POST MATCH DISCUSSION

[Undeeterred 2,889]

14 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

First Quarter killed us. 8 Goals to nil

takes a lot of energy to even the scores or edge in front

WHY DO WE ALWAYS START SO BADLY??

I still worry about our Captain and i know people on here will hammer me, but he gets silenced too easily...

 

You're a muppet. Did you not notice the 9 goal quarter going the other way?

Did you even watch?

[Undeeterred 2,889]

14 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

First Quarter killed us. 8 Goals to nil

takes a lot of energy to even the scores or edge in front

WHY DO WE ALWAYS START SO BADLY??

I still worry about our Captain and i know people on here will hammer me, but he gets silenced too easily...

 

You're a muppet. Did you not notice the 9 goal quarter going the other way?

Did you even watch?

[Nasher 33,178]

21 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

First Quarter killed us. 8 Goals to nil

takes a lot of energy to even the scores or edge in front

WHY DO WE ALWAYS START SO BADLY??

I still worry about our Captain and i know people on here will hammer me, but he gets silenced too easily...

 

It was 8 goals to 2 and in the first half the "breeze" (wind) definitely favoured one end.  At the ground it was clear those kicking to the river end were kicking worm burners (not to mention hoofing goals from outside 50) while the team going the other way were constantly kicking unmarkable floaters.  I am presuming you saw the second quarter as well?

The breeze died down at half time and was much less of a factor in the second half.  

[Sir Why You Little 35,114]

8 minutes ago, Undeeterred said:

You're a muppet. Did you not notice the 9 goal quarter going the other way?

Did you even watch?

Takes more energy being on the back foot

We always start badly. Fix that and Roos may well have a side

as long as the team play with the intensity it can turn on...

[Jumping Jack Clennett 1,637]

Umpiring:

What about the Goldstein free at the centre bounce when the ump. bounced it badly, Gawn had to run 6m. to compete, and touched Goldstein.? Should have been a re bounce. No.. a free , then a mysterious 50m., and... a goal!

What about the ruck infringement against Gawn when he was in front, didn't touch Gold... FREE! Goal against the wind.

Deliberate against Vince when he obviously tried to find a team mate with a handball while under pressure.....goal to Gibson.Similar ones not paid against North.

The Goldstein goal on the goal line. Replayed to determine if the ball  touched the post. But we needed a replay to see if it had already crossed the line before that.

Harmes' clear, inspiring mark, dead in front. He got a goal soon after with sheer guts, so perhaps that one didn't cost us.

2 goals to North against the wind resulting from definite and obvious throws

We must teach our players two detestable skills that Harvey has mastered and taught his team mates. 1./  Duck when tackled to get the free.2/. Dive forwards and flat when tackled from behind to get the "in the back". Don't try to break the tackle.

That's about 6 goals they didn't deserve.

The better, more deserving side ,lost.

 

[Deeoldfart 7,828]

Mixed emotions from me tonight.  A strange mix of pride in my team for their effort and 'never-say-die' attitude, anger at some of the umpiring decisions and disappointment at the final result.  

At the end of the day we were right in the match until the very last kick, and were only just beaten by a physically stronger and more experienced Top 4 contender playing on their own dung heap ............. but with a little more composure in the last 10 minutes would have won against all the odds.

We made a positive statement today.  The task ahead of us is to bring the same attitude and ferocity to the G next Sunday, and make Buckley's start to the season even worse.  Get it done Dees!

[ding 5,126]

49 minutes ago, Dee Dee Ramone said:

Keep your money. I will buy two memberships if you promise to find a another team.

 

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Where is Ding? He adds so much to the debate. 

And the contribution to this thread from you has been ,    what, ... nothing.

 

We lost.. Deal with it.

 

Edited April 10, 2016 by ding

[lucifer 119]

I don't think it's any coincidence that when we were level in the last, and Gawn had to come off for a rest and Frost took the ruck duties, we were exposed for about 4 minutes and they got three quick goals. Frost is not a ruckman, nor is he a forward. Not sure who the other option is in the ruck, but it's not him. 

[Je Roos Salem 661]

1 minute ago, lucifer said:

I don't think it's any coincidence that when we were level in the last, and Gawn had to come off for a rest and Frost took the ruck duties, we were exposed for about 4 minutes and they got three quick goals. Frost is not a ruckman, nor is he a forward. Not sure who the other option is in the ruck, but it's not him. 

Our second option in the ruck is Gawn on his hunches

[qarocks 101]

Watts pass, turnover goal.

Vanders miss.

Bugg shite pass to Stretch.

