Farewell Luke Jackson

[Dwight Schrute 16,755]

Hopefully he nominates WCE so we can take pick 2 and Jack Darling off their hands and be done with it

[Garbo 1,330]

Wc will split pick 2 if he nominated them, no way they will they trade out of the first round assuming the afl would even allow it, best bet would be they split this years pick 2 into 5-6 or something to that effect, we would get one of them and next years first probably round pick 7-10 when it’s all done.

[Matt 424]

5 minutes ago, Garbo said:

Wc will split pick 2 if he nominated them, no way they will they trade out of the first round assuming the afl would even allow it, best bet would be they split this years pick 2 into 5-6 or something to that effect, we would get one of them and next years first probably round pick 7-10 when it’s all done.

I suspect we would let West Coast know that we want pick 2, and the AFL would allow it

[cantstandyasam 700]

On 8/21/2022 at 11:49 AM, BDA said:

If he does leave he going about it the right way in terms of continuing to put in and giving his all. And finding form at the perfect time 

For those that reckon the draft picks will compensate for his loss (I’ve been tempted too). I recall one instance on Friday night where he took the ball out of the ruck, ran 10 or so metres before lowering the eyes and hitting brown on the lead. There isn’t another ruckman in the comp that does that never mind a 20 year old ruckman. A freak of nature.

control the controllables as @FlashInThePan pointed out and hopefully that’s enough to overcome his home sickness 

He needs a Melbourne girlfriend fast.

[cantstandyasam 700]

5 minutes ago, Matt said:

I suspect we would let West Coast know that we want pick 2, and the AFL would allow it

Reckon you're right and another pick/player. It will force Freo to give more. 

[Winners at last 4,729]

27 minutes ago, cantstandyasam said:

He needs a Melbourne girlfriend fast.

I would suggest my younger daughter (who's 24 and unattached) but she lives in Sydney.

[Gator 16,893]

6 hours ago, Action Jackson said:

Apparently on SEN before Friday night's game Nathan Jones mentioned that he thinks Jackson may have changed his mind about leaving.

Anyone hear this?

It wasn't that Jones thought Jackson had changed his mind, Jones stated that he had changed his owned mind.

A subtle but major difference.

Even then, it was clear Jones wasn't privy to any new intel.

Edited August 23, 2022 by Hannibal Inc.

[58er 5,608]

12 hours ago, Vipercrunch said:

I think the determining factor for people who go the boo will be whether they feel we are fairly compensated.  

Absolute rubbish Its not Dogga's  fault who we recruit.  We may only get draft picks and not trade players as well.

Give Melb fans more credit we are better than that. 

[Kent 2,581]

13 hours ago, MadAsHell said:

Amazed some people are saying that they would accept Meek, Pick 14 and an early 2nd round pick for Dogga. He's 2 first round picks (at least one of which should be in the top 10) at a minimum. 

As others have said, if we can come away with Grundy, an early pick to get another young key forward and a developing young ruck and Brodie Grundy, then that's something at least.

Grundy is overpriced and shot 

Stay away from him please

[The Jackson FIX 2,293]

12 hours ago, loges said:

Be filthy if he goes but don't believe in booing premiership players 

Maybe a muffled ‘booo-urns’ followed by a quick sip of beer and then get on with it 

[kryton101 334]

Interestingly the commentators have stopped banging on about him going every time he touches the ball.

[Redleg 37,601]

10 hours ago, Garbo said:

Wc will split pick 2 if he nominated them, no way they will they trade out of the first round assuming the afl would even allow it, best bet would be they split this years pick 2 into 5-6 or something to that effect, we would get one of them and next years first probably round pick 7-10 when it’s all done.

I know you are talking about WC, but Freo got pick 2 for Lachie Weller.

If LJ  would accept WC, there is no way they would stuff it up by trading away pick 2 unless we had first agreed.

[Redleg 37,601]

On 8/22/2022 at 3:31 PM, Slartibartfast said:

What a difference a bit of success makes, we can even wish someone who turns their back on us "all the best".  Each to his own.

