Jump to content

Sign in to follow this  
Demonland

Bombers Succession Planning

Recommended Posts

Not Dees exactly related but interesting that the bombers are going down the succession plan route. 

 

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Now I'm waiting for certain posters to come here and say we should do the same with Goodwin, despite the fact that this has disaster for Essendon written all over it...

Edited by AshleyH30

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If true: The main question is does Worsfold want to retire at the end of next year?  Maybe but I have a feeling he thinks he still has longer in the game.  Is it being announced to stop the demands for his sacking next year?  Or will it make it worse as they have a coach in waiting already on the payroll.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
50 minutes ago, AshleyH30 said:

Now I'm waiting for curtain posters to come here and say we should do the same with Goodwin, despite the fact that this has disaster for Essendon written all over it...

What is a curtain poster? Certainly you are mistaken, haha

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, ManDee said:

What is a curtain poster? Certainly you are mistaken, haha

Certain and Curtain are some of the few words in the English language that confuse me. I always question myself when writing them and I wasn't sure if it was right when I posted it. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
55 minutes ago, Darkhorse72 said:

If true: The main question is does Worsfold want to retire at the end of next year?  Maybe but I have a feeling he thinks he still has longer in the game.  Is it being announced to stop the demands for his sacking next year?  Or will it make it worse as they have a coach in waiting already on the payroll.

They can't afford to pay out a coach for a full year, after all the payout they've had over the last few years. So if they drag it into the next season then it doesn't cost them as much and won't look as bad. Also Worsfold's wife and kids have already moved back to WA, I'm sure they might have wanted him to step away on his own and thought this might give him a little push. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
57 minutes ago, ManDee said:

What is a curtain poster? Certainly you are mistaken, haha

Sounds a little  loopy but has a ring to it ;)

  • Like 2
  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, ManDee said:

What is a curtain poster?

It's similar to posting when blind.

Works best on Windows.

Edited by demonstone
More "humour"
  • Like 1
  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Clubs are finding very creative ways to sack coaches these days

you can be sacked tomorrow or agree to this BS succession plan.

ummm i guess the second option

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, AshleyH30 said:

Certain and Curtain are some of the few words in the English language that confuse me. I always question myself when writing them and I wasn't sure if it was right when I posted it. 

Perhaps curtail your use of these words then Ash?

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, DubDee said:

Clubs are finding very creative ways to sack coaches these days

you can be sacked tomorrow or agree to this BS succession plan.

ummm i guess the second option

agree but you have to admit that it's smart in that it gives something to all the stakeholders. Whether it is the right long term move is almost beside the point in this world of brand driven values.

Will be interesting to see how the media reacts to the PR spin that EFC will put on the move.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
32 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

agree but you have to admit that it's smart in that it gives something to all the stakeholders. Whether it is the right long term move is almost beside the point in this world of brand driven values.

Will be interesting to see how the media reacts to the PR spin that EFC will put on the move.

Worsfold gets a years pay for doing very little

Essendrug lessen there costs by not sacking early. They can also pay Rutten a base (Learning) salary

All good in theory, let’s hope in reality it becomes a huge mess!!!

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think it worked well at Melbourne - as in, it was a harmonious hand over from Roos to Goodwin.

It succeeded at Melbourne as it was the coach (Roos) idea and is what he pushed for.

It completely failed at Collingwood as it was imposed on the coach (Malthouse).

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

I think it worked well at Melbourne - as in, it was a harmonious hand over from Roos to Goodwin.

It succeeded at Melbourne as it was the coach (Roos) idea and is what he pushed for.

It completely failed at Collingwood as it was imposed on the coach (Malthouse).

I don't think this is Worsfold's idea though. Seems almost similar to the Malthouse situation.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

agree but you have to admit that it's smart in that it gives something to all the stakeholders. Whether it is the right long term move is almost beside the point in this world of brand driven values.

Will be interesting to see how the media reacts to the PR spin that EFC will put on the move.

“giving something to all the shareholders “ is often a terrible way to run a footy club. it all good in ideas but can also miss  the heart of the place.  i’m so glad it’s not us fr a change setting up to be this stupid.

i’ll eat my words if it comes out that  woosha drove this, but it’s not t vibe i’m getting. 