Even with all the umpiring issues, we should have won it off our own boot. Just really, really hope we can continue and smash Richmond and the Pies. 

 

[Nasher 33,178]

3 minutes ago, ding said:

We lost.. Deal with it.

LOL!

There's only one person commenting in this thread so far that seems unable to deal with the fact that we lost.

[dazzledavey36 49,541]

Ok here is my take on the game with the Negatives and positives..

Negatives:

7 goal first qtr to North. Simply cannot allow that to happen to a team like North.

Watts decision to pass it off killed the momentum we had going in the last qtr. Turn over and they go down the other end for an easy goal. Back yourself jack! We all know you can kick it FFS..

Vandenberg's miss was another costly one. Just have to kick those.. Suffering 2nd year blues. I feel he is stagnant up forward.. Get him into the midfield to use his physicality and strength around the contests.

Sorry but Frost is currently in my 'Spud' catergory.. he is useless and just your typical dumb athlete with no football smarts. Either play him down back or don't play him at all because giving up a 2nd rounder is now proving to be a bad decision atm. Dropping Pedo for him was a very poor decision. At least Pedo can ruck and take a mark.

Bugg was poor again today. His footskills is Matt Jones of 2015.. made poor decisions and just rushes it often without looking.

And last one is umpires absolutely killed it for us. The Harmes mark, Vince miss handball to Jetta is paid a deliberate on the full WTF! Players ducking and still getting frees, Thomas front on contact with Stretch.. the list goes on!

Demonland crashing the whole game and bit after the game as well. Very frustrating!

 

Positives:

Oliver.. wowee his mind is one step ahead of the game. His awarness and ability to dish off the quick handball is so so good. Those goals were so classy.

Gawn won the duel for me. Umpires gifted Goldy with about 3 of the softest free kicks.. His last 2 weeks were poor but today he stamped himself as a genuine elite ruckman. Just reminding the AFL that he is still a force to beckon with.

This was by far Lumumba's best game in red and blue. takes the game on and i thought his disposal was much better. Thought he won some crucial one on ones too.

Jetta is another who was simply rock solid down back. Took some real solid marks and used it well. Just a typical solid performance from Jetts.

Viney and Hogan bounced back from their ordinary performance from last week. Hopefully this is the confidence Hogan needs.

Harmes was seriously stiff with thag mark. But his tackling and forward pressure was first class. Getting better each game. 

Salem's best game this year so far. Played more attacking this week and took the game when needed to. Won some crucial one on ones as well.

Our ball movement and spread was much better this week. That bit of play where Salem was streaming through the middle and drilled an absolute ball breaker onto the hands of Hogan was best bit of play i have seen in a long time.

We must bring this same intensity and intent next week. After todays performance players can take alot of positive out of this but i just hope they are angry all week and play with some anger and grit against the filth.

 

 

[sue 8,485]

How rich does a club have to be to allow the coach/president/boot-cleaner make comments on umpiring?  Perhaps we could get away with "if we were a bigger club,we'd have asked about the umpiring, but as it is we'd never comment".

[jnrmac 19,387]

13 minutes ago, Jumping Jack Clennett said:

Umpiring:

What about the Goldstein free at the centre bounce when the ump. bounced it badly, Gawn had to run 6m. to compete, and touched Goldstein.? Should have been a re bounce. No.. a free , then a mysterious 50m., and... a goal!

What about the ruck infringement against Gawn when he was in front, didn't touch Gold... FREE! Goal against the wind.

Deliberate against Vince when he obviously tried to find a team mate with a handball while under pressure.....goal to Gibson.Similar ones not paid against North.

The Goldstein goal on the goal line. Replayed to determine if the ball  touched the post. But we needed a replay to see if it had already crossed the line before that.

Harmes' clear, inspiring mark, dead in front. He got a goal soon after with sheer guts, so perhaps that one didn't cost us.

2 goals to North against the wind resulting from definite and obvious throws

We must teach our players two detestable skills that Harvey has mastered and taught his team mates. 1./  Duck when tackled to get the free.2/. Dive forwards and flat when tackled from behind to get the "in the back". Don't try to break the tackle.

That's about 6 goals they didn't deserve.

The better, more deserving side ,lost.

 

That was a point as soon as he played on and touched the post.

[Chris 2,892]

3 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Ok here is my take on the game with the Negatives and positives..

Negatives:

7 goal first qtr to North. Simply cannot allow that to happen to a team like North.

Watts decision to pass it off killed the momentum we had going in the last qtr. Turn over and they go down the other end for an easy goal. Back yourself jack! We all know you can kick it FFS..

