Tommy Bugg on report

[Demonsone 2,042]

Undisciplined act ... let his teammates & club down!  We want to be know as a hard team but play with in the rules .. he knew we have a mounting injury list also...  

[chook fowler 19,459]

It may be the kick in the arse he needed - I don't think he has lived up to his potential and needs to knuckle down and not be distracted by his foolish antics I.e he needs to become a lot more professional. This 6 weeks will be make or break. I hope it is ' make .' 

[Sir Why You Little 37,046]

Barry Hall played in the 2005 GF after a wild punch the week before

he is now in the Hall of Fame

Just Saying....

[No10 461]

1 hour ago, SaberFang said:

Not defending his action but this is a reactionary punishment based on the media outrage drummed up this weekend. If this happened a month ago? 4 weeks.

Just think of how many ludicrous punches ended up being fines or, worse, overlooked. How many elbows to the heads were even cited? Nothing to see when Selwood elbows Mitchell in the head as he's lying defenceless on the ground. Nothing against Schofield because the media decided Oliver was staging. Nothing against Cotchin's jumper punch because he plays for Richmond and he's a great bloke with lots of mates in the media.

This is exactly right.   No friends for Bugg.  None.

Bugg spoke to the media, said how he's friends with Gus, understands concussion and the seriousness.

Nobody in his corner is weak from the MFC.  Could've at least by made it about his remorse, instead Findlay sinks the boot in by saying how horrible it is and it'll follow him for his entire career!

Never Findlay again.   Sure, Bugg deserves the time.  Fine, don't defend him at all at the tribunal.  But why join the media hysteria?

[beelzebub 23,380]

1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

Hope we never use Findlay again as a player advocate. 

A murderer would at least get something of decent effort at a defence. Good ol roll over Melbourne.

[Demonsone 2,042]

1 minute ago, beelzebub said:

A murderer would at least get something of decent effort at a defence. Good ol roll over Melbourne.

Club can't give this anymore oxygen...they need to move on & focus energy on getting best team  on the park & on the next games  to win enough games to play finals ..  

[beelzebub 23,380]

1 minute ago, Hogan2014 said:

Club can't give this anymore oxygen...they need to move on & focus energy on getting best team  on the park & on the next games  to win enough games to play finals ..  

The QC lining up on the weekend ??

Ffs thats all his job is here...club squibbing...again. They ALWAYS squib.

[PaulRB 6,377]

Bugg made a costly error of judgement.

There's no room in professional sport for assaulting another player in this way. If he'd done that outside the stadium he'd be charged with assault. 

Six weeks for assaulting someone in your workplace is actually grossly inadequate. Only in the delusional bubble that is the AFL can we think 6 weeks for a king hit behind play is unfair. 

Edited July 4, 2017 by PaulRB

[mauriesy 7,299]

4 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

The QC lining up on the weekend ??

Ffs thats all his job is here...club squibbing...again. They ALWAYS squib.

Rubbish. The club would look absolutely stupid trying to defend Bugg in any way. There is nothing to defend.

[jnrmac 20,104]

4 minutes ago, mauriesy said:

Rubbish. The club would look absolutely stupid trying to defend Bugg in any way. There is nothing to defend.

Moronic. Even murderers get a defence.

[PaulRB 6,377]

2 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Moronic. Even murderers get a defence.

What's to defend? What he did was unjustifiable and indefensible. 

Falling at the feet of the court was his only "honourable" option.

[Sigil 1,001]

3 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Moronic. Even murderers get a defence.

It's not a court of law.

I thought he *might* get 6 downgraded to 5 for the guilty plea.

But please and not you here Jnrmac, but "Melbourne rolling over" is just dumb.

It looked so bad if you don't think 5-6 is reasonable (and forget the attempts at precedent by the bush lawyers) yer dreaming.

[Demonsone 2,042]

1 minute ago, beelzebub said:

A murderer would at least get something of decent effort at a defence. Good ol roll over Melbourne.

Club can't give this anymore oxygen...they need to move on & focus energy on getting best team  on the park & on the next games  to win enough games to play finals ..  

[DemonWA 3,934]

21 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

Bugg made a costly error of judgement.

There's no room in professional sport for assaulting another player in this way. If he'd done that outside the stadium he'd be charged with assault. 

Six weeks for assaulting someone in your workplace is actually grossly inadequate. Only in the delusional bubble that is the AFL can we think 6 weeks for a king hit behind play is unfair. 

'King hit'? Hyperbole! And to be honest a lot of what is done on an AFL field would be classified as assault in 90% of workplaces so any comparison is misguided IMO.

The more I re-watch it, the more I'm convinced Danny Green was fairly spot on. At best it was a misdirected jab at the shoulder region whilst running, at worst an intentional half force jab at the chin. Either way it was not in the same ball park as the full blown uppcut that Hall floored Staker with, which only landed him 1 week more on the side lines.

[No10 461]

2 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

What's to defend? What he did was unjustifiable and indefensible. 

Falling at the feet of the court was his only "honourable" option.

Given Mills instigated, Bugg thought he'd expect and anticipate the return contact. But Mills was completely off-guard.   Was a reflex action, never expected to make solid contact.