However IF HE LEAVES FOR FREO I'll not wish him all the best and I'll forever think of him as being disloyal to a club that did everything for him.  We used pick 3 on what many was thought to be a speculative pick.  It was a gamble and a huge investment.  He came to a great well run club with a culture second to none.  He trained with the best - Maxy.  We coached him to a rising star.  We put a premiership medal round his neck.  We've treated him exceptionally well and with dignity.  Our reward?  See ya later boys and by the way, I want to go to Freo where your chances of getting reasonable compensation is much less than if I went to WCE where pick 2 would be part of the deal. But I'm sorry, I'm homesick.

Sorry, that doesn't wash with me and whilst others might accept it "because he's a nice kid" I won't.

Compare that with Scully, the boy who was and stilll is vilified by this site.  He came to a totally dysfunctional club. We had a split in the FD the size of the Grand Canyon.  We had no culture, we had no professionalism and the players had no ambition.  We treated him appallingly.  We had every man and his dog at the club constantly asking him what he was doing and we put him in front of the media on multiple occasions to face questions about his future.  We even asked him to stay for our sick President.  He got a grandfather offer from a new club, an offer no other club would match and he wanted out after what he saw and what we did to him.  And he had specific illnesses in the family that he wanted to provide for. Any manager would have told him to go.  He did and we paid out on a kid we'd done nothing for when he made a sound professional decision.  And guess what, he was right to take it because he wasn't all that good as a footballer and the money he got was a once in a lifetime opportunity.

But we vilified him anyway because he was someone we were falsely told could carry us to success and he disappointed us.  So for me Jackson is disloyal because he leaves a great club for little reason.  Scully left a dysfunctional club for good reason.

And to finish.  If Freo offer peanuts I'd have no hesitation of saying no, Jacko can go into the PSD.  He'll end up at WCE and if that's our position Jacko why don't we deal with WCE because if we don't you may end up at NM.  Jackson's trade is the same as Dangerfield, Kelly, Judd and Cameron.  He's being offered as much by Freo meaning they value him at that level.  You can't have it both ways.  Give us something really meaningful or you just don't get him.  Over to you.

I don’t recall LJ lying to a dying President, or the entire Melbourne membership and fan base and for that matter the entire viewing public. TS said on theTV News and to other media, that he was only in Sydney to have a look around, when the next day videos of him in GWS gear, were for sale, that had obviously been made weeks ago.

Clearly he had committed to GWS a long time before that Sydney lie fest.

I don’t disagree with your characterisation of Melbourne then and now, nor the TS family situation, but TS was not a child and didn’t have to keep lying.

LJ at this point has said nothing and not lied.

TS knew how much we had invested in him and should have just said no comment. That is not hard to do.

I accept that TS was made an offer he couldn’t refuse, it’s the way he left and what he said that I didn’t like.

He blamed everyone on the way out and lied continually. That’s why I feel the way I do.

I still hope LJ stays, but accept he probably won’t, unless a fair deal can’t be achieved.

I will be very disappointed to see him leave, but won’t dislike him or boo him, both of which I did to TS. I have never booed an ex demon before or since. I am happy for him  he got a lot money and also as to how his career played out.

Our pick 2 that year was a great bloke, who I will still mention in footy conversations, unlike the other bloke, who really doesn’t exist in MFC or footy discussions.

Edited August 23, 2022 by Redleg

[chook fowler 18,243]

5 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I don’t recall LJ lying to a dying President, or the entire Melbourne membership and fan base and for that matter the entire viewing public. TS said on theTV News and to other media, that he was only in Sydney to have a look around, when the next day videos of him in GWS gear, were for sale, that had obviously been made weeks ago.

Clearly he had committed to GWS a long time before that Sydney lie fest.

I don’t disagree with your characterisation of Melbourne then and now, nor the TS family situation, but TS was not a child and didn’t have to keep lying.

LJ at this point has said nothing and not lied.

TS knew how much we had invested in him and should have just said no comment. That is not hard to do.

I accept that TS was made an offer he couldn’t refuse, it’s the way he left and what he said that I didn’t like.

