Training - Friday 12th June, 2015

[Gator 17,506]

A pies supporter who's opinion I rate said, in 12 months time Hogan will smash Oxley and anyone who stands in the hole like that.

Also said Frost did well to nudge him under the ball but that won't happen to hogan again for a full game, he reckons Hogan would have learnt.

Two things he said I agreed with was Hogan looked like he will play on the edge for his career and be a bloody good player but said Brayshaw will be a star.

Here's an opinion from someone I rate... Hogan will be a star of the competition.

[Yossarian 1,820]

Here's an opinion from someone I rate... Hogan will be a star of the competition.

[monoccular 17,596]

Yeah that's my point. It's not a new tactic, it's just strange to see it countered so poorly. FIGJAM couldn't believe it worked so well for so long, especially using a fringe player. Oxley did very little when he wasn't playing as the spare.

Yep, but my point is that manning him up would have been counterproductive.

How about just kicking it where he ain't?!?!

[rjay 25,161]

How about just kicking it where he ain't?!?!

I would think this is a pretty good tactic...

[McQueen 17,867]

Here's an opinion from someone I rate... Hogan will be a star of the competition.

And that's why I started the Incredible Hulk thread.

I'm humbled.

[dpositive 1,744]

Bit cold so got there at around 1030 & left after 40 mins. Interestingly numbers were really low..24 or 25 players only. Thought there might have been a tragic bus accident on the way to training! Realised after a little while that it was only the squad for Sun that seemed to be out there.

I was told that there were a couple of others out there earlier but they'd gone by the time I arrived - except Spencer. Anyway, on reflection, it makes sense to try some practice with only the people you'll be playing with, I guess.

Also noteworthy, I thought, was Goodwin pairing up JW & Toumpas to practice hard tackling on each other and also competitive high marking. Given that these are two players that might over-think their performances, it was good to see them get some special attention.

Nothing else noticed by me except Tyson looks better for the break.

I am almost reluctant to ask but given that Toumpas and JW are mentioned what about the rest of the squad.

If you watched last night Port andCats played at an intensity that would be foreign to most of our squad.

While it might be pleasing that Roos bellowed at them at one stage (reported by TDI) the players running around within their own comfort zonemaynotbe the best training. I have a lot of faith in Roos, the coaching team and the players but have seen them fail to impose and react to pressure. They need to learn this and apply their fitness and skill under pressure.

Was there an appreciable level of intensity at this training session?

[Whispering_Jack 30,756]

Congratulations TDI on landing your new job. I hope you have a considerate boss who gives you a flexible enough timetable to allow the odd visit to Gosch's Paddock

[Wormburner 674]

Congratulations TDI on landing your new job. I hope you have a considerate boss who gives you a flexible enough timetable to allow the odd visit to Gosch's Paddock

Definitely, it's not easy to land a job these days......

Especially when you turn up to the interview on a scooter

[Whispering_Jack 30,756]

Definitely, it's not easy to land a job these days......

Especially when you turn up to the interview on a scooter

Could it be a scooter manufacturing outfit?

[chook fowler 19,600]

Congrats Saty. Hope it works out well for you.

[Cards13 9,117]

Congrats Saty.

[Gorgoroth 13,061]

Good luck mate.

[demon3165 2,808]

Stretch is playing. You got your wish.

I hope he proves me very wrong, and you very right this Sunday.

I can see your point of view on Stretch, but this game will be ideally suited for him seeing the saints have a lot of young ones to, Roos it seems has changed his attitude on the playing list, and wants players who will at least try to play the style he wants and I think this will be done for the remainder of the year.

[daisycutter 29,760]

well done and good luck, saty

[The Devil Inside 2,147]

Definitely, it's not easy to land a job these days......

Especially when you turn up to the interview on a scooter

The scoot is a good selling point, it shows I am a well balanced individual

One of the questions was "demonstrate how you can handle a difficult situation, can be either real or imagined", I said I am a semi regular contributor to Demonland", they said "the job is yours"

Edited June 13, 2015 by The Devil Inside

[The Devil Inside 2,147]

I am almost reluctant to ask but given that Toumpas and JW are mentioned what about the rest of the squad.

If you watched last night Port andCats played at an intensity that would be foreign to most of our squad.

While it might be pleasing that Roos bellowed at them at one stage (reported by TDI) the players running around within their own comfort zonemaynotbe the best training. I have a lot of faith in Roos, the coaching team and the players but have seen them fail to impose and react to pressure. They need to learn this and apply their fitness and skill under pressure.

Was there an appreciable level of intensity at this training session?

No training is about carrying out a task/role/skill over and over until it becomes second nature, then when the pressure comes you can still carry it out, we are getting there, Roos gave himself three years, it is only year 2, out best is a lot better, he is working on the worst, his pet peeve is players not listening, you will see Plapp mention 'coachable' and 'listens' in his reviews. We have a realy good coaching panel now, if the players listen to it we will get somewhere. When Roos bellowed, he and Goodwin had spent a couple of minutes explaining something, the players ignored it, not surprised he went off

Edited June 13, 2015 by The Devil Inside

[hardtack 10,662]

The scoot is a good selling point, it shows I am a well balanced individual

One of the questions was "demonstrate how you can handle a difficult situation, can be either real or imagined", I said I am a semi regular contributor to Demonland", they said "the job is yours"

Is it true you got the job as head masseur to ProDee's ego?

