Changes vs. West Coast

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18 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

Wow, I didn't think Demonland could get so pessimistic as to start writing off Oliver, but I was wrong.

You can never set the bar too low around here.

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1 hour ago, Petraccattack said:

 

 

Had a look on Footywire. Last win vs Eagles in Perth was in 2002...  bloody hell.

Our last win in Perth was in 2004. That was against Freo.  WC are vulnerable this season but are still flat track bullies at home and they just love tearing us up. I predict ugly.

[John Crow Batty 8,266]

WC  are  8-1 this season at home.  Only beaten  by Adelaide.  Average winning margin is 63 points. They beat St Kilda  by 103 points. 

Edited July 19, 2016 by america de cali

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I would be studying the tape from Blues v Eagles game, they managed to limit their forward line damage and put them under pressure. Otherwise it will be death by a 1,000 cuts and very hard to watch!!! Go Dee's

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I don't have strong views about the selections. My only strong feeling is that we need fresh legs, fresh minds and inclusion of players who have been performing at Casey.  We need desperate players and lots of run. 

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2 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

Had a look on Footywire. Last win vs Eagles in Perth was in 2002...  bloody hell.

That was the same year we last beat St Kilda at Etihad.

[FireInTheBennelly 4,025]

Wet toast are very gettable this year, and gettable this week. Unfortunately though, our team has far too many takers and not enough getters. No chance!

Some may not like it but I think Jones needs to be rested. He doesn't look right, and if it has anything to do with his neck stuff from last year, with finals out of play, perhaps he should sit out the remainder and get himself right for next year. Gives someone a chance to play his role and see if we can develop them into greater options next year. Talking ANB,  Oliver, Michie, Brayshaw.

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Miss the rest of the year?? So many players would be carrying niggles at this time of year.  We need to win as many games as possible not rest players 

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Like I said, IF it's his neck again whatever they did last year hasn't completely resolved it and I'd rather put energy into next years campaign than salvage anything minor from this one.

He clearly isn't right and has been off for several weeks now. I'm surprised his neck hasn't snapped completely after single-handedly carrying this club over the last few years.

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6 hours ago, america de cali said:

WC  are  8-1 this season at home.  Only beaten  by Adelaide.  Average winning margin is 63 points. They beat St Kilda  by 103 points. 

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4 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

 

ET., I bet not even Lloyd Christmas himself would give the Dees a chance this week. 

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10 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

There's a few points:

1. Let's absolutely maximise a positive in the ruck by having 2 rucks v Lycett and Mitch Brown.

2. We need another forward marking target on the long Subi ground. If Hogan and Watts both get up the field there won't be anyone to kick to

3. West Coast's zone defending is their strength and Hogan and Watts up the ground in play can find gaps in that zone. Spencer/Gawn can do the grunt work setting up for the kick down the line.

4. May as well have a look at Spencer now given he's still contracted for next year and Gawn could do with a light week especially given the travel.

Points 1 + 2 were how we beat Geelong in Geelong last year.

Spot on. The West Coast defenders aren't super quick either, but they're organised. That organisation won't really matter if we can kick it on Spencer's head from time to time and he plucks them like he did in Geelong. We have to play Spencer, IMO.

9 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

Had a look on Footywire. Last win vs Eagles in Perth was in 2002...  bloody hell.

I turn 30 next year. We won our last game there when I was in Year 9. Haha, how are there any of us Demons left?

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9 hours ago, FireInTheBelly said:

Wet toast are very gettable this year, and gettable this week. Unfortunately though, our team has far too many takers and not enough getters. No chance!

Some may not like it but I think Jones needs to be rested. He doesn't look right, and if it has anything to do with his neck stuff from last year, with finals out of play, perhaps he should sit out the remainder and get himself right for next year. Gives someone a chance to play his role and see if we can develop them into greater options next year. Talking ANB,  Oliver, Michie, Brayshaw.

What exactly didn't look right for Jones against Adel - his best game for the year - or against Freo?

One poor game is a bit of a leap.

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I think Spencer should play. Allows Gawn to play more forward minutes and allows Watts to stay at home thus keeping our forward structure. Roos has said that he will reward VFL form and Jake has performed consistently well. Further to that I would also like ANB to play and be given the opportunity to play inside mid where he has dominated in the twos. I don't see the point in playing him forward or in a wing. 

Changes

In: Frost, Spencer and ANB

Out: White, Grimes, Kennedy 

With N Jones and Vince rotating between HF and HB

Edited July 19, 2016 by Steve13

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12 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

What exactly didn't look right for Jones against Adel - his best game for the year - or against Freo?

One poor game is a bit of a leap.

Its a really good point actually. Injuries aside, Id love to know what makes such a difference in a players game output from one week to the next.

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I am hoping for another bounce back after a bad game, which we did after Essendon loss and Sydney loss - albeit close losing margins to NM in Tas and Adelaide.