 

Edited by Wells 11

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

agree but you have to admit that it's smart in that it gives something to all the stakeholders. Whether it is the right long term move is almost beside the point in this world of brand driven values.

Will be interesting to see how the media reacts to the PR spin that EFC will put on the move.

I don't think it's smart at all.  have some balls and sack the bloke if you think he is not up to it.  or offer him a mentor role.

an embarrassing year coming up for Woosha.  if he was doing well, this would not be happening.

A bit like the North Scott situation.  we are parting mutually, nothing to do with being 2-7.  if they planned this mutable separation then why are north paying 600K next year in the soft cap.  clubs don't want to be seen to be sacking coaches these days as it implies failure so they are using PR and the media and fans eat it up

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So I wonder what all that hoolabaloo with Caracella going back to Essedrug was about ?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I really feel like from an on field coaching and tactics situation that Goodwin in charge of the side whilst Roos oversaw him and took responsibility worked very well in 2016 - to win 10 games with that list was brilliant coaching - and set us up well for 17/18.

A lot of the failures in fitness, injury management, list management and game style had roots in that same time frame but overall I'd still give it a tick.

The problem with transitioning from one coach to another is you're more likely to either keep things in place or bend towards the new coach without a proper clean out. Which should be fine, but if you aren't well set up across your footy department you risk the situation we are in now. But that's true for keeping a long term coach and if you bring in a completely new coach you can toss out all the good with the bad.

But for the actual succession - as long as Worsfold doesn't pull a Mick Malthouse - I'd actually think it will work for Essendon short term. Long term they might end up needing a harder look at their list, their full coaching set up, their medical staff etc.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

We won't know whether Melbourne's succession is successful for a couple of years. And it's taken almost 10 years for Collingwood's to bear fruit. Plus, you have to speculate whether the Pies cost themselves a flag in 2011 in their (Eddie's) desperation to keep Buckley by sidelining Malthouse.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

All so  cynical you lots, what's the difference between what the dees have done, and essendon are going to do and what Carlton have done with Bolton, makes no difference if you hire a inexperienced coach or train a coach like the dees have done with  Goodwin, in terms of whether that coach succeeds or fails There is no right way or wrong way in selecting  a head coach, the reality is there are 18 clubs and most coaches will get sacked within 3 to 5 years there is only one premiership every year for 18 clubs. This is a great move for the essendrug, Ben rutten has very little experience, worsefold will be a great mentor for a young coach. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Sign in to follow this  

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Social Media

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles

    THE TRADING CHRONICLES 2019

    PART ONE - OVERTURE  I have a disclaimer at the outset. I’m not a fan of the races - be they horses or motors of any kind. Once the final siren sounds on the football season, I find the month or so that follows and corresponds roughly with the Spring Racing Carnival to be the most boring time of the year for sports fans. You turn on the radio and you’re confronted by the monotonous drone of a self-proclaimed racing expert or by the nasally twang of an ex-jockey banging on about the equine p

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Special Features 8

    CHANGES 2019 by The Oracle

    PART 1 - IT’S A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED THIS TIME This year’s free agency, trade and draft period will see the usual drama and upheaval as the AFL’s 18 clubs seek to better their lists in order to challenge for finals and possibly premiership honours. Long before the final siren sounded on the season just over a week ago, the maneuvering was under way with player agents and clubs discussing possible player movements and in some cases, deals had already been done.  Yesterday, the r

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Special Features 1

    HOW FAR SOUTH? by George on the Outer

    It was appropriate that Melbourne was playing its last game of season 2019 in Hobart.  After all, how much further south could the team go? And much as it has done in many of the previous 22 games, the side managed to extract a loss from a winning position by simply giving the ball back to the opposition time and time again. In fact, they gave it back to the opposition to the tune of 53 points from turnovers while, by way of contrast North Melbourne contributed  only 17 points to their oppo

