POST MATCH DISCUSSION - Round 15

[Coq au vin 755]

3 minutes ago, danielE288 said:

Saw Jesse Hogan roaming the streets on Collingwood as I was on my way home. Pretty bizzare when the game had only ended 10 minutes before 

He left 1/2 way through the last quarter.

[danielE288 779]

Just now, Diamond said:

He left 1/2 way through the last quarter.

Makes sense so did I.

[jumbo returns 6,741]

It's been posted by many on here and we finally have a base comparison - we cannot win AFL games with VFL standard players

White

Wagner

Neal - Bullen

Bugg (stupid tonight....deserves eight)

Stretch

Pederson (looked cooked)

Melksham 

Harmes (but there's hope)

Looked like 2014 all over again out there....

 

 

[SaberFang 7,151]

1 minute ago, Diamond said:

He left 1/2 way through the last quarter.

Don't blame him. Probably wanted to avoid getting caught in a mob of Melbourne supporters bitching about the loss.

[Lil_red_fire_engine 11,177]

1 minute ago, jumbo returns said:

It's been posted by many on here and we finally have a base comparison - we cannot win AFL games with VFL standard players

White

Wagner

Neal - Bullen

Bugg (stupid tonight....deserves eight)

Stretch

Pederson (looked cooked)

Melksham 

Harmes (but there's hope)

Looked like 2014 all over again out there....

 

 

You can. Just not 8 of them at once. Role players have their place but you can't carry them all. 

[Bates Mate 4,487]

8 minutes ago, danielE288 said:

Saw Jesse Hogan roaming the streets on Collingwood as I was on my way home. Pretty bizzare when the game had only ended 10 minutes before 

Smoking a dart ?

[Stevienic23 1,183]

1 hour ago, Wiseblood said:

Was it?  Says on the stats sheet it was 6 goals.

Says this on the stats sheet too.

We absolutely have excuses and im really not having a go. Just calling a spade a spade. 

Edited June 30, 2017 by Stevienic23

[frankie_d 1,471]

1 hour ago, McQueen said:

Viney confirmed Plantar Fascia.

Great... a month at least.

I'm actually relieved to hear that it's not a bone / ligament issue - the game has lost too many from those (Trengove, Egan, Hird (came back), Clark(?e)...)

So he'll be back.

Walk away from tonight - I suspect the coaches aren't too surprised, and good on them for not playing those that "might" have got up - and getting the right.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

1 hour ago, bringbackthebiff said:

Crap umpiring, crap commentators. But realistically they were too good, too strong. That's the standard for contested footy. 

We had two of our best contested out of the match for either a half and the whole game.

We had a 2nd game back, no match fitness, Big Maxy who was spent by half time.

Wags a turnover King playing in the position where Hunt should have played.  Coaching error.

White simply not up to this level right now.

T-Mac spending too much time in the ruck....see Big Maxy issue above.

Clarry, probably our best contested inside player this year, spending the first 15 min on the bench??  Handing the contested momentum to Sydney early.   Another coaching error.

No genuine small forward. 

Our best ball user, JW, sidelined.

A 3rd match with a six day turnaround, probably resulting in many of the youngsters being out of the contest for much of the night.

Take absolutely no notice of this match.

If we get Watts, Jones, Jeffy, Hogan, Salem and Viney back the next time we meet, we will pummel this mob.

The only thing standing in our road to success from here are injuries.

 

 

 

 

 

[Razor 289]

I was at the game and once it headed South I spent a lot of time watching our running off the ball.

Mac tried his guts out and Jetta, Omac and Frost also were very good under relentless pressure.

My main concern is the physical condition of half the team.

Petracca, Hunt, Lewis, Pedo, Vince, Tyson, Harmes all looked to be very sore if not carrying niggles.  We need to be very careful with these guys if not even rest a few to make sure we have them up and about for the business end of the season.

[dpositive 1,665]

51 minutes ago, Deecisive said:

well tonight was a downer. Yes the 4 games in 18 days did have an impact on us. But we lost this through lack of effort, the whole team was flat, we did not tackle, we did not chase. Putting both wagner and white down in the backline threw it out of wack, both did very little for the team. Hunt and Harmes both quite. Bugg may as well went off after that hit on the swans player as he contributed bugger all. We failed to man up so the swans just chipped it around us all night long.