He blamed everyone on the way out and lied continually. That’s why I feel the way I do.

I still hope LJ stays, but accept he probably won’t, unless a fair deal can’t be achieved.

I will be very disappointed to see him leave, but won’t dislike him or boo him, both of which I did to TS. I have never booed an ex demon before or since. I am happy for him  he got a lot money and also as to how his career played out.

It would be a travesty to boo a premiership player. 

[Redleg 37,601]

2 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

It would be a travesty to boo a premiership player. 

Maybe not a travesty, but undignified. 

[FarNorthernD 5,840]

5 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I don’t recall LJ lying to a dying President, or the entire Melbourne membership and fan base and for that matter the entire viewing public. TS said on theTV News and to other media, that he was only in Sydney to have a look around, when the next day videos of him in GWS gear, were for sale, that had obviously been made weeks ago.

Clearly he had committed to GWS a long time before that Sydney lie fest.

I don’t disagree with your characterisation of Melbourne then and now, nor the TS family situation, but TS was not a child and didn’t have to keep lying.

LJ at this point has said nothing and not lied.

TS knew how much we had invested in him and should have just said no comment. That is not hard to do.

I accept that TS was made an offer he couldn’t refuse, it’s the way he left and what he said that I didn’t like.

He blamed everyone on the way out and lied continually. That’s why I feel the way I do.

I still hope LJ stays, but accept he probably won’t, unless a fair deal can’t be achieved.

I will be very disappointed to see him leave, but won’t dislike him or boo him, both of which I did to TS.

Each to their own but I think booing players who change teams is dumb but I made an exception for TS. Now I almost feel a bit sorry for him though. He really can’t be strongly associated with any of the teams he played for - Us, GWS or the Hawks. He has little legacy except for perhaps being the ultimate footballer mercenary 

[chook fowler 18,243]

10 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Maybe not a travesty, but undignified. 

i lean towards travesty - he was an important part of that Grand Final result.

Edited August 23, 2022 by chook fowler

[Bay Riffin 1,415]

12 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 

Makes sense to me. I havent seen any scenario where Freo get it done. 

Cerra wanted to come to the Dees but we had no picks to give them, Carlton did. If Jackson is desperate to go home I predict it will be to the Weagles. and that deal surely has to include pick 2. 

[Red and Blue realist 2,026]

11 hours ago, Garbo said:

Wc will split pick 2 if he nominated them, no way they will they trade out of the first round assuming the afl would even allow it, best bet would be they split this years pick 2 into 5-6 or something to that effect, we would get one of them and next years first probably round pick 7-10 when it’s all done.

I'd be guessing they might try and get Gold Coast involved if they get pick 5 for Rankine, they might give picks 2 and 20 (before all the F/S and academy picks), for picks 5, 7 & 43 from Gold Coast, and then West Coast could give us 5 & their 2023 1st.

I think that would be more valuable than just pick 2 this year. However, these dealings will take a while because Gold Coast are involved and I think they'll be trying to consolidate some of their 2nd and 3rd round picks into 1st round swaps.

[old55 21,339]

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

I don’t recall LJ lying to a dying President, or the entire Melbourne membership and fan base and for that matter the entire viewing public. TS said on theTV News and to other media, that he was only in Sydney to have a look around, when the next day videos of him in GWS gear, were for sale, that had obviously been made weeks ago.

Clearly he had committed to GWS a long time before that Sydney lie fest.

I don’t disagree with your characterisation of Melbourne then and now, nor the TS family situation, but TS was not a child and didn’t have to keep lying.

LJ at this point has said nothing and not lied.

TS knew how much we had invested in him and should have just said no comment. That is not hard to do.

I accept that TS was made an offer he couldn’t refuse, it’s the way he left and what he said that I didn’t like.

He blamed everyone on the way out and lied continually. That’s why I feel the way I do.

I still hope LJ stays, but accept he probably won’t, unless a fair deal can’t be achieved.

