Tommy Bugg on report

[old dee 22,831]

Just now, beelzebub said:

No he wasn't 

More good luck than good judgement bb.

If I was Mills I would sue him for assault. The AFL are gutless they pay lip service.

[old dee 22,831]

3 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Clarry says hi btw 

Two wrongs don't make a right bb.

[beelzebub 22,225]

Just now, old dee said:

More good luck than good judgement bb.

If I was Mills I would sue him for assault. The AFL are gutless they pay lip service.

Immediate defence... provocation.

Mills was clipped by a luck/unlucky punch . You might read the comments by boxer Green. Puts some perspective on it.

No doubt it wasnt the smartest thing to do but i very much doubt any premeditation was involved.. was a reaction to Mills. 

 

[Dees2014 2,377]

1 minute ago, DemonOX said:

What so Bug has snotted someone and suddenly we want to give him 10 weeks and delist him at seasons end. 

Geez settle down imo he will get 4-6 and then earn his spot back in the team. 

People make mistakes and there is nothing wrong with giving him the chance to prove himself again. 

I'm sorry, but until we take a stand on this unprovoked violence it will never end. He has to go otherwise the AFL social responsibility policies are a joke. 

There  is no comparison between Bugg and Houli. Bugg's was a premeditated act of unprovoked violence. Houli was at least in the vicinity of the play and done in response to another player restraining him from getting into the play. There is no comparison. 

I at least do not want thugs playing for the football club I have supported for 50 years. Hard at the ball yes, and uncompromising most definitely, but this is something else. 

I am very much encouraged by the leadership Nathan Jones has displayed on this. Haven't regrettably yet seen anything similar from the coaching staff. 

[old dee 22,831]

2 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Immediate defence... provocation.

Mills was clipped by a luck/unlucky punch . You might read the comments by boxer Green. Puts some perspective on it.

No doubt it wasnt the smartest thing to do but i very much doubt any premeditation was involved.. was a reaction to Mills. 

 

Then he is an even bigger fool than I thought.

Got sucked in and then retaliated  with a danagerous and senseless act.

 

Edited July 4, 2017 by old dee

[beelzebub 22,225]

3 minutes ago, old dee said:

Two wrongs don't make a right bb.

Did i say it did ? 

Just seems no parity is carried across the competition.

[beelzebub 22,225]

2 minutes ago, Dees2014 said:

I'm sorry, but until we take a stand on this unprovoked violence it will never end.

Ill just stop you there . Unprovoked ? 

Dont let the fact ruin your rhetoric.

 

[beelzebub 22,225]

8 minutes ago, old dee said:

Then he is an even bigger fool than I thought.

Got sucked in and then retaliated  with a danagerous and senseless act.

 

He wasn't bright. He certainly over reacted. No argument.

Over reacting seems de riguer for this thread .

[Dees2014 2,377]

14 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Ill just stop you there . Unprovoked ? 

Dont let the fact ruin your rhetoric.

 

BB, sticks and stones will break etc etc.. Bugg should have more sense, and if he doesn't then let's let him go. His football sin was that this single act took a lot of the fire out of our game when it should have been just building. It was an unwanted and unnecessary distraction, as well as being a dastedly act. It also unnecessarily fired up the opposition even more than they were already. 

Edited July 4, 2017 by Dees2014

[sue 8,417]

3 hours ago, Dees2014 said:

We have craved for attention

I don't think so. Most posters seemed keen for us to fly below the radar for as long as possible.  Plus the general feeling that it is a disaster for us to go into a match favourites.

[old dee 22,831]

4 minutes ago, Dees2014 said:

BB, sticks and stones will break etc etc.. Bugg should have more sense, and if he doesn't then let's let him go. His football sin was that this single act took a lot of the fire out of our game when it should have been just building. It was an unwanted and unnecessary distraction, as well as being a dastedly act. 

Yep. Actions like his cost you games. If we ever get to one I don't want Richard craniums like bugg ruining our chances in a Final.

Edited July 4, 2017 by old dee

[Bring-Back-Powell 13,122]

Any chance he gets away with a $1,500 fine with a guilty plea?

[No10 323]

31 minutes ago, old dee said:

More good luck than good judgement bb.

If I was Mills I would sue him for assault. The AFL are gutless they pay lip service.

I have a real problem with this, because on one hand it makes sense, if Brayshaw was concussed by a punch and was forced to retire then he'd have every right.  But can we really expect assault cases from a sporting field?