This is also probably our last realistic chance of beating a team in the eight since Rd 1 as WC has been in poor form - although at home they have usually been pretty handy.

Everyone has the two obvious changes - White looked out of his depth and poor old Grimes did what Roosy must have been wishing he'd do. Sadly that's almost certainly the last game we'll see Grimesy, although hopefully he leads Casey to the VFL flag this year and I almost wish he kicks the winning goal against us next year when we play Richmond - given how shabbily we treated him this season.

The two easy ins for me are Frost and Stretch.

Frosty was ill last week and his pace down back was missed. We all know he's a bit awakward with his kicking at times, but he's a developing backman FFS.

I still can't believe Billy was given the cold shoulder last week - I have him down for three super games this year - the Dogs, Lions and Adelaide -  not bad for a 19yo. He may not have had that much of it against Freo but I can't remember any howlers or non-team moments. He runs, makes space and as we saw against Adelaide can help out down back when required and his tackling ability is now a feature. I am assuming they rested him because he's a kid and would hope that he's cherry ripe again this week in the eyes of selectors. I've said this before he's already a way better player than Matt Jones, it just beats me that we are preferring a fringe 28yo who is fast but is unable to use it to score a goal, to a likely future regular who is 19.

Then the other two changes I'd be hoping for are as follows.

The first is to get Spencer in. His form in the VFL is great and he can match a fellow meat and potatoes ruckman like Lycett, which allows Gawn to rest a little more up front this week, where he has been quite damaging at doing. Both Spencer and Gawn are hard to match up on because of their height and will force the Eagles defence into a mismatch. It also allows them both a bit more rest time on what is a huge ground for a ruckamn. The other factor I don't get is why if Adelaide is playing four tall forwards we aren't copying them a bit - I mean we are trying to replicate their run and gun style already, so how we go with a gameplan of just two key forwards - Hogan and Watts - each week is mindboggling. I've said it before, sometimes you need to go down the line as Adelaide do so well to Tex and Jenkins because all your switches are covered. But what hope do we have when Hoges and Watts are our only line options and one is off or playing in the ruck in Wattsy's case. Hopefully Roosy we saw what happens last week when they got injured and Petracca and VB were our marking targets! The Spencer move does require a structural change, but just as it did against the Hawks when the good Dawes played - it gives us an outlet and surpise, surprise almost every club is doing it - Sydney aren't but that's because they have injuries to Tippett and Reid - not because they want to go small. 

The second change is to either reward Neal-Bullen for his VFL form and play him bang in the middle, or to bring in Oliver in as a development move. Some are arguing for Bugg to come in and that wouldn't surprise as he's a direct like-for-like replacment for Grimes, but he was just OK last week. But I'd rather that he comes back in after a dominant VFL game, not just a good one. Viv also keeps playing well in the magoos and is also some chance but I can't see that many changes, although if we wanted to go small then O.Mac is the obvious candidate.

The guys whom would make way are:

VB - firstly I love the way he plays and his hardness is already legendary. But given that I know he was the second quickest guy at the club in summer and he now looks like he's not in the top 10 for speed you have to wonder two things. Is he struggling for overall fitness because of the limited interchange or is he struggling because his ankle keeps flaring up. Personally I'd rest him up for this one and get some decent running training into him without soreness in the hope that he can produce a couple of rippers against the Suns and Hawks. He definitely is a best 22 player when fit - but he almost looked jetlagged last week and without his chasing pace, his major value is lost.

Kennedy or Matt Jones - I was a bit shocked when Kennedy played last week because I thought we'd learn our lesson from the previous clash with the Saints, that there's not as many ground-ball gets for small forwards at Etihad Stadium but alas we did not. Assuming the pace of Stretch is back in, then we can afford to omit one of these two guys, and whilst I'd rather see the left foot and courage of Kennedy on the wing or half-forward, I know the club sees amazing things in Matt Mediocre Jones (even if I can't see any).

The key tactical moves that I'd love to see this week are:

1)  Play Bernie on the wing on Gaff. Gaff has struggled with the harder tag this year and Bernie is just the sort of guy to get under his skin and from a wing, will be more likely to get a few kicks from around the 50m mark than when he's used as a defender. Gaff is mega fit and fast, but he's not explosive quick - hence Bernie should be able to counter him. 

2) Play Viney on Shuey - Shuey's been in hot form, so our best midfielder has to go to him and quell him just like last week when he had the Steven matchup. Jonesy can go head-to-head with Priddis - it's always harder for an umpire to give soft free kicks away for tackles that slip up against a captain, so that will make it harder for Mr Brownlow to get more than three softies - although the crowd will want 10.

3) Make Spencer a late inclusion for surprise value and then send him in for the first bounce. Lycett will be preparing all week to jump in early against Gawny and sometimes a coach has to come up with things that make it harder to plan against. I get so frustrated when we go in without any match-up surprises - but that is Roosy's way I guess.