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    COOKED by The Oracle

    I can vividly remember when the Demons ventured onto Blundstone Arena for the first time in early 2016 only to lose to the Kangaroos by 20.11.131 to 21.10.136.    Melbourne was then a team on the up and up: young, enthusiastic and bold. It gave up a huge quarter time deficit after kicking against a strong wind but made that up by half time and fell dramatically short after an exciting high scoring affair.  The team lost no fans that day - they were willing to take the game on and attac

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    HELP by KC rom Casey

    The Casey Demons finished off their home and away season against Frankston at Skybus Stadium on Sunday with a narrow, unconvincing 6-point victory that left the door slightly open for a top eight berth when the VFL finals begin in a fortnight’s time. While sunny skies prevailed over Frankston in the morning, the skies became overcast by noon and heavy waves pounded the bay nearby as the rains came in to greet the players as the game started. And conditions stayed dark and dreary for the rem

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    THANKS BUT NO THANKS by George on the Outer

    Thanks, but no thanks! In a round where the club was supposed to thank their fans for the support during the year, the Melbourne Football Club chose to do otherwise with a 53 point loss to a team that sat 15th on the ladder.  Don’t give us cheap jumpers that can’t be sold in the Demon shop.  Don’t give us vouchers to shop there, give us something on the field, which is why we come to the football in the first place. It was a disgraceful performance, which started with a disgracefu

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    SLEEP OUT AT THE MCG by The Oracle

    Around about 12 months ago Melbourne and Sydney fought out an epic battle between two top eight teams fighting for the best possible ladder position in the lead up to the finals. The Swans triumphed by 9 points at the MCG after the Demons came back from five goals down at three quarter time. But for its poor kicking for goal, Melbourne might well have won the game and finished in the top four. Who knows what might then have happened for the club in September? As a consequence, the person re

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    A LITTLE RAY OF SUNSHINE by KC from Casey

    Two clubs that have been hard hit by injury recently took part in a dour battle under dark clouds and, with intermittent showers falling, it wasn’t a pretty game at Victoria Park on Sunday. Despite all that, the Casey Demons added a little ray of sunshine to their day to get the job done over a "traditional" rival with a 15 point victory over Collingwood VFL that breathed life back into their season. There were a few highlights at the ground that in past days has seen many titanic batt

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

    THE RETRO ROUND by George on the Outer

    We have seen it all before… Yes, a wonderful idea to showcase what used to be in football.  Big crowds, umpires who knew how to apply the rules and not opinions, high marks, skilful players. But for the Melbourne supporters their retro is what it has been like for the past 10 years. Losing games, end on end, year after year.  Opportunities squandered in front of goal. VFL standard players running around at the MCG. Just more of the same, and the game against Collingwood was no ex

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    THE PEOPLE SPEAK by The Demonland Crew

    Thanks to Demonlanders for their input into this week’s preview. Ralphius Maximus is short and bittersweet: We'll crack in at the bounce to create a contest, win our share of the ball, butcher the forward movement and get scored on easily from the intercepts. Not that hard to predict. Big Demon says: Unfortunately Collingwood will win because they have a lot more to play for. We will be good in parts but really the season is well over so we will have to put up with those bell

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Previews

    WHAT, NO BLOOD? by George on the Outer

    The feeling when turning up to the MCG on a Saturday night to play a top four side in Richmond, while the Melbourne sits cemented in close proximity to the bottom of the table is like attending the Colosseum in Ancient Roman times. The expectation is that a bloodbath is about to occur. There are 100,000 Richmond members and 50,000 Melbourne members, and despite the fact that it turned out to be a wet night after half-time, a crowd of only 37K bothered to turn up. That should never have happ

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Match Reports

    A MAN’S ERRAND by KC from Casey

    A young and undermanned Casey Demons were sent out on Saturday to the Swinburne Centre in the shadows of the MCG on a man’s errand against a very experienced Richmond VFL combination which is the clear ladder leader and fielded no less than 18 AFL listed players. It was expected to be a rout and the Tigers made easy work of it in the early stages when they held a 26 point lead by quarter time. To their credit however, the Demons weathered the storm and kept their opponents within the range

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Casey Articles

×
×
  • Create New...