I will be very disappointed to see him leave, but won’t dislike him or boo him, both of which I did to TS. I have never booed an ex demon before or since. I am happy for him  he got a lot money and also as to how his career played out.

Our pick 2 that year was a great bloke, who I will still mention in footy conversations, unlike the other bloke, who really doesn’t exist in MFC or footy discussions.

I have similar sympathy for Tom Scully as @Slartibartfast.  When was the last time a young player said in season he was leaving?  What did you want him to say when he was filmed in Sydney? I don't think "no comment" would have satisfied. I have my doubts that the dying Jim was ready to hear "your club is f**ked, I'm going to GWS".

The mature 2022 Demons have shielded LJ and have said "let's give him time, he can decide at the end of the season". The broken 2011 Demons left Scully out to dry as the media hounded him for a public answer.

Scully made a sound decision and was put in an unenviable position.

Edited August 24, 2022 by old55

[jnrmac 18,975]

33 minutes ago, old55 said:

 

Scully made a sound decision and was put in an unenviable position.

Scully took the money and is a forgotten footballer that did nothing and has no allegiances. Neither GWS Melbourne or hawthorn will remember him fondly

Have a great life Tom 

[forever demons 1,815]

2 hours ago, Redleg said:

I don’t recall LJ lying to a dying President, or the entire Melbourne membership and fan base and for that matter the entire viewing public. TS said on theTV News and to other media, that he was only in Sydney to have a look around, when the next day videos of him in GWS gear, were for sale, that had obviously been made weeks ago.

Clearly he had committed to GWS a long time before that Sydney lie fest.

I don’t disagree with your characterisation of Melbourne then and now, nor the TS family situation, but TS was not a child and didn’t have to keep lying.

LJ at this point has said nothing and not lied.

TS knew how much we had invested in him and should have just said no comment. That is not hard to do.

I accept that TS was made an offer he couldn’t refuse, it’s the way he left and what he said that I didn’t like.

He blamed everyone on the way out and lied continually. That’s why I feel the way I do.

I still hope LJ stays, but accept he probably won’t, unless a fair deal can’t be achieved.

I will be very disappointed to see him leave, but won’t dislike him or boo him, both of which I did to TS. I have never booed an ex demon before or since. I am happy for him  he got a lot money and also as to how his career played out.

Our pick 2 that year was a great bloke, who I will still mention in footy conversations, unlike the other bloke, who really doesn’t exist in MFC or footy discussions.

I wish Trenners had never had that foot problem back then,if he was at mfc in todays conditions he would have got the help and gone on to be great player.Better than that dog Scully

[Vipercrunch 2,808]

3 hours ago, 58er said:

Absolute rubbish Its not Dogga's  fault who we recruit.  We may only get draft picks and not trade players as well.

Give Melb fans more credit we are better than that. 

How naive are you?  We have 65,000+ members plus many, many other non-member supporters.  You are kidding yourself if you think all of them are wonderful people that will harbour nothing but goodwill to departed players, especially if we don't get a good trade.

[Deestinga2 48]

I thought i heard the WCE cant trade their 1st round pic this year cause they have traded out the last 3.

Afl rule says you must use at least 1 1st round pic every 4 years, the Kelly trade has buggered that up for them.

[Vipercrunch 2,808]

1 hour ago, old55 said:

I have similar sympathy for Tom Scully as @Slartibartfast.  When was the last time a young player said in season he was leaving?  What did you want him to say when he was filmed in Sydney? I don't think "no comment" would have satisfied. I have my doubts that the dying Jim was ready to hear "your club is f**ked, I'm going to GWS".

The mature 2022 Demons have shielded LJ and have said "let's give him time, he can decide at the end of the season". The broken 2011 Demons left Scully out to dry as the media hounded him for a public answer.

Scully made a sound decision and was put in an unenviable position.

Yeah, it was a very difficult situation for him, mainly because player movement announcments are so taboo in the AFL.  I don't think I want the AFL to go quite as far as the NRL do with announcing player movement so far out, but I do hope we can mature a little in this space.  Just like turfing the centre bounce, I really don't think it will be as impactful to the industry as some supporters think.