Vandenberg's miss was another costly one. Just have to kick those.. Suffering 2nd year blues. I feel he is stagnant up forward.. Get him into the midfield to use his physicality and strength around the contests.

Sorry but Frost is currently in my 'Spud' catergory.. he is useless and just your typical dumb athlete with no football smarts. Either play him down back or don't play him at all because giving up a 2nd rounder is now proving to be a bad decision atm. Dropping Pedo for him was a very poor decision. At least Pedo can ruck and take a mark.

Bugg was poor again today. His footskills is Matt Jones of 2015.. made poor decisions and just rushes it often without looking.

And last one is umpires absolutely killed it for us. The Harmes mark, Vince miss handball to Jetta is paid a deliberate on the full WTF! Players ducking and still getting frees, Thomas front on contact with Stretch.. the list goes on!

Demonland crashing the whole game and bit after the game as well. Very frustrating!

 

Positives:

Oliver.. wowee his mind is one step ahead of the game. His awarness and ability to dish off the quick handball is so so good. Those goals were so classy.

Gawn won the duel for me. Umpires gifted Goldy with about 3 of the softest free kicks.. His last 2 weeks were poor but today he stamped himself as a genuine elite ruckman. Just reminding the AFL that he is still a force to beckon with.

This was by far Lumumba's best game in red and blue. takes the game on and i thought his disposal was much better. Thought he won some crucial one on ones too.

Jetta is another who was simply rock solid down back. Took some real solid marks and used it well. Just a typical solid performance from Jetts.

Viney and Hogan bounced back from their ordinary performance from last week. Hopefully this is the confidence Hogan needs.

Harmes was seriously stiff with thag mark. But his tackling and forward pressure was first class. Getting better each game. 

Salem's best game this year so far. Played more attacking this week and took the game when needed to. Won some crucial one on ones as well.

Our ball movement and spread was much better this week. That bit of play where Salem was streaming through the middle and drilled an absolute ball breaker onto the hands of Hogan was best bit of play i have seen in a long time.

We must bring this same intensity and intent next week. After todays performance players can take alot of positive out of this but i just hope they are angry all week and play with some anger and grit against the filth.

 

 

One of the biggest positives for mine was that the players looked like someone had shot their dog at the end of the game. They didn't seem content with their effort, they were not satisfied, they wanted that win. 

I am used to seeing the players all falorn after a loss but this seemed different, it seemed to hurt more for them. Hopefully will provide the impetuous for the next few weeks. 

[Bang Bang Bang 5,574]

The Watts to Hogan turnover was atrocious. Even if Hogan took the mark he would have been on the exact same angle as Watts was. If it was Viney or someone that's not renowned for their goal kicking I could understand it but Watts is our best kick for goal. Hogan probably shouldn't have lead. Anyway they both had good games today so prepared to forgive them both but I hope that incident is scrutinised by the coaches on Monday.

[chook fowler 18,452]

2 minutes ago, sue said:

How rich does a club have to be to allow the coach/president/boot-cleaner make comments on umpiring?  Perhaps we could get away with "if we were a bigger club,we'd have asked about the umpiring, but as it is we'd never comment".

Roos made several references to frees in his presser which makes me think he is [censored] off. Hopefully they will ask for a please explain from the umpiring bosses. 

[Scipio 5,896]

I saw three instances where North players blatantly threw the ball to their team mates, and two of those resulted directly in goals. Funnily enough the umpires called them out too. The whole throwing business is becoming a farce and the umpires seem as though either don't care, or can't keep up with it. 

North are the biggest culprits in the league, along with Hawthorn.

[Demonised 1,227]

I've watched the last few seconds of the game again and again and I can't see how Billy Stretch didn't get a free for the front on spoil .

[Scipio 5,896]

2 minutes ago, Sylvia Saint said:

The Watts to Hogan turnover was atrocious. Even if Hogan took the mark he would have been on the exact same angle as Watts was. If it was Viney or someone that's not renowned for their goal kicking I could understand it but Watts is our best kick for goal. Hogan probably shouldn't have lead. Anyway they both had good games today so prepared to forgive them both but I hope that incident is scrutinised by the coaches on Monday.

Ridiculous. When the best kick in the side has the ball 40 out from goal, you'd hope he would have a shot. Unfortunately not.

[manny100 1,087]

We lost so it was crap. The  positives were we showed a little heart, we matched North whose hard at it big bodied mids used to scare the crap out of ours - no longer, there are several players to fight there way into the team over the next week - 2 months - Trengove, Petracca (can take in turns with Hoges for the decoy role - only half joking), O Mac, Garlett, Dawes. Pederson is stuck in the revolving door with Frost and look to be joined by Dawes soon. ANB will surely eventually get back in if he keeps his form up.