[beelzebub 22,225]

12 minutes ago, Dees2014 said:

BB, sticks and stones will break etc etc.. Bugg should have more sense, and if he doesn't then let's let him go. His football sin was that this single act took a lot of the fire out of our game when it should have been just building. It was an unwanted and unnecessary distraction, as well as being a dastedly act. It also unnecessarily fired up the opposition even more than they were already. 

So you agree ..he reacted ? Therefore a provocation. Whilst not life threatening in the context of a game of footy it wasn't like he just decided to line up someone and give him a whack......

Again Clarry says hello.

 

[Mickey 4,173]

AFL asking for 7 down to 6

Dees asking for somewhere between 4-6 

[No10 323]

14 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

So you agree ..he reacted ? Therefore a provocation. Whilst not life threatening in the context of a game of footy it wasn't like he just decided to line up someone and give him a whack......

Again Clarry says hello.

 

Defence not going for any defences.  I agree there's a reaction to provocation that could've been put.  Bugg QC seems to think the honest guy approach will net the best result.    I'm guessing 7 down to 6.

[PaulRB 5,915]

Hard for the AFL to make an example of Bugg given it's own issues on that front, I'd guess he'll get 6 down to 5.

[Pates 9,536]

Feel like it'll be 6 weeks. 

[xarronn 380]

35 minutes ago, Dees2014 said:

I'm sorry, but until we take a stand on this unprovoked violence it will never end. He has to go otherwise the AFL social responsibility policies are a joke. 

There  is no comparison between Bugg and Houli. Bugg's was a premeditated act of unprovoked violence. Houli was at least in the vicinity of the play and done in response to another player restraining him from getting into the play. There is no comparison. 

I at least do not want thugs playing for the football club I have supported for 50 years. Hard at the ball yes, and uncompromising most definitely, but this is something else. 

I am very much encouraged by the leadership Nathan Jones has displayed on this. Haven't regrettably yet seen anything similar from the coaching staff. 

In no way am I saying it is the same as a punch to the head or even a punch to the body, but when you say unprovoked violence, - it happens all the time on the field. 

Dees2014, not many stuck up for Bugg on the following occasions, do you class these incidents as unprovoked violence?

Can you remember Easton Wood attacking Bugg before the game even started a couple of weeks ago? No action taken, no question to answer.

Later he was attacked again which resulted in a free kick in front of goals and he came up with scratches and bleeding from the head.

 It seems we do accept unprovoked violence on the football field. In fact there was a distinct sense that many people saw it as entertaining and deserved because Bugg had put up a message on Facebook.

The Farhour incident, seems to have heightened the focus on Bugg as well.

 

[leave it to deever 15,309]

49 minutes ago, Dees2014 said:

I'm sorry, but until we take a stand on this unprovoked violence it will never end. He has to go otherwise the AFL social responsibility policies are a joke. 

There  is no comparison between Bugg and Houli. Bugg's was a premeditated act of unprovoked violence. Houli was at least in the vicinity of the play and done in response to another player restraining him from getting into the play. There is no comparison. 

I at least do not want thugs playing for the football club I have supported for 50 years. Hard at the ball yes, and uncompromising most definitely, but this is something else. 

I am very much encouraged by the leadership Nathan Jones has displayed on this. Haven't regrettably yet seen anything similar from the coaching staff. 

Pretty sure we cant know that was  premeditated. Who knows...only Bugg can say. It was a low act but no one can know what was premeditated or not. To say he cant play for Melb again is extreme. I may not like the guy for this hit but he didnt jump the fence and beat up old some lady in row 12. He is remorseful and from other hits like Hall maybe cop 8 weeks. ( A serious punishment)

[PaulRB 5,915]

Is it just me or does it look like the Swan on the right of Bugg is purely focused on ripping off his jumper (and struggling)?

[leave it to deever 15,309]

Just now, PaulRB said:

Is it just me or does it look like the Swan on the right of Bugg is purely focused on ripping off his jumper (and struggling)?

And damn well enjoying it.

[No10 323]

No argument from Findlay.  Hope Dees don't use him if a player we really need is sent in.

[bing181 8,160]

6 weeks.

 

[bing181 8,160]

Thought there'd be some reduction for his remorse, guilty plea and apology. Maybe there is, but if so, that's a fair whack under the circumstances.