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21 minutes ago, Wunders said:

Garlett, Kent, Hannan, Petracca, Watts & Hogan is now my favorite forward line (i want the forward pressure & i think hannan's skills clearly put him above VDB). Last year Kent was always the guy running from one lose defender to the next (when they had the ball and were switching) and his speed between players helped defensively pressure the kicks like essendon's tipinwoodi (however its spelt).

I don't know if he should come in this week, but i see Kent in the team by the week after if not.

Kent's good at that kind of catch up pressure, but it shows how far off it the forward line was last year, particularly due to the defensive efforts of Hogan and Watts being rather poor and Garlett having some really down weeks. 

What we really want is as soon as the other team gets the ball that all forwards number off straight on to their opponents (not direct opponents but 1 for 1) and then the team doesn't have an outlet. ANB's fitness meant he jumped straight on to Savage, Webster or Roberton or whomever was going to be loose. Jeffy was on his game. Hannan and Petracca have that fast twitch movement to grab a guy and Watts and Hogan have clearly been told to keep on their man. 

Kent's great at chasing someone down but he has to change directions and keep digging in for those first few quick steps to make sure he's on the ball. As a midfielder I think ANB Is faster at recognising play and changing from attacking to defending because that's what midfielders do at stoppages all the time. A bit of time on ball at Casey would probably be good for Kent's development. So many teams now use a midfielder (or multiple mids) at half forward - Kieran Jack, Toby Greene, any number of Bulldogs players etc not just as a rotation spot but in a designated spot due to their ball finding and defensive skills.

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O-Mac had a great passage of play that could have set the scene for our comeback. Check out the lead-up play to Watts's goal. Hunt wins the ball at half back, turns around and kicks it to T-Mac i

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What is FACT is that you stated that Omac is not up to the required standard. For the sake of the argument lets say Goodwin agrees with your assessment of OMac. If that were the case goodwin coul

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Not sure if I watched the same game as the rest of you. Oscar had less howlers than Lewis, Vince and Jones. He's role is the spoil and he did that really well I thought. He's not the most polished pla

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3 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

The merry-go-round will continue on the Oscar debate.

O-Mac gets games because: A) Clearly the coaches believe in his long term success and B) We have nobody else on our list as replacement discounting Frost. (Injured).

Therefore he is an outlier in that he will continue to get games, regardless of immediate form. At any other club, he'd be playing reserves on current form I understand this idea doesn't compute for some posters who continue to defend at all costs. 

But it's the fact of the matter.

He is currently nowhere near the required standard.

Completely disagree about your hypothesis as to why he gets selected and that he 'nowhere near the required standard'. In regard to the latter, with respect, it is complete nonsense to say 'its the fact of the matter'.

Clearly Goodwin shares my opinion as there is no way on god's good earth he would select a player who was 'nowhere near the required standard'. No way. Winning this game was critical. As if they would have selected a player who they thought was not up to AFL standard. Sheesh.

Goodwin selects OMac because he believes he fully deserves his spot. The time has (largely) passed for selecting for the future. The one exception to that rule in my book is Weideman, who is good structurally but is borderline in terms of  being a better selection that Pederson. By the by i'm happy for weeds to be in the side.

Omac can play the zone defense properly and i have no doubt Goodwin was behind his early inclusion last year at the expense of Dunn. 

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Bernie is out, copped 1 week.

In -     Tyson,  Bugg

Out -  Smith,  Vince

 

Edit   -  Bugg in instead of Kent

We need a defensive minded player.

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2 minutes ago, DemonLad5 said:

Our defence is gonna be in big trouble

Lewis and Salem spending more time there might be a blessing in disguise as they'll give us composure but if Tyson and Bugg come in to the midfield then we've lost a bit of class in there. 

Harmes as a like for like Bernie replacement - hard runner, pacey, variable kicking - might be the option instead of Bugg. Or we might try something a little more creative like Brayshaw to half back and Kent at half forward. 

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1 minute ago, DeeSpencer said:

Lewis and Salem spending more time there might be a blessing in disguise as they'll give us composure but if Tyson and Bugg come in to the midfield then we've lost a bit of class in there. 

Harmes as a like for like Bernie replacement - hard runner, pacey, variable kicking - might be the option instead of Bugg. Or we might try something a little more creative like Brayshaw to half back and Kent at half forward. 

Comparing Harmes and Bernie is an insult to Bernie

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6 minutes ago, DemonLad5 said:

Our defence is gonna be in big trouble

Disagree.

  1. Don't think the ball will be down there much for us to worry.
  2. We played 8 defenders against St Kilda and if we do the same here it won't matter.
  3. Carlton's forward line isn't very good at the moment.
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6 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

He's the fake tough guy champion of the league, taking the crown from Lynden Dunn who is now the VFL champ after his Lin Jong efforts in the VFL grand final. $1.01 he drops a mark or fumbles a ground ball under pressure in the coming weeks.

He was a good contributor on the weekend, don't let your preconceptions get in the way DeeSpen

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1 minute ago, stynewillalwaysbeonthevine said:

Does anyone have any factual information on the length of injuries to hibberd, Wagner and frost?

 

Hibberd and Wags still a few weeks away, no idea if Frost played VFL on the weekend

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13 minutes ago, DemonLad5 said:

Hibberd and Wags still a few weeks away, no idea if Frost played VFL on the weekend

Apparently not. Was mentioned somewhere here re the Casey game. Don't quote me though. Whatever happened, I'd be very surprised if Frost was ready.

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17 minutes ago, stynewillalwaysbeonthevine said:

Does anyone have any factual information on the length of injuries to hibberd, Wagner and frost?

 

Wagner back training but will need a couple of weeks. Hibberd has an archilles problem, due to restart training, will also need a couple of weeks. Then, both will need games at Casey. Hard to see them being ready inside a month.

Frost is close to resuming, was half-expected at Casey on the weekend, presumable will start playing again next week. But as above, then needs match fitness.

Info on the site from last week, imagine we'll get an update over the next couple of days, together with news on Smith, but his looks much more long-term.

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Just looking at the stats from Round 1. Docherty and Simpson were 12th and 13th in the AFL for metres gained with 598 and 594 metres respectively. The best Melbourne player was Petracca with 437 metres. I guess it depends on gamestyle (which might explain why we are lower due to the higher number of shorter kicks and sharing it around) but if we can limit the influence of these two (defensive forward) the Blues will find it hard to get the ball into their forward half. Who's up for the job? ANB and Hannan? Or Bugg comes in for Smith/Bernie?

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