[Scipio 5,896]

Special mention to Max Gawn who was exceptional today. Let Goldstein off the leash early but with a whopping 63 hitouts, towelled him up at the stoppages. Max is well on the way to establishing himself as one of the best ruck men in the game and I bloody love him.

[Wells 11 4,917]

I haven't read through all the pages here but does any one know if the siren sounded just BEFORE stretch kicked or if he had kicked that it would have stood?  I know he's a young kid but that was shite miss...as was Vanders, Hogans and Watts's all in the last. It was game so full of positives for us, on every level. but I still feel so shattered by it. 

[Chris 2,892]

3 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Ok here is my take on the game with the Negatives and positives..

Negatives:

7 goal first qtr to North. Simply cannot allow that to happen to a team like North.

Watts decision to pass it off killed the momentum we had going in the last qtr. Turn over and they go down the other end for an easy goal. Back yourself jack! We all know you can kick it FFS..

Vandenberg's miss was another costly one. Just have to kick those.. Suffering 2nd year blues. I feel he is stagnant up forward.. Get him into the midfield to use his physicality and strength around the contests.

Sorry but Frost is currently in my 'Spud' catergory.. he is useless and just your typical dumb athlete with no football smarts. Either play him down back or don't play him at all because giving up a 2nd rounder is now proving to be a bad decision atm. Dropping Pedo for him was a very poor decision. At least Pedo can ruck and take a mark.

Bugg was poor again today. His footskills is Matt Jones of 2015.. made poor decisions and just rushes it often without looking.

And last one is umpires absolutely killed it for us. The Harmes mark, Vince miss handball to Jetta is paid a deliberate on the full WTF! Players ducking and still getting frees, Thomas front on contact with Stretch.. the list goes on!

Demonland crashing the whole game and bit after the game as well. Very frustrating!

 

Positives:

Oliver.. wowee his mind is one step ahead of the game. His awarness and ability to dish off the quick handball is so so good. Those goals were so classy.

Gawn won the duel for me. Umpires gifted Goldy with about 3 of the softest free kicks.. His last 2 weeks were poor but today he stamped himself as a genuine elite ruckman. Just reminding the AFL that he is still a force to beckon with.

This was by far Lumumba's best game in red and blue. takes the game on and i thought his disposal was much better. Thought he won some crucial one on ones too.

Jetta is another who was simply rock solid down back. Took some real solid marks and used it well. Just a typical solid performance from Jetts.

Viney and Hogan bounced back from their ordinary performance from last week. Hopefully this is the confidence Hogan needs.

Harmes was seriously stiff with thag mark. But his tackling and forward pressure was first class. Getting better each game. 

Salem's best game this year so far. Played more attacking this week and took the game when needed to. Won some crucial one on ones as well.

Our ball movement and spread was much better this week. That bit of play where Salem was streaming through the middle and drilled an absolute ball breaker onto the hands of Hogan was best bit of play i have seen in a long time.

We must bring this same intensity and intent next week. After todays performance players can take alot of positive out of this but i just hope they are angry all week and play with some anger and grit against the filth.

 

 

One of the biggest positives for mine was that the players looked like someone had shot their dog at the end of the game. They didn't seem content with their effort, they were not satisfied, they wanted that win. 

I am used to seeing the players all falorn after a loss but this seemed different, it seemed to hurt more for them. Hopefully will provide the impetuous for the next few weeks. 

[jules7 722]

23 minutes ago, Jumping Jack Clennett said:

Umpiring:

What about the Goldstein free at the centre bounce when the ump. bounced it badly, Gawn had to run 6m. to compete, and touched Goldstein.? Should have been a re bounce. No.. a free , then a mysterious 50m., and... a goal!

What about the ruck infringement against Gawn when he was in front, didn't touch Gold... FREE! Goal against the wind.

Deliberate against Vince when he obviously tried to find a team mate with a handball while under pressure.....goal to Gibson.Similar ones not paid against North.

The Goldstein goal on the goal line. Replayed to determine if the ball  touched the post. But we needed a replay to see if it had already crossed the line before that.

Harmes' clear, inspiring mark, dead in front. He got a goal soon after with sheer guts, so perhaps that one didn't cost us.

2 goals to North against the wind resulting from definite and obvious throws

We must teach our players two detestable skills that Harvey has mastered and taught his team mates. 1./  Duck when tackled to get the free.2/. Dive forwards and flat when tackled from behind to get the "in the back". Don't try to break the tackle.

That's about 6 goals they didn't deserve.

The better, more deserving side ,lost.

 

Well said!