So side as follows and this assumes Hoges has pulled up OK:

Out: Grimes, White, Kennedy and VB (but name him and make him a late withdrawal for Spencer).

In: Frost, Stretch, Spencer, Neal-Bullen (or Oliver)

B: Jetta (Hill) T-Mac (Kennedy) LeCras (Frost)

HB: Hunt (Cripps) O-Mac (Darling) Wagner (Yeo or whoever is sixth forward)

C: Vince (Gaff) Viney (Shuey) Stretch

HF: Watts Hoges Petracca

F: Garlett Gawn Kent

Ru: Spencer  (Spencil early, then Gawn for most of second half) N.Jones (Priddis) Neal-Bullen

Int: Tyson, Brayshaw (to go straight to Wellingham and get into him verbally for being a dirrty [censored] last year), M.Jones and Harmes

Name VB in side but don't take him and don't play him in VFL - get him fit. Take Michie as 23rd and if it's majorly wet (unlikely), omit O-mac or Frost for him.

 

 

 

Edited July 20, 2016 by Deespicable
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[John Demonic 4,837]

Changes v West Coast = Experiment time.

How about we throw a forward in defence for a large majority of the game? Watts or Hogan. Or bring in Pedo. As they 'drop back' when theres a few minutes with a quarter to go in order to create a holding on type strategy already, Why not see how they go for a large portion of a match to provide McDonald with some extra grunt down back against the Eagles forward line. We know next year we're guaranteed to have the Salem/Melksham/Hiberd types down there, but we have no guarantee of a Hurley type player coming in, or stepping up from our youthful ranks. So we need to act now.  

So how about Hogan or Watts playing a defensive role all game? Free up some space for Garlett to run around in and capitalise on the work a stronger holding defence can give us?

 

 

Edited July 20, 2016 by johndemons

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38 minutes ago, johndemons said:

Changes v West Coast = Experiment time.

How about we throw a forward in defence for a large majority of the game? Watts or Hogan. Or bring in Pedo. As they 'drop back' when theres a few minutes with a quarter to go in order to create a holding on type strategy already, Why not see how they go for a large portion of a match to provide McDonald with some extra grunt down back against the Eagles forward line. We know next year we're guaranteed to have the Salem/Melksham/Hiberd types down there, but we have no guarantee of a Hurley type player coming in, or stepping up from our youthful ranks. So we need to act now.  

So how about Hogan or Watts playing a defensive role all game? Free up some space for Garlett to run around in and capitalise on the work a stronger holding defence can give us?

 

 

Experiment time with our key position players is over. 

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32 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Experiment time with our key position players is over. 

I thought we'd been experimenting all year with our CHB/FB combo. There's no use having the opposition score on us unrelentingly and our two best players with two of the most developed bodies sitting in the forward line watching the ball stay down one end.

Edited July 20, 2016 by johndemons

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On 19/07/2016 at 4:52 PM, america de cali said:

WC  are  8-1 this season at home.  Only beaten  by Adelaide.  Average winning margin is 63 points. They beat St Kilda  by 103 points. 

Probsbly no point playing the game at all. Afterall we already know the result.

Better call the AFL and tell them Demonland has spoken 

Afterall nothing good ever happens to the Dees. Also while you're on the phone with Gil tell him dont worry abour port in radelaide or cats in Geelong as nothing good has ever happened to the MFC there either 

Why waste everyones time with these pointless games

Edited July 20, 2016 by Unleash Hell

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2 minutes ago, Unleash Hell said:

Probsbly no point playing the game at all. Afterall we already know the result.

Better call the AFL and tell thrm Demonland has spoken 

Bloodlust will be sated in Perth this weekend. May be safe to walk the streets on Saturday night over there.

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Ill be tucked up safely innbed mate. Dont u worry 

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On 18 July 2016 at 1:32 PM, Ruzz63Ron said:

Agree - cannot work out what Dunn has done so wrong. Roos made him Vice Captain and now refuses to play him - maybe he has had a crack at Tammie. Starting to remind me of when Daniher wouldn't play Lamb.

That's because Chris Lamb was a poor VFL standard player and Dunn's not doing what he's been asked to do.

 

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Roos stated in his presser were likely to bring Dawes back, ANB is in the mix & Oliver likely another week in VFL.

Why the f*** would we bring Dawes back, didnt even play in the VFL last week. Would much prefer to reward Spencer & play two rucks. Allowing Watts to stay permenant forward & Gawn to play more forward aswell... 

Edited July 21, 2016 by JV7

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9 minutes ago, JV7 said:

Roos stated in his presser were likely to bring Dawes back, ANB is in the mix & Oliver likely another week in VFL.

Why the f*** would we bring Dawes back, didnt even play in the VFL last week. Would much prefer to reward Spencer & play two rucks. Allowing Watts to stay permenant forward & Gawn to play more forward aswell... 

Can't believe I am about to say this, as I was very vocal about this not ever happening again.. but, I would rather move TMAC to CHF than bring in Dawes!!