]

17 hours ago, 640MD said:

Hidden gem indeed, from those highlights 

he does not juggle a mark , one grab. 
is quick to handball or choose an option.

moves around the ground and gives off to better positions 

we might have pinched one. Will impress at Casey anyway.

If he develops into a very good player you can bet the AFL will commence an investigation into the circumstances on how we picked him. The AFL rail road will be bought in and cart off a couple of years of our draft picks for daring to buck the AFL created pathway.

[Stu 865]

17 hours ago, 640MD said:

Hidden gem indeed, from those highlights 

he does not juggle a mark , one grab. 
is quick to handball or choose an option.

moves around the ground and gives off to better positions 

we might have pinched one. Will impress at Casey anyway.

In the brief glimpses he certainly seems to have good, fast decision making. 

[Demonstone 19,306]

18 minutes ago, manny100 said:

If he develops into a very good player you can bet the AFL will commence an investigation into the circumstances on how we picked him.

I'll take that bet.  How much do you want to have on it?

Peak MFCSS there, manny!   

[fr_ap 2,148]

1 hour ago, Robbie57 said:

Out of interest what did he have to say about Oliver, Kozzi and that Freemantle player when we picked them? 

The whole rating of pick performance is pretty silly given you cant know for a couple of years, sure you can rate the ability to trade into better positions etc but not the actual outcome, its just daft to pretend you can.  

He was critical of all of those selections. Particularly Kozzie as he was of low output - said we would have been much better taking.... Jack Mahoney. Says it all really. He also declared Lukosius the greatest draft pick ever made.  

He's a very dedicated, overly verbose nuffie who lacks any real feel for what traits are important at AFL level. And a Collingwood fan to boot. 

Fair play for getting himself into ESPN as he has been doing phantom drafts for a long time, well before it was hip - but it also says a bit given this history that he's not progressed further & is still bignoting himself on BigFooty with the other Youtube heroes. 

Edited December 1, 2022 by fr_ap

[manny100 1,014]

8 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

I'll take that bet.  How much do you want to have on it?

Peak MFCSS there, manny!   

Yep, it would be pretty hard for the other 17 Recruiting teams to admit they did not notice a 24 goal game. 

[Lucifers Hero 37,141]

1 hour ago, Demonland said:

 

They must know a demon supporter as that is an 'old style' scarf; not sure how long ago it was around.  Its my fave and the one I wear despite the many 'member' scarves I have received.

[Hardley Benial 463]

2 hours ago, Demonland said:

 

I think the Mansfield pub might be missing their restaurant sign

[Fat Tony 4,437]

Great to see such a ‘big boned’ player get  a list spot. Maybe there’s hope for me yet!

[Sir Why You Little 34,594]

It’s always hard to make any opinion off a small highlight reel, but Oliver takes one grab marks and pushes off the ground at the right moment. 
He could be a fantastic pick in future