 

Guys need to have a good long break and bring in some fresh players, wager, white, bugg, Harmes and possible ANB could all have a rest and practice their skills with Casey.

Sorry to pick you Deec.

i agree that 4/18 had an impact.

but don't think they were Flat or lacked effort.

sydney went in with their best and a stronger more experienced side they proved to be. They were able to stand up in tackles and umpires allowed them plenty of time and scope to take advantage of their strength.

our "boys" were simply overrun by the bigger bodies who tackled harder by opponents who were allowed to play with vigour.

Effort was shown by most but Bugg was somewhere else and Clayton had trouble getting involved. Viney was significant loss when added to Jones. We seemed to be a forward down Hogan, and Watts was not there to mop up and deliver. Plus no Garlett to crumb off the few contests that were created.

Yeah we were beaten but the Swans have nothing more to offer. We can improve

Hope we learned 

[Watts the matter 1,235]

46 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

What do you want him to say, Einstein?  He said it was a bad look and he was embarrassed by his actions.  You can't say much more than that.

"It wasn't my genuine intent" "it looks really bad"

Please....I'd rather he say nothing, clearly Mills didn't want to hear it, why does anyone else have to? 

Why did it require a public apology, especially prior to giving Mills a genuine personal one. Should have let the dust settle and then tried to contact Mills.

 

[jumbo returns 6,741]

Lewis and Bernie really need to STAND UP...

[shorty 233]

32 minutes ago, btdemon said:

I agree, Bruce is ridiculous but the whole commentary team was appalling. BT is a complete fickwut. Why do we have to listen to moronic comments in such high profile games. I had to turn the sound down.

What about Ling should be able to mute the comments you don't want to listen too. Press Red to shut up Ling

[Je Roos Salem 661]

Petracca was our best I thought, along with the McDonalds. Gawn wasn't great, we needed more from Lewis and Vince when Viney went down, it seems like they've forgotten how to win the ball. Some looked tired, some just aren't up to standard (White, Wagner, Stretch). Pedo didn't have anything close to the impact of previous games and he might be squeezed out now once Hogan and Watts are back, unfortunately

[Ditcha 524]

52 minutes ago, At the break of Gawn said:

What station was that? Said on Fox sports he's definitely not playing next week.

He and Christian Salam were speaking to members in the lindsay Hassett room. Simon Goodwin said in press conference that Watts and Garlett are chance next week. He also said that Hogan is getting closer.

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

I don't like losing as much as the next bloke and I don't believe in the cliche " the loss we needed to have."

Reality is, Essendon gave the Swans a lifeline last week and tonight was always going to be a tough assignment against a seasoned outfit at full strength. 

We have to consider the fact that not only our players out are easily the first picked, they are also match winners on their day. Petracca looked the only one tonight that could win it for us. Most of the boys looked cooked and I don't blame them one bit. 

I found the second half somewhat admirable to be honest, I might be in the minority here but after watching the captain limp out of the huddle and straight down the rooms just prior to the second half commencing,  it sent a dagger through my heart.

It was 3.7 to 6.4  in the second half and a lot of teams would have completely got themselves blown off the park at this stage without any true leaders out there. 

Plenty of footy ahead, just hope the footy gods are kind to us soon.

[Demonsone 2,037]

I just wonder when the AFL will actually make this a fair comp! How can you have 1 side play 4 games in 18days when the other team hasn't....Get real AFL!

 

[shorty 233]

I knew we were headed for a loss, our depth was tested and Sydney play one on one and that doesn't help an attacking side undermanned after a six day break from the West. We now know what our limitations are. We technically conceded rolled the dice and lost. Just unfortunate it happened on a Friday night. We may yet be in for a tough month. Our ground ball skills looked like a team who needed the weekend off. Some of our disposal by foot is at times not at AFL standard. Lewis and Vince look like they are playing in the Masters.

[Jaded No More 68,915]

Gawn looked to have aged 30 years tonight. Clearly stuffed. Needs the break and the match fitness. Contradictory I know, but he looked slow and flat and also not very sharp with the footy or mobile. He will be better for the run. 