[Redleg 41,629]

Good luck Saty and hope it goes well for you.

[stuie 7,374]

I am almost reluctant to ask but given that Toumpas and JW are mentioned what about the rest of the squad.

If you watched last night Port andCats played at an intensity that would be foreign to most of our squad.

While it might be pleasing that Roos bellowed at them at one stage (reported by TDI) the players running around within their own comfort zonemaynotbe the best training. I have a lot of faith in Roos, the coaching team and the players but have seen them fail to impose and react to pressure. They need to learn this and apply their fitness and skill under pressure.

Was there an appreciable level of intensity at this training session?

6 day break, likely a fairly light week.

[dpositive 1,744]

No training is about carrying out a task/role/skill over and over until it becomes second nature, then when the pressure comes you can still carry it out, we are getting there, Roos gave himself three years, it is only year 2, out best is a lot better, he is working on the worst, his pet peeve is players not listening, you will see Plapp mention 'coachable' and 'listens' in his reviews. We have a realy good coaching panel now, if the players listen to it we will get somewhere. When Roos bellowed, he and Goodwin had spent a couple of minutes explaining something, the players ignored it, not surprised he went off

Thanks TDI Congrats on the job

Hope it still allows you time to continue to provide the odd bit of inside info from training.

While I agree with the repetition producing instinctive action, it is also essential that this action be instinctive under pressure,

I see our players with the skill but not the ability to maintain pressure and therefore to become used to that pressure.

Their roles and tasks cant be that bloody difficult to learn they are full time professional footballers

Applying the role in the pressure cooker of a match is certainly the distinction

So I guess there is still not a lot of intensity if one Roos bellow is noted as out of the ordinary.

I have seen other comments about last nights match and I despair that our players are ever going to be able to match that without real intensive training pressure.

[jnrmac 20,189]

Yep, but my point is that manning him up would have been counterproductive.

He takes more intercept marks in our fwd line than we collectively took in our own fwd line and you don't think he should have been manned up?

Your football IQ has just been marked down about 97% IMO.

[Webber 10,551]

Thanks for that information

Can any of the physios who post here give us some idea about hamstring rehabilitation, both with and without surgery. I guess there must be all grades from a slight tweak to the full Monty like Kent and FIGJAM.

All hamstrings are minimum 3 weeks. A tweak is still a tear, 3 weeks absolute earliest return, and the recovery is upwards from there. Surgery is either a reattachment of the tendon to the bone (high, in the bum) and is minimum 2 months, but usually more. Otherwise, the new trend is to stick a stitch or two in certain belly/tendon tears to facilitate a scarring response. The theory is to minimise recurrence on account of more appropriately aggressive scarring. The jury is out however on whether this will truly affect recurrence rates. The issue really with hammies is the significant decrease in recurrence potential with each extra week out. There's a growing trend that pushing to 6 weeks rest where possible (list depth, relative importance of player) is a long term winner. Recurrent hamstrings are bad news.

[Vagg 2,449]

I must have missed something. What's the job, TDI???

[jimcor 212]

I am almost reluctant to ask but given that Toumpas and JW are mentioned what about the rest of the squad.

If you watched last night Port andCats played at an intensity that would be foreign to most of our squad.

While it might be pleasing that Roos bellowed at them at one stage (reported by TDI) the players running around within their own comfort zonemaynotbe the best training. I have a lot of faith in Roos, the coaching team and the players but have seen them fail to impose and react to pressure. They need to learn this and apply their fitness and skill under pressure.

Was there an appreciable level of intensity at this training session?

I hesitate to comment but I think it's impossible to judge intensity at training. Harry O always seems to go at 110% but I don't think the others match his approach.....I'm not even sure if it's necessary given the consequences if someone is injured during training. At the end of the day, match day performance is the ultimate (and only) indicator. What I liked about seeing JT & JW practising 'crashing' packs was the recognition that repetition is a significant part of learning and that these players still need to be taught. Maybe one of them can be turned into the midfield general that we desperately need when the chips are down.

[monoccular 17,596]

All hamstrings are minimum 3 weeks. A tweak is still a tear, 3 weeks absolute earliest return, and the recovery is upwards from there. Surgery is either a reattachment of the tendon to the bone (high, in the bum) and is minimum 2 months, but usually more. Otherwise, the new trend is to stick a stitch or two in certain belly/tendon tears to facilitate a scarring response. The theory is to minimise recurrence on account of more appropriately aggressive scarring. The jury is out however on whether this will truly affect recurrence rates. The issue really with hammies is the significant decrease in recurrence potential with each extra week out. There's a growing trend that pushing to 6 weeks rest where possible (list depth, relative importance of player) is a long term winner. Recurrent hamstrings are bad news.

Thanks BBQ

And I guess when finals are out of the question then an even more conservative approach is sensible.