Is devastated, knows seriousness of concussion through Gus.

Was in shock after the game but instinct was to immediately apologise, check on Mills' wellbeing.

Still "honourable".  Not trying to say Mills hit his head on the ground, or he was trying to break a tackle.   You'd expect a similar result, probably a week less.   But importantly that narrative is much better than "the incident that will haunt his entire career".

[Wells 11 5,406]

Did I hear on the news that Goodwin also apologised to Longmire? 

I think this is the incident that redefines this kind of stuff in the AFL. I know he's got to cop whats come but I do feel bad for him. Hopefully the boys get around him and hold him strong. He did the wrong thing but he's part of our club. The great MFC.  Enough with the bashing now. 

 

[PaulRB 6,377]

4 minutes ago, No10 said:

Given Mills instigated, Bugg thought he'd expect and anticipate the return contact. But Mills was completely off-guard.   Was a reflex action, never expected to make solid contact.

Is devastated, knows seriousness of concussion through Gus.

Was in shock after the game but instinct was to immediately apologise, check on Mills' wellbeing.

Still "honourable".  Not trying to say Mills hit his head on the ground, or he was trying to break a tackle.   You'd expect a similar result, probably a week less.   But importantly that narrative is much better than "the incident that will haunt his entire career".

Fair enough, he looked remorseful and shocked after he did it. 

He'll be back for finals, wiser and better for it. 

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

4 minutes ago, Wells 11 said:

Did I hear on the news that Goodwin also apologised to Longmire? 

I think this is the incident that redefines this kind of stuff in the AFL. I know he's got to cop whats come but I do feel bad for him. Hopefully the boys get around him and hold him strong. He did the wrong thing but he's part of our club. The great MFC.  Enough with the bashing now. 

 

Lewis on 360 also stated that our leaders rang Mills and Kennedy. 

[DeeSpencer 25,719]

Why the hell did we use this Findlay guy? Didn't he not get Viney off a few years back?
 

Bugg might not be a star but he's an MFC player and on that basis we should've done the best we could to get him the lightest punishment. In my mind that means hiring a decent QC who will present all of the evidence.

All I heard was that Bugg had pled guilty, apologised and was remorseful.

Nothing about:

- No weeks suspended in 94 games
- Mills started it
- Boxing expert Danny Green's comments about the force and intent of the punch
- No intent to cause injury

This was a 4 week suspension that became 6 weeks because it was Friday night footy and the expendable Tomas Bugg and I'm disappointed our club that rolled with that. 
 

[DeeSpencer 25,719]

3 minutes ago, Demon77 said:

Lewis on 360 also stated that our leaders rang Mills and Kennedy. 

Hoping Lewis apologises to all of us soon for stealing our cash.

[Jara 1,153]

3 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Why the hell did we use this Findlay guy? Didn't he not get Viney off a few years back?
 

Bugg might not be a star but he's an MFC player and on that basis we should've done the best we could to get him the lightest punishment. In my mind that means hiring a decent QC who will present all of the evidence.

All I heard was that Bugg had pled guilty, apologised and was remorseful.

Nothing about:

- No weeks suspended in 94 games
- Mills started it
- Boxing expert Danny Green's comments about the force and intent of the punch
- No intent to cause injury

This was a 4 week suspension that became 6 weeks because it was Friday night footy and the expendable Tomas Bugg and I'm disappointed our club that rolled with that. 
 

Well said. 4 became 6 because we are Melbourne.

Imagine what they would have given us had Clerry and Scofield's roles been reversed? 

[PaulRB 6,377]

Hopefully the afl world is growing up and prepared to show more leadership (and less acceptance) of violence that is totally unacceptable in the broader community. 

[Deeoldfart 8,033]

Prima facie, I thought thought Bugg deserved 5 or 6 weeks for his hit on Mills, but I definitely don't think it warranted 2 weeks more than Houli.  Another case of Melbourne being made an example of, I reckon.

[dees189227 12,394]

mmm did lewis ring cripps when he hit him? 

Well if I was Tom Id put my head down and train the house down for the next 6 weeks. Because not only did he let himself down but we don't have him for 6 weeks. 

From what I got out of it I think Tom was not going to make excuses he felt he did the wrong thing and just wanted the punishment and get it out of the way. 

But gee hearing Nathan Jones on the radio today, he is not a happy boy. 

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/nathan-jones-says-tom-bugg-has-burnt-trust-with-the-demons-following-callum-mills-hit-20170703-gx41li.html

[beelzebub 23,380]

43 minutes ago, mauriesy said:

Rubbish. The club would look absolutely stupid trying to defend Bugg in any way. There is nothing to defend.

Rubbish right back.

Its not the legal beagles job in this instance to do the impossible, nor the undeserved. Its his bloody job to get the very best outcome for his client. He's not the judge or jury hes the legal representative for his client.

Bugg has been thrown under the bus so the club can be PC. Thats bullshlt.

I bet you WC would nt have acquiesced so readily, nor Collingwood, Geelong , Hawthorn or Essendon.

Gee I bet Bugg knows who his mates are.