[Go the Biff 3,424]

51 minutes ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

It is pretty obvious JKH, Kennedy and Kent must have done something as there is no way Dion Johnstone would be ahead of them as an emergency. 

Tonight was not unexpected. We didn't lack effort but lacked spark and were 3-5 steps off our normal spread. This meant they had plenty of short kick options to use and we had no options out of the backline or into the forward line so just dump kicked on most occasions. Gawn seems to be lacking his attack on the ball in the air and holding position since his return and I hope it returns quicker than his beard grows.

Whilst it's great we have won 3 of 4 in 18 days the injury toll has killed us and I expect will ruin our second half of year more than we hope. 

If I look for good points tonight, we never dropped our heads. O-Mac is getting better and better. T-Mac could actually make a serious foil with Hogan on return. You realise how good Salem is when he's not there. You realise how good Petracca will be the more you watch him.   

Rest up. Reset. Go again.

Top post. Saved me some typing

We've played our best footy in June, a month in which no-one has won a flag., It may be getting towards August before we start to get anywhere near our best team back on the park. But that gives us time to get rolling again towards the back end of the season

It's still a fun ride people

[Demonsone 2,037]

The 2 deliberate frees paid were a disgrace!

 

[waynewussell 5,748]

Have watched 1st Qtr on replay since returning from G. Those happy to shove Wagner under the bus are short sighted! He had a very good first Qtr. No way should he be lumped in with White as a dodgy selection. I agree that White had a shocker. Labelling players as VFL standard is dumb! Hannon was playing VAFA standard two years ago. Over the years I've heard the same thing said about Nathan Jones, Sam Frost, Cam Pederson, Oscar MacDonald, and so on. Bugg has copped a lot for his response to being impeded while he was trying to get to the ball. He will get several weeks for that! I loved the way he put his body in the path of a Swan who has was running at Big Max to remonstrate. Bugg has his deficiencies, but avoiding putting his body on the line is not one of them. I think we can do better with selection than we did against Swans... I look forward to Kent's return and I am keen to see J Smith again. Maynard may get a chance and I hope Weiderman can follow up on the progress he made last week. It's not all 'not up to AFL standard' in the VFL. The challenge is to have some synchronicity when a large number of players come in to the best 22. Something that was lacking tonight.

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,826]

2 hours ago, Demonland said:

Can we play on Thursday night next week?

 

2 hours ago, Chook said:

Over the past month, I've forgotten what it feels like to lose. I don't like it.

 

2 hours ago, bringbackthebiff said:

Crap umpiring, crap commentators. But realistically they were too good, too strong. That's the standard for contested footy. 

Thought about starting a new topic "Why I now hate Friday night games":

1.  We lost.

2.  We lost.

3.  We lost.

4.  Six day breaks;

5.  Brian Taylor;

6.  Brian Taylor;

7.  Brian Taylor;

8.  Bruce McAvaney.

[Watts the matter 1,235]

2 minutes ago, waynewussell said:

Have watched 1st Qtr on replay since returning from G. Those happy to shove Wagner under the bus are short sighted! He had a very good first Qtr. No way should he be lumped in with White as a dodgy selection. I agree that White had a shocker. Labelling players as VFL standard is dumb! Hannon was playing VAFA standard two years ago. Over the years I've heard the same thing said about Nathan Jones, Sam Frost, Cam Pederson, Oscar MacDonald, and so on. Bugg has copped a lot for his response to being impeded while he was trying to get to the ball. He will get several weeks for that! I loved the way he put his body in the path of a Swan who has was running at Big Max to remonstrate. Bugg has his deficiencies, but avoiding putting his body on the line is not one of them. I think we can do better with selection than we did against Swans... I look forward to Kent's return and I am keen to see J Smith again. Maynard may get a chance and I hope Weiderman can follow up on the progress he made last week. It's not all 'not up to AFL standard' in the VFL. The challenge is to have some synchronicity when a large number of players come in to the best 22. Something that was lacking tonight.

First two kicks straight to Sydney, was ok for the rest of the quarter. Good positioning but just not clean